What is your understanding of these messages?
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Google translation
Verse" means signs and symptoms, learn and remember, miracles, the wonder, and is reasoning
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Generalizations usually distort the true perception of the word.
The basic perception infolded in the Root is that of any physical mark, indications, or signs which one can perceive and save in memory with reference to its surroundings and dimensions. . This word at its own does not mean learning and remember. It causes the initiation of process of learning and remembering, provided one focuses on the physical dimensions of "Ayat" and its relationship to others.What is mentioned at the end in Persian is not correct, as already mentioned that this word neither means proof nor evidence; rather it refers only to such thing that can be evidenced/watched/observed-demonstrated and thus perceived and lead one to take heed. And evidently consonants of any language and digits are not proof or evidence of anything.
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Generalizations usually distort the true perception of the word.
The basic perception infolded in the Root is that of any physical mark, indications, or signs which one can perceive and save in memory with reference to its surroundings and dimensions. .You see that you have no choice unless use those definitions,
So tell us which of those fits into those messages.?This word at its own does not mean learning and remember. It causes the initiation of process of learning and remembering
That is exactly code 19 does
, provided one focuses on the physical dimensions of "Ayat" and its relationship to others.
Great, just for one time focus into superhuman textual numerical interlocking system is embedded into letters to secure and preserve it.
What is mentioned at the end in Persian is not correct,
If the author knows i used that for supporting God's Miracle he may remove it because believing in Miracle means end to all those man made ideas in Hadith and then loosing all reputation and respect by upper and lower levels.
It is svery difficult for people grown up with parent belief blindly to reject those man made traditional practices as Sunni or Shia or Christine and Jew and all other corrupted religions.
All you can do to be saved is to stay away from this area as God is watching us closely what we do and what we say and He knows our innermost thought. Learn from Ahmed Deedat that wrote such book and when changed his mind he could not deny the fact and he lost his voice to end of life.
If you accept that those letters are clearly with so many evidences every day I know you years of your works which we see part of it in your site could be damaged badly.as already mentioned that this word neither means proof nor evidence;
Your explanation contradict this, read your own understanding.
rather it refers only to such thing that can be evidenced/watched/observed-demonstrated and thus perceived and lead one to take heed.
All you need is there but needs a mind free from parents belief and a hear free of hate and prejudice. I am of many that has been lead and taken heed just by such Miracle for the path of God Alone Quran Alone.
And evidently consonants of any language and digits are not proof or evidence of anything.
Your denial is based of your false learning and is not late to repent and study Miracle closely, If GW then you can witness it.
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What is mentioned at the end in Persian is not correct,
If the author knows i used that for supporting God's Miracle he may remove it because believing in Miracle means end to all those man made ideas in Hadith and then loosing all reputation and respect by upper and lower levels.
It is svery difficult for people grown up with parent belief blindly to reject those man made traditional practices as Sunni or Shia or Christine and Jew and all other corrupted religions.
All you can do to be saved is to stay away from this area as God is watching us closely what we do and what we say and He knows our innermost thought. Learn from Ahmed Deedat that wrote such book and when changed his mind he could not deny the fact and he lost his voice to end of life.
If you accept that those letters are clearly with so many evidences every day I know you years of your works which we see part of it in your site could be damaged badly.Quote
as already mentioned that this word neither means proof nor evidence;Your explanation contradict this, read your own understanding.
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rather it refers only to such thing that can be evidenced/watched/observed-demonstrated and thus perceived and lead one to take heed.
All you need is there but needs a mind free from parents belief and a hear free of hate and prejudice. I am of many that has been lead and taken heed just by such Miracle for the path of God Alone Quran Alone.Quote
And evidently consonants of any language and digits are not proof or evidence of anything.
Your denial is based of your false learning and is not late to repent and study Miracle closely, If GW then you can witness it.
Tomorrow is late.Pl read it again and try to find any sense therein, you will find nothing but studpity confounded.
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Pl read it again and try to find any sense therein, you will find nothing but studpity confounded.
All ican say you and people like you grown up in brain washing system to slave human abusing name of God and Quran hence you kiss black stone and believe God reside in that black building and radiate light. You are done and you are fossil, all your brain is covered and locked with life time false h learning and can not understand clear and crystal meaning of word of Ayah, you reject even Sunnis burhan.com translation and shia scholars or may write to them to change to your own desire to save your false works for years . such truth can end your empire of bloodshed based on 2 fabricated verses in chapter 9
You are fighting to God not me and Rashad which all is to bring your attention to reality because you do not care about billion naive and oppressed people and all you are doing is to keep your position and stand like god and feed innocent and uninformed masses toward your own desires and understanding.
You are locked badly into your own shell of thinking which reject clear meaning of Ayah and try to explain it when you have no choice to use those words to explain it which i colored for you but seem you are deaf and blind and only thing is your false Shahada and radiating light form stone and mud .
Complete your home page by adding a picture of yours like this one.
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The issue under discussion is about the meanings of word which neither means PEOOF nor Evidence. When 19er fail to defend the naked cheating and fraud of their idol Rashad Khalifa they start indulging in stupid gimmics.
Talk about your thread.
Are you Shia or Sunni?
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Are you Shia or Sunni?
Neither Shia, nor Sunni, nor designate as Quranist, nor 19er submitter; but I designate myself as Staunch Muslim, believer and follower of Umta Ibrahim hanifa, who believe in and pursue nothing but the Word of Allah as communicated and conveyed through verbal narration permanently recorded in Grand Qur'aan in explicit words.
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Neither Shia, nor Sunni, nor designate as Quranist, nor 19er submitter; but I designate myself as Staunch Muslim, believer and follower of Umta Ibrahim hanifa, who believe in and pursue nothing but the Word of Allah as communicated and conveyed through verbal narration permanently recorded in Grand Qur'aan in explicit words.
I see you are hiding your idolization too like the meaning of Ayah )
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There is another sub cult under your idolized belief) Muslim are those that follow 319 not fabricated 9128 129 -
Rashad Khalifa has already befooled you to an extent that even the plain explanation is beyond your comprehension. Burry Rashad Khalifa by removing his idol from your brain, you will perhaps start understanding what Islam and Muslim mean.
Neither Shia, nor Sunni, nor designate as Quranist, nor 19er submitter; but I designate myself as Staunch Muslim, believer and follower of Umta Ibrahim hanifa, who believe in and pursue nothing but the Word of Allah as communicated and conveyed through verbal narration permanently recorded in Grand Qur'aan in explicit words.
But you say that follow the stupid and deceptive assertions of Rashad Khalifa to become a submitter and guided as is claim of others likewise.
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And they said "Be a Jew or Christian; you people would be guided"http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.105.gif
You, the Messenger pronounce; "No, that is not the way to get guided; on the contrary the fact is that adopting incessantly the path/way of life/community of Iebra'heim, the ever Sincere/ever upright, lets one guided.Word by Word analysis
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Rashad Khalifa has already befooled you to an extent that even the plain explanation is beyond your comprehension. Burry Rashad Khalifa by removing his idol from your brain, you will perhaps start understanding what Islam and Muslim mean.
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Typical Mohammedan like your mathematician laugh same verse fit his name in Master Tablet fit you when you act such ignorance disturbed showing the truth to you
Why you are such disturbed when i expose your lies . Look at table and see where you are..?
Are you blind ?
Do you see where is Islam? and where you are?
have you read this without your prejudice and false learning from childhood.But you say that follow the stupid and deceptive assertions of Rashad Khalifa to become a submitter and guided as is claim of others likewise.
Where I followed Rashad uless his path Giod Alone Quran Alone. but his discovery is not his work is creation of God, he was believeing like you in one of those sub cults for 40 years and then God loved him when inspired him to reveal csecret code of 7 pairs which clearly says evidence, sign, proof, explaining, and you are locked into your shell due to 6 decay brainwashing and if GW you will witness greatness of God and His existence by those embedded numbers in the whole book
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And they said "Be a Jew or Christian; you people would be guided"http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.105.gif
You, the Messenger pronounce; "No, that is not the way to get guided; on the contrary the fact is that adopting incessantly the path/way of life/community of Iebra'heim, the ever Sincere/ever upright, lets one guided.Word by Word analysis
God's messages has bee same all the time but human has changed all the time and Christian and Jews have their own corrupted divisions and cults.
Unless Jesus which was born Muslim no other one has bee God's messenger or prophet since birth and followed what their parent believed like you.
If you were born in other place with different belief to day you were defending your parents belief which none of those are right and are corrupted like yours. .
If this Giod's Miracle can change a person like me as atheist to a believer and supporting God's words in only preserved scripture Quran then when you and other should be disturbed.
The reality is that you are disturbed about your job, your position, your pay when billion and dollars dollars of nation taxes are spend on Hadith and none sense schools, scholars, masques and ...................................................
and finally all these teaching are so corrupted that you symbolize it and your students symbolize it daily in the news.I feel sad to see people like you mislead and misinformed and all your knowledge and energy in Satanic path which is following IDOLS .
All I can say is repent before be late, tomorrow is late.
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If this Giod's Miracle can change a person like me as atheist to a believer and supporting God's words in only preserved scripture Quran then when you and other should be disturbed.
An atheist would be better off at the end than Rashad Khalifa since he was a Munafiq and the end of Munafiq is the worst.
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Greetings and peace to all group
Do you believe that only Allah should judge another person? hmm
I recall reading in AQ something regarding no compulsion...and somewhere else in AQ (please forgive the paraphrase) that "you to your beliefs and me to mine." In truth, we all wait. Patiently, right? yes
Let us come together on what we agree...and perhaps compete regarding good works!
AQ 569 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Greetings and peace to all group
Do you believe that only Allah should judge another person? hmm
I recall reading in AQ something regarding no compulsion...and somewhere else in AQ (please forgive the paraphrase) that "you to your beliefs and me to mine." In truth, we all wait. Patiently, right? yes
Let us come together on what we agree...and perhaps compete regarding good works!
AQ 569 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
Peace , welcome and thank you for your comment.
If you read the first page of this topic I am asking clear an crystal question to find the truth. But as susaul my question is not answered in right manner when they change topic to accuse Miracle believers, They wished God never author those letters which is heavy destruction to their idolized belief , i believe that verse that your s yours and mine mine is about people talk about different scripture when we talk about Quran and any doubt should be cleared.
What stops Mazhar and his supporter from accepting the truth relates to many things that should be sacrificed specially
if they are acting like a scholar and clergy, the moment they accept the truth they loose many thing and may their life too as Rashad did.
Dear here is not mine and yours . this is our all humanity, let us do search and find the turh peacefully and without any harsh words and accusations.
If you know good Arabic then please tell us what is your understanding of those letters?
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A.L.R. These (letters) are the proofs of this book of wisdom.
I gave the straight reply that the word neither means proof nor evidence. And then quoted you this to prove to you that Rashad Khalifa was a cheat player.
Rashad Khalifa was the cheat of the century. He befooled those who do not wish to learn even elementary information about Arabic and get fascinated playing with digits.
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This is first sentence of 2252. Rashad Khalifa translates it as under
"These are God's revelations. We recite them through you*, truthfully,Now see this and try to find a variation with the above, what to say of a word, even that of a single vowel.
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This is the first sentence of 3108. Rashad Khalifa translates it as under
"These are God's revelations; we recite them to you, truthfully,
Here he did not put the star mark and converted "We" to "we" and "forgot to insert himself here by inserting "through you" and instead used "to you".
And now see another one and try to find a variation with the above two, what to say of a word, even that of a single vowel.
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This is the first sentence of 4506. Rashad Khalifa translates it as under
"These are God's revelations that we recite to you, truthfully,
Here again he did not put the star mark and converted "We" to "we" and "forgot to insert himself here by inserting "through you" and instead used "to you".
Above is the proof of his cheating.
And when you did not find any answer/explanation to rebut and defend Rashad Khalifa, you started playing dirty tricks and remarks, as is the usual habit of 19ers.
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I gave the straight reply
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Google translation
"Verse" the word means Nshanhast
Neshan Sign
Hast isNumber of Qur'an verses
Number of verses of the disputed issues between the villages of Islam is the village of Medina cultivars six thousand and 214 to have lost, villages Mecca of Verses 6219, villages Dinner 6225 and the village of Basra 6024 and the villages of Kufa 6236 have said. important due to differences in counting the Quran is the Prophet of Islam in order to make people aware of all the verse being, was dedicated at the end of the verse, but sometimes due to more integration, it would connect the two together would continue and no endowment. Result in the illusion that connect people appeared, all being marked discontinuity and not verse. And the number of comments the Quran and hadith, and every sect and group Rvayaty by experts on the other had a preference narratives they mentioned a specific number, so that different narratives that caused the different numbers Maki, civil , Kofi, visual and dinner was in the number of verses.
so which Quran ?
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Do you accept Sign?
I had given you the detailed description of the word;
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It neither means PROOF nor EVIDENCE.
Its Root is . The basic perception infolded in the Root is that of any physical mark, indications, or signs which one can perceive and save in memory with reference to its surroundings and dimensions. And what is achieved is bit of information. Nothing can be perceived and stored in memory without relating it to something else. And everything has two aspects, one apparent and visible perceivable through vision, and the other is invisible but integral part of that thing. Therefore this Root signifies any apparent thing inseparable from a thing not equally apparent so that when one perceives the former he perceives the other to a certain extent which he cannot otherwise perceive.
This is the visual side of learning knowledge. The other source of knowing and perceiving things is verbal. When the creator of a thing, who knows absolutely the visible and invisible aspect of that thing, verbally narrates about that thing, such verbal statement is "Ayat" in the true sense of the word.
Anything not visible to eyes or made to be perceived through verbal communication is NOT "ayat". Hearing and vision are the two basic faculties of acquiring information/knowledge.
and He will cause to show to your eyes His demonstrative physical signs so that you people may conveniently save in memory/differentiate/reflect/ponder and analyze".
See what are
Zakaria said," My Sustainer Lord! appoint for me some visible mark of cognition". He told him, "the mark of cognition for you is that you will not be able to talk to people for three days except by signaling.
How Allah will prove the authenticity and infallibility of Qur'aan to the people?
Do you think such an important matter was left for a cheat like Rashad Khalifa?
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Pl read it again and try to find any sense therein, you will find nothing but studpity confounded.
I notice that you are avoiding to replace any meaning and you knw well why ? )
Now tell us how much you know about burning the Origianl Quran.
Why was burnt?
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Now tell us how much you know about burning the Origianl Quran.
Why was burnt?The same reason they would burn your non standards conforming and erroneous writing.