significance of Tawaf
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Wa Alaikum Salaam Badr,
This is NOT tawaaf what they do, but
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3513 He merges the night into the day, and He merges the day into the night. And He has commissioned the sun and the moon, each running for an appointed term. Such is Allah your Lord; to Him is the sovereignty. And as for those whom you pray to besides Him, they do not possess even the shell of a seed.3640
3640 The sun is not required to overtake the moon, nor will the night precede the day; each of them is swimming in its own orbit.No "tawaaf" word is used. Please let me know if any other aayat said it.
It is running and we know it's running in circles.
Instead of CIRCUIT, I would prefer to translate at VISIT .
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. KhanYou can translat it as you want, it is circling tho.
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here, let me help you put your analogy into a table, for anyone who simply can't believe you just wrote all that
| the smalls | (circling) | the big
| electrons | | nucleus
| microdimensional | ? | macrodimensional
| earthlings | | ka'aba
| planets | | sun
god=big
ergo,| the smalls | (circling) | the big
| earthlings | (pay homage to) | the god
| | ? |
Well, your analogy is already very self-explanatory, i don't need to comment on that. What's much more interesting is this--the grand keyword of your whole post
"symbolic"
As you said yourself "we all know He doesnt reside there"
Then why, would you use a symbol to represent (borrowing CD's term), the locality of your Creator?Even then, you finished your post with an understated closing remark "Understand who shall understand !" That I agree with.
Don't fear--understand! Understand the motive behind all that you've been following.
Look who's denying symbolism, you quranites are symbolising everything and when someone is using your own language to make you understand things you tell him why using symblism rotfl
zakaat = poor rate charity, you symbolise it as purity
salaat = 5 daily prayer, you symbolise it as contact whenever we want
hajj = pilgrimage and circling, you symbolise it as visit (not all agree on the place also)this is too funny
Don't you realise that you are always choosing the 2nd and sometimes also the 3rd definition of each word, even for a atheist arabic it would be clear but no, you muslims, choosing the farthest definition possible on the dictionnary.
-look tawaf is also visiting,
-of course it is also visiting, when you go to make tawaf, you have to put your foot on that place first
-ok let's skip circling and choose visiting
-look salat is also contact
-obvious, when you pray, better be in khuchuu' and concentrated to make contact with allah
-ok let's skip the ritual and chooseonly contact
-look zakaat is also purity
-of course, we make zakaat to purify ourselves from the evil deeds by following allah's will
-so let's stick to purity
really intelligent !!!!!! bravo
You are not getting that all these terms you are choosing derived from the true ones not the opposite but you are too stubborn to admit it.
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Look who's denying symbolism, you quranites are symbolising everything and when someone is using your own language to make you understand things you tell him why using symblism rotfl
zakaat = poor rate charity, you symbolise it as purity
salaat = 5 daily prayer, you symbolise it as contact whenever we want
hajj = pilgrimage and circling, you symbolise it as visit (not all agree on the place also)
...You are not getting that all these terms you are choosing derived from the true ones not the opposite but you are too stubborn to admit it.
Is that the best you can say? Where is your argument?
When you have understood what is "essence" and what is "symbol", we can actually exchange something. I agree though, the way you wrote your post and present your assumptions, i'd say "this is too funny" myself.
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Traditional hajj and tawaf etc are critically damaged using The Quran itself, but often the problem is, the person you are debating with does not regard Quranic coherence and/or logic as fixed, and that is how they can fit whatever meaning they wish into it.
It is actually "Quranists" who have a much harder task of remaining true to its criteria, and are bound by it, not external whims/sources.
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Badr,
I will tell you what is so significant about 6awaf, and about hajj in general. It is the best event for sexual harassment; not to mention other physical aggressions practiced and experienced there.
Salaam
did you attended that event and experienced that harasment? hypno -
You are inviting others to practice sorcery.
Syncretism Rituals of Hajj
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jY_6d7KBewThe Jewish Encyclopedia discusses circambulation
"Extension of Sukkot.
The seventh day of the festival is distinguished as the "great Hosha'na" (the Gospel accounts of Jesus' entry on Palm Sunday seem to have confused this with Pesaḥ, or "the day of the palm-and willow-branches" (Suk. 42-45). Carrying in their hands branches at least eleven feet long, the celebrants make seven circuits around the desk, chanting "Hosha'na" (Ps. cxviii. 25), and then beat the floor with the branches. This custom, said to be of Mosaic origin, is undoubtedly an adaptation of a Babylonian rite (Yer. 'Ab. Zarah iv.)."No where in the Quran is a ritual of Circambulation taught or discussed.
This is a Kabbalist rite known as ?squaring the circle?. They circle the Kaaba 7 times to represent the 7 ?heavens? or celestial bodies that circle above the earth, and in honor of the alchemical or ?spiritual realms? Fire, Water, Earth, Air, Above, Below, and Within.
Carl Jung taught this was a ?symbol of the opus alchymicum because it breaks down the original chaotic unity into the four elements and then combines them again in a higher unity?; the Philosopher?s stone.
This symbolic ritual used in esoteric Mystery schools and alchemy is taught by the Kabbalist satans who infiltrated the religions of man, turning service to our Creator into an idolatrous rite of magic, sorcery.http//www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/Wisdom/SquareCircle.gif
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This rite was practiced by 3 million Islamists in 2010 alone.
I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed satans.
Peace.
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I think tawaaf, like bowing and prostrating, is ways by which humans worship. Its available in all societies. Peolple always had temples where they had sacrifices and festivals to commemorate God's providence. The difference between the Koranic understanding is monotheism and not doing these rituals for false gods.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccftPtBhw1I
Rituals generally tend to be protocolish. often they are temples where people gather and perform rituals. The pagan Arabs probably did so in Mecca with the Ka'ba. Often they will be reanactments of past religious significant events. The safa and Marwa is one such thing although the OT tells us it was in bersheeba and not Mecca. But the idea is the same, its a reanactment of some past religiously significant event. Its a way to preserve memory and tradition but also a way to thank God for His providence.
In the Old Testament there are many of these rituals like altars and incest and sacrifices.
http//vimeo.com/11133297
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL4L2hNFe3U
But the Koran wants us to do it for God and not false gods.
But its part of human nature to have rituals and rites.
22.34-37 To every people did We appoint rites , that they might celebrate the name of Allah over the sustenance He gave them from animals . But your Allah is One Allah. submit then your wills to Him (in Islam) and give thou the good news to those who humble themselves,- To those whose hearts when Allah is mentioned, are filled with fear, who show patient perseverance over their afflictions, keep up regular prayer, and spend out of what We have bestowed upon them. The sacrificial camels we have made for you as among the symbols from Allah. in them is (much) good for you then pronounce the name of Allah over them as they line up when they are down on their sides , eat ye thereof, and feed such as (beg not but) live in contentment, and such as beg with due humility thus have We made animals subject to you, that ye may be grateful. It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah. it is your piety that reaches Him He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His Guidance to you and proclaim the good news to all who do right.
