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What is your understanding of these messages?

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    Bahman
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    Greetings and peace to all group

    Do you believe that only Allah should judge another person? hmm

    I recall reading in AQ something regarding no compulsion...and somewhere else in AQ (please forgive the paraphrase) that "you to your beliefs and me to mine." In truth, we all wait. Patiently, right? yes

    Let us come together on what we agree...and perhaps compete regarding good works!

    AQ 569 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.

    peace

    ~Abdul-Hadi

    Peace , welcome and thank you for your comment.

    If you read the first page of this topic I am asking clear an crystal question to find the truth. But as susaul my question is not answered in right manner when they change topic to accuse Miracle believers, They wished God never author those letters which is heavy destruction to their idolized belief , i believe that verse that your s yours and mine mine is about people talk about different scripture when we talk about Quran and any doubt should be cleared.

    What stops Mazhar and his supporter from accepting the truth relates to many things that should be sacrificed specially
    if they are acting like a scholar and clergy, the moment they accept the truth they loose many thing and may their life too as Rashad did.
    Dear here is not mine and yours . this is our all humanity, let us do search and find the turh peacefully and without any harsh words and accusations.
    If you know good Arabic then please tell us what is your understanding of those letters?
    Peace.

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      Mazhar
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      A.L.R. These (letters) are the proofs of this book of wisdom.

      I gave the straight reply that the word neither means proof nor evidence. And then quoted you this to prove to you that Rashad Khalifa was a cheat player.

      Rashad Khalifa was the cheat of the century. He befooled those who do not wish to learn even elementary information about Arabic and get fascinated playing with digits.

      http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.252p.gif

      This is first sentence of 2252. Rashad Khalifa translates it as under
      "These are God's revelations. We recite them through you*, truthfully,

      Now see this and try to find a variation with the above, what to say of a word, even that of a single vowel.

      http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/3.108p.gif

      This is the first sentence of 3108. Rashad Khalifa translates it as under

      "These are God's revelations; we recite them to you, truthfully,

      Here he did not put the star mark and converted "We" to "we" and "forgot to insert himself here by inserting "through you" and instead used "to you".

      And now see another one and try to find a variation with the above two, what to say of a word, even that of a single vowel.

      http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/045.%20Al%20Jasiata/Temp%2001%2045.06.gif

      This is the first sentence of 4506. Rashad Khalifa translates it as under

      "These are God's revelations that we recite to you, truthfully,

      Here again he did not put the star mark and converted "We" to "we" and "forgot to insert himself here by inserting "through you" and instead used "to you".

      Above is the proof of his cheating.

      And when you did not find any answer/explanation to rebut and defend Rashad Khalifa, you started playing dirty tricks and remarks, as is the usual habit of 19ers.

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        Bahman
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        I gave the straight reply

        http//fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%DB%8C%D9%87
        Google translation
        "Verse" the word means Nshanhast
        Neshan Sign
        Hast is

        Number of Qur'an verses

        Number of verses of the disputed issues between the villages of Islam is the village of Medina cultivars six thousand and 214 to have lost, villages Mecca of Verses 6219, villages Dinner 6225 and the village of Basra 6024 and the villages of Kufa 6236 have said. important due to differences in counting the Quran is the Prophet of Islam in order to make people aware of all the verse being, was dedicated at the end of the verse, but sometimes due to more integration, it would connect the two together would continue and no endowment. Result in the illusion that connect people appeared, all being marked discontinuity and not verse. And the number of comments the Quran and hadith, and every sect and group Rvayaty by experts on the other had a preference narratives they mentioned a specific number, so that different narratives that caused the different numbers Maki, civil , Kofi, visual and dinner was in the number of verses.

        so which Quran ?

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          Mazhar
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          "Verse" the word means Nshanhast
          Neshan Sign

          In the end even in Persian you have ended up that Ayat does not mean "proof" or "evidence". What else I have been telling you?

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            Bahman
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            In the end even in Persian you have ended up that Ayat does not mean "proof" or "evidence". What else I have been telling you?

            Do you accept Sign?

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              Mazhar
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              Do you accept Sign?

              I had given you the detailed description of the word;

              http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.039/1.Aayatena%20Alif%20Ya%20Ya/6.gif singular-plural http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.039/1.Aayatena%20Alif%20Ya%20Ya/8.gif

              It neither means PROOF nor EVIDENCE.

              Its Root is . The basic perception infolded in the Root is that of any physical mark, indications, or signs which one can perceive and save in memory with reference to its surroundings and dimensions. And what is achieved is bit of information. Nothing can be perceived and stored in memory without relating it to something else. And everything has two aspects, one apparent and visible perceivable through vision, and the other is invisible but integral part of that thing. Therefore this Root signifies any apparent thing inseparable from a thing not equally apparent so that when one perceives the former he perceives the other to a certain extent which he cannot otherwise perceive.

              This is the visual side of learning knowledge. The other source of knowing and perceiving things is verbal. When the creator of a thing, who knows absolutely the visible and invisible aspect of that thing, verbally narrates about that thing, such verbal statement is "Ayat" in the true sense of the word.

              Anything not visible to eyes or made to be perceived through verbal communication is NOT "ayat". Hearing and vision are the two basic faculties of acquiring information/knowledge.

              and He will cause to show to your eyes His demonstrative physical signs so that you people may conveniently save in memory/differentiate/reflect/ponder and analyze".

              See what are

              Zakaria said," My Sustainer Lord! appoint for me some visible mark of cognition". He told him, "the mark of cognition for you is that you will not be able to talk to people for three days except by signaling.

              How Allah will prove the authenticity and infallibility of Qur'aan to the people?

              Do you think such an important matter was left for a cheat like Rashad Khalifa?

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                Bahman
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                Pl read it again and try to find any sense therein, you will find nothing but studpity confounded.

                I notice that you are avoiding to replace any meaning and you knw well why ? )
                Now tell us how much you know about burning the Origianl Quran.
                Why was burnt?
                Peace )

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                  unknownuser
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                  Now tell us how much you know about burning the Origianl Quran.
                  Why was burnt?

                  The same reason they would burn your non standards conforming and erroneous writing.

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                    Mazhar
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                    I notice that you are avoiding to replace any meaning and you knw well why ?

                    Are you colour blind? Meanings are goven in the posts. Why cant you see that? Perhaps digits of RK are all around your eyes which does not let you see the words of the Book.

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                      Bahman
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                      The same reason they would burn your non standards conforming and erroneous writing.

                      Oh, all of you Parroting your ancestors laugh

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                        Bahman
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                        I notice that you are avoiding to replace any meaning and you knw well why ?
                        Are you colour blind? Meanings are goven in the posts. Why cant you see that? Perhaps digits of RK are all around your eyes which does not let you see the words of the Book.

                        Sorry I have missed it where ?
                        Would you insert your word in following open space or running away avoiding my question just fill up one word you think is right.
                        A.L.R. These (letters) are the ..... of this book of wisdom.

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                          Mazhar
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                          Sorry I have missed it where ?
                          Would you insert your word in following open space or running away avoiding my question just fill up one word you think is right.
                          A.L.R. These (letters) are the ..... of this book of wisdom.

                          First open your eyes, and remove (letters) so that you could perceive what has alredy been narrated in detail, and may be, if you know a little bit of Arabic, you might notice how stupid and cheat was Rashad Khalifa that he deliberately forgot that a singular demonstrative pronoun does not refer back to something plural-three consonants.

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                            Bahman
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                            First open your eyes, and remove (letters) so that you could perceive what has alredy been narrated in detail, and may be, if you know a little bit of Arabic, you might notice how stupid and cheat was Rashad Khalifa that he deliberately forgot that a singular demonstrative pronoun does not refer back to something plural-three consonants.

                            Leave that dead man away and do your home work . what is your simple translation of these,keep all those Sunni/Hanify scholarly for yourself, the people on this screen are not knowledgeable like you and do not know Arabic.

                            Write your understanding; for this message please in English or stay away from this topic you are wasting readers time.

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                              loxbox13
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                              All ican say you and people like you grown up in brain washing system to slave human abusing name of God and Quran hence you kiss black stone and believe God reside in that black building and radiate light. You are done and you are fossil, all your brain is covered and locked with life time false h learning and can not understand clear and crystal meaning of word of Ayah, you reject even Sunnis burhan.com translation and shia scholars or may write to them to change to your own desire to save your false works for years . such truth can end your empire of bloodshed based on 2 fabricated verses in chapter 9

                              You are fighting to God not me and Rashad which all is to bring your attention to reality because you do not care about billion naive and oppressed people and all you are doing is to keep your position and stand like god and feed innocent and uninformed masses toward your own desires and understanding.

                              You are locked badly into your own shell of thinking which reject clear meaning of Ayah and try to explain it when you have no choice to use those words to explain it which i colored for you but seem you are deaf and blind and only thing is your false Shahada and radiating light form stone and mud .
                              Complete your home page by adding a picture of yours like this one.
                              http//ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/42553621_mashaalap416.jpg
                              I refuge into God avoiding Satan

                              I was reading the conversation between u and mazhar, this is the probleme and what i can't understand, Mazhar was Talking with verses, u were talking with codes, and when he prouved to u that rashad khalifa is SATAN himself disguised in a sheep skin.
                              Rashad wanted to be a messenger or a prophet, he succeded for a years, most false prophets dies a year after they claim the prophecy and they die with the curse they invoke the most

                              a false prophet in the 17 century was talking about colera, between him and those who don't believe in him, a year later he dies with cholera

                              Rashad khalifa was talking in every video about if peophet mohamed added anything to the revelation, god would have cutt of his artery, well, guess what, a year later his artery was cutt off
                              why is that ? prophet mohamed when he came, he left a muslim ouma, when jesus came he left all bani israel muslims, when dabid and solomon came, prosperity came, when moses came, he saved a nation from tyrany,
                              what did khalifa do ? create a sect.
                              u can't see it because you're inside of it
                              The man in the picture is kissing the blak stone, it represents code19 for him

                              PLEASE CAN U SHOW ME IN THE QURAN ANY MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT ? i see only messengers of god , only

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                                Bahman
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                                this is the probleme and what i can't understand, Mazhar was Talking with verses, u were talking with codes,

                                Are you ok? you are not on any medication or drug. Where I talk code iam asking just simply to translate the verse and he like you his heart is beating with his idol not God and avoiding to insert any word .

                                PLEASE CAN U SHOW ME IN THE QURAN ANY MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT ? i see only messengers of god , only

                                I notice you have not study Quran carefully 381
                                GOD took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."
                                Here is my discovery for his name merges into verse digits
                                and here is his solid proof for his claim when no human can create same another table without be inspired by God.
                                Please do little search and find all your question which has been answered her many times saving time for everybody and do rush to post unless you be sure of your saying 1736 )

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                                  Are you ok? you are not on any medication or drug. Where I talk code iam asking just simply to translate the verse and he like you his heart is beating with his idol not God and avoiding to insert any word .

                                  I notice you have not study Quran carefully 381
                                  GOD took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."
                                  Here is my discovery for his name merges into verse digits
                                  and here is his solid proof for his claim when no human can create same another table without be inspired by God.
                                  Please do little search and find all your question which has been answered her many times saving time for everybody and do rush to post unless you be sure of your saying 1736 &nbsp

                                  Rashad
                                  =505
                                  505381=19x26599

                                  Not divisible by 7 and let's apply it to...

                                  (the ignorant) (Bahman)

                                  381 130315301050 254050 = 19 x 20059490279002644950

                                  In your discovery word nineteen (and you must help him) has wrong value ?

                                  381
                                  617001600700 130305 4010500100 1305021050 30401 11400104002040 4050 204002 6820405 500403112040
                                  2006063040904100 30401 40702040 304006405050 25 63040053090200505 100130 1110020020040040
                                  6160070040040 703010700302040 19020010 10013061110020020050110013080130054616 150140702040 4050 130300541050
                                  505

                                  Therefore it's all about you ?

                                  381

                                  381
                                  617001600700 130305 4010500100 1305021050 30401 11400104002040 4050 204002 6820405 500403112040
                                  2006063040904100 30401 40702040 304006405050 25 6304005090200505 100130 1110020020040040
                                  6160070040040 703010700302040 19020010 10013061110020020050110013080130054616 150140702040 4050 130300541050
                                  130315301050 254050
                                  = 19 x ?!

                                  miracle verifier http//markknowsnothing.com/cgi-bin/calculator.php

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    (the ignorant) (Bahman)

                                    Those who are emotionally obsessed resulting in placing a shackle around intellect that makes them blind to see and perceive simple facts, emotions are strong to an extent that they do not permit to get into their minds what has been explained in simple and straight manner.

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                                      mmkhan
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                                      Salaam all,

                                      GOD took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."

                                      Well... thanks for clearing it 381

                                      381

                                      381 And when Allah took a covenant from the prophets For what I have given you of the Book and wisdom, then a messenger will come to you authenticating what is with you. You will believe in him and support him. He said Do you testify, and agree to this burden? They said We testify. He said Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness.

                                      Covenant was taken by Allah from The Prophets, saying that when a messenger will come TO YOU...

                                      It was at the time of The Prophets, not after 1400 years. Right?

                                      May Allah guide us all towards the truth. pr
                                      Mohammed M. Khan

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                                        Asana
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                                        Salam mmkhan

                                        It was at the time of The Prophets, not after 1400 years. Right? Covenant was taken by Allah from The Prophets, saying that when a messenger will come TO YOU...

                                        God took the descendant of Adam as witness to His Unity, how many years took you to come to this world? One billion, 2 or 3 or what?

                                        Please reflect on below verse

                                        Recall that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam, and had them bear witness for themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They all said, "Yes. We bear witness." Thus, you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, "We were not aware of this."

                                        Asana

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                                          Bahman
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                                          (the ignorant) (Bahman)

                                          Any body name can be adjusted to have a multiple but who was inspired to reveal secret of Seven pairs. You,,your teachers, scholars, imams, shaikhs me . Of course accept that Hanifi scholar and you or anybody design such table then that is different.
                                          Go do your home work and find how Rashad`designed such table which no human can imitate itm by the way do not use band witch for nonsense
                                          Show readers where you are in this table, When i asked Mazhar he hide that his cult is second hand of idolization when is sub cul of sunnis how about you where is your staniding/ Pure Sunni or sub cult too.?

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