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    loxbox13
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    Salaam dear Mohammed,

    Can u show me salat maghrin in the quran, and what makes it sunset ? and not before or not in the sun touches the horizon but exactly and the sun is set !
    than i might believe what you're saying
    I want to see sunset time pray, clear,
    And can u answae me why didn't rashad khalfa see any 5 times in the quran, he always say he get it from Abraham , can u explain maybe rashad doesn't understand the quran after all,, a messenger of god who has no clue about times for salat in the revelaton

    and last, did u read this explanation in arabic of ? it is not a hadith explanation, it is a quran by the quran, u don't know better than the quran

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      mmkhan
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      Salaam dear Pierre,

      Thanks for your detail reply.

      "Salawat", in the context of the Quran and how God outlined FIVE Salaat times refers to FIVE prayers, including the 'Asr prayer. "Salaat al Wusta" could have been called "Salaat al 'Asr" but God chose to refer to it as "the Middle prayer" of all others, and to insist on the importance to remember God even during the 'Asr Quranic time frame time, which is a time frame of high activity for most people around the world, and because the goal of Salaat is to remember God (2014) at all times, especially in the specific Quranic time frames that he allocated with his divine science.

      As you said, Allah would have said "Salaat AlAsr" as He already said Salaat AlFajr and Salaat AlEshaan. And you did not answer by question in my above post bro.

      As per 4103, Salaats are at specific times. So, what are they? And where are they written?

      Salaat + AlFajr - 2458 = Salaat at time of AlFajr
      Salaat + AlEshaan - 2458 = Salaat at the time of AlEshaan

      AlSalaat + AlWusta - 2238 = Salaat at middle/or you want to translate it?

      Is AlFajr a time? = yes
      Is AlEshaan a time? = yes

      Is AlWusta a time? = nope

      Because "Salaat al 'Asr" is refered to as the "middle prayer", God gave us a crucial information proving that the total number of daily prayers is an odd number since there cannot possibly be a middle prayer with an even number like 2 or 4.

      Where did you get this brother, can you please explain me with aayaats?

      The procedure that I follow for Salaat is the procedure of the Quran.

      But you are mixing Salaat, Dua, Tasbeeh, etc... all together in Salaat.

      Allah said everything very clearly, as I saw your article , I found it more confusing because of a mixture of Salaat, Dua and Tasbeeh.

      May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
      Mohammed M. Khan

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        6619
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        Can u show me salat maghrin in the quran, and what makes it sunset ? and not before or not in the sun touches the horizon but exactly and the sun is set !
        than i might believe what you're saying
        I want to see sunset time pray, clear,
        And can u answae me why didn't rashad khalfa see any 5 times in the quran, he always say he get it from Abraham , can u explain maybe rashad doesn't understand the quran after all,, a messenger of god who has no clue about times for salat in the revelaton

        and last, did u read this explanation in arabic of ? it is not a hadith explanation, it is a quran by the quran, u don't know better than the quran

        Salaam,

        The time for Salaat al maghrib is detailed here

        1. Sunset (visual disappearance of the sun until the end of twilight)
          Quranic time frame (921) And the night (layl) as it is spreading. ( = imperfect tense action in the process = there is still light in the sky, the sun cannot be seen visually in the sky anymore as the night has appeared).
          Salaat time
          (11114) And observe (O Muhammad) the ritual prayer ( &#1614 at both extremities of the daylight ( &#1616, and (&#1608 in the early watches of the night ( verily good deeds repel evil deeds. This is a reminder for those who celebrate (their Lord).

        (20130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun ( &#1616 and before its disappearance ( &#1575, as well as from the (first) hours of the night ( &#1604, and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the extremities of the daylight ( &#1616, that you may be content.

        • The limit between the Afternoon and Sunset prayers is ?the (complete) disappearance of the sun? ( &#1575. Once the sun has completely disappeared visually in the sky at sea level, it is time for the Sunset prayer, not one second or one minute before.

        The same type of explanation can be done for all Five daily prayers, we simply need to understand the notion of Quranic time frames.

        Peace.

        Pierre

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          Salaam dear Pierre,

          Thanks for your detail reply.
          As you said, Allah would have said "Salaat AlAsr" as He already said Salaat AlFajr and Salaat AlEshaan. And you did not answer by question in my above post bro.

          As per 4103, Salaats are at specific times. So, what are they? And where are they written?

          Salaat + AlFajr - 2458 = Salaat at time of AlFajr
          Salaat + AlEshaan - 2458 = Salaat at the time of AlEshaan

          AlSalaat + AlWusta - 2238 = Salaat at middle/or you want to translate it?

          Is AlFajr a time? = yes
          Is AlEshaan a time? = yes

          Is AlWusta a time? = nope

          Where did you get this brother, can you please explain me with aayaats?

          But you are mixing Salaat, Dua, Tasbeeh, etc... all together in Salaat.

          Allah said everything very clearly, as I saw your article , I found it more confusing because of a mixture of Salaat, Dua and Tasbeeh.

          May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
          Mohammed M. Khan

          salaam,

          God mentioned specific times for the day.
          So is al Fajr a specific time? yes
          Is al Zuhr (or al Zaheerat) a specific time ? yes
          Is 'Asr a specific time? yes
          Is al Maghrib a specific time ? yes
          Is al Icha'a a specific time ? yes

          To all these time frames, God said we have to glorify Him. When God says in 5039-40 glorify Him describing specific times, and to glorify Him at the end of the prostrations ( ) it is not a simple du'a but refers to Salawat involving prostrations.
          Same thing in 20130 where we find " " (and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun ( &#1616 and before its disappearance ( &#1575, as well as from the (first) hours of the night ( &#1604, and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the (Four) extremities of the daylight ( &#1616, that you may be content.
          ). It describes specific times for Salaat as God said in 4103.

          Peace.

          Pierre

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            mmkhan
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            Wa Alaikum Salaam brother,

            God mentioned specific times for the day. - Agree.

            So is al Fajr a specific time? yes - Yes, and also Salaat is mentioned at this time.

            Is al Zuhr (or al Zaheerat) a specific time ? yes - Yes, but Salaat is NOT mentioned at this time.

            Is 'Asr a specific time? yes - Sorry, don't know, you have to give the reference.

            Is al Maghrib a specific time ? yes - Yes, but Salaat is NOT mentioned at this time.

            Is al Icha'a a specific time ? yes - Yes, and also Salaat is mentioned at this time.

            To all these time frames, God said we have to glorify Him.

            Where? And Glorify not Salaat?

            When God says in 5039-40 glorify Him describing specific times, and to glorify Him at the end of the prostrations ( &#1616 it is not a simple du'a but refers to Salawat involving prostrations.
            Same thing in 20130 where we find " " (and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun ( &#1616 and before its disappearance ( &#1575, as well as from the (first) hours of the night ( &#1604, and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the (Four) extremities of the daylight ( &#1616, that you may be content.
            ). It describes specific times for Salaat as God said in 4103.

            Again, you are mixing Salaat, Dua, Tasbeeh, etc... Allah specifically define each thing separately, Alhamdulillah.

            For example

            Example 1

            4165
            4165 Messengers who were bearers of good news and warners, so that there will be no excuse for the people with Allah after the messengers. Allah is Noble, Wise.

            Do you see the difference brother? Rasool and AlRasool. 'AL' makes a lot of difference.


            Example 2

            494
            494 O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of Allah, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace You are not a believer! You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with Allah are many riches. That is how you were before, but Allah graced you, so investigate carefully. Allah is expert over what you do.

            What means that to you brother? What means 'That is how you were before' when someone say 'AlSalaam'?
            As the aayat starts with 'O you who believe', they don't say AlSalaam anymore, but 'that is how they were before'.
            Then what they say now?

            654
            654 And if those who believe in Our revelations come to you, then say Peace be upon you , our Lord has decreed mercy upon Himself, that any of you who commits sin out of ignorance and then repents afterwards and amends, then He is Forgiving, Merciful.

            Do you see the difference brother? Al-Salaam and Salaamun? See how specific the words are, Subhan-Allah.


            Example 3

            1785
            1785 And they ask you concerning the Spirit. Say The Spirit is from the authority of my Lord; and the knowledge you were given was but very little.

            Do you notice the difference between two highlighted parts brother? Question was concerning the Spirit, but knowledge given is in general is very little, it is not specific to the Spirit. Otherwise, it may say '...Wa maa uootitum min al'ilmiHI...' That 'HI' is not added so we have to take concerning the knowledge is in general.


            Example 4

            3353
            3353 O you who believe, do not enter the homes of the prophet unless you are invited to a meal, without you forcing such an invitation. But if you are invited, you may enter. And when you finish eating, you shall leave, without staying to wait for a narrative. This used to bother the prophet, and he was shy to tell you. But Allah does not shy away from the truth. And if you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not for you to harm the messenger of Allah, nor that you should marry his wives after him. This is indeed a gross offence with Allah.

            Do you see the difference brother about AlNabi and Rasool Allah? The same Aayat talks about two.

            This is how Allah explains His aayaats. AlhamduliAllahi Rabbil Aalameen.

            And there are several more examples....

            May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
            Mohammed M. Khan

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              Duke
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              #46

              I originally only saw three prayers but if they are not mentioned by name then it does not mean that glorification is not prayer. I only see five now, besides

              http//mesmorial.blogspot.com/

              It is up to the student (Muslim) to decide what they think is correct, and I for one don't judge.

              Morning prayer can be performed from the first ray of light up till the time when the sun has fully risen. It will only take 2 minutes maximum to pray the morning prayer (in its minimal form). If it is absolutely necessary that you not pray, then I imagine this verse can apply (in principle)

              Thank you for the insight. Let me ask you. When the Quran mentions praise does it mean prayer all the time. I ask because sometimes I see praise and sometimes I see prayer. Are the two words interchangeable in Arabic. I read your article and it was very insightful and well thought out. I know you touched on that at one point but I just wanted some more understanding.

              Thanks

              "But if you are in danger, then (say your prayers) on foot or on horseback; and when you are secure, then remember Allah as He has taught you, which you did not know."

              Qur'an 2239

              Khuda hafiz

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                Wakas
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                Salaaman Khalil,

                Brother Salawaat surely is plural that means at least three, but lemme ask you something.

                If someone ask you to keep all the books in a rack/shelve and the red one also. How do you understanding this?

                When you say ALL BOOKS why not RED BOOK is included in it? Cause, RED BOOK is not with those books, but it was in another place.

                Another look

                2458

                2238

                "AL" = The

                Salaat + Al + Fajr - 2458
                Salaat + Al + Eishaan - 2458

                Al + Salaat + Al + Wusta - 2238

                May Allah increase us in knowledge.
                Mohammed M. Khan

                Nice points.

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  mmkhan
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                  Nice points.

                  Salaaman,

                  Thanks brother group

                  May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
                  Mohammed M. Khan

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