Quran Syntax question?
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It seems you have not read what is explained about the structure of this whole sentence, in Word by Word Analysis link. The sentence has three phrases.
These are two phrases; First Prepositional Phrase, second Possessive Phrase. And third is
This is Adjectival Phrase.
Dear Mazhar, I have read it time and again. I fully understand that is in Jerr due to particle/preposition "Be". But why can not you give a straight answer for a simple question. Instead, of going in circles. Question is, despite preposition "Be" at the start of the phrase is a or not?
Badar
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Dear Mazhar, I have read it time and again. I fully understand that is in Jerr due to particle/preposition "Be". But why can not you give a straight answer for a simple question. Instead, of going in circles. Question is, despite preposition "Be" at the start of the phrase is a or not?
Badar
Dear Badr, if you really are not blind, what hampers after having read time and again to find it written therein that after truncating "bi" the other two words are Possessive Phrase, and in the diagram too, both words are connected with a curved line beneath which is written Possessive Phrase which is called .
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Seems like, I have asked another difficult question. Although, I am only asking questions, right from the alley of those claimant of knowing Quranic Arabic and its Grammar well.
Peace,
Badar
Dear Badr,
Questions are usually less difficult, you are more difficult to handle-----as can be observed from these two pages----and in the end you at times abandon the thread.
Please again see the graphic presentation. It is indicated that there is an elided verb before the sentence. And in an earlier reply this was explained, which may shed some light about the delicacies of the sentence
Prepositional phrase does not represent the -subject. Try to see the link.
Now consider two persons confronting each other, one says to the other; "You please read the presented Book with the Name of your Sustainer Lord". Do you think that the other man needs to say, while opening the Book, "Well I read the Book, or I start reading the Book" or he should straight say that while starting doing what he has been asked to do? May be this clarifies to you the concept of elisions in a written text.
I put it this way
or he should straight say that while starting doing what he has been asked to do. From this I understand that this relates to the elided predicate and subject. -
Dear Badr,
Questions are usually less difficult, you are more difficult to handle-----as can be observed from these two pages----and in the end you at times abandon the thread.
Please again see the graphic presentation. It is indicated that there is an elided verb before the sentence. And in an earlier reply this was explained, which may shed some light about the delicacies of the sentence
I put it this way
or he should straight say that while starting doing what he has been asked to do. From this I understand that this relates to the elided predicate and subject.Now you mean to say that God forgot to make clear statements/sentences and skipped parts. Or else, this book was only meant for person directly addressed. (again just a belief, without been able to prove).
Or else, my point that nobody understands the book. Even available Grammatical rules are insufficient to give complete understanding. Hence, we need to work to revive the language first. However, we shall be able to do this only once we realize above facts about Grammar being incomplete and language being lost. Additionally, this will also require to take Quran just as a book, and not words coming out of Gods mouth.
Peace,
Badar
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I didn't think you will prove my word in very next post.
Questions are usually less difficult, you are more difficult to handle
You don't percieve about a very common practice of ellisions in speech and writing in almost all languages. More than any other language of the world, Arabic language presumes its listener and reader an intelligent, rational, attentive and a person of mind. And Allah has sent the Qur'aan in Arabic as a blessing. It is personal choice if one wish to turn out as a stupid, retarded difficult for handling.
When I pick up Grand Qur'aan from the rack, my intention gets manifested, and I believe that I should start reading it with the Name of Allah. I need not say "I read the Qur'aan" instead say
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Let us keep the discussion to the topic in question. It is about syntax of Quran. We are just using first verse as an example for analysis.
So you say "Prepositional phrase does not represent the -subject. Try to see the link.". So it can not be a nominal sentence. Correct? Additionally, can a prepositional phrase start or occur at the begining of a sentence?
Peace,
Badar
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Let us keep the discussion to the topic in question. It is about syntax of Quran. We are just using first verse as an example for analysis.
So you say "Prepositional phrase does not represent the -subject. Try to see the link.". So it can not be a nominal sentence. Correct? Additionally, can a prepositional phrase start or occur at the begining of a sentence?
Peace,
Badar
What makes you to conclude like that/blue? What do you perceive from the term "Nominal sentence" and what are its constituent elements?
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The subject/topic of a Nominal sentence is either a single word which will be in nominative case, or it may be a phrase of undetermined length. But it cannot be a complete sentence. However, it should be remembered that when the topic of a sentence is a phrase, that phrase may itself contain embedded sentence. The subject/topic of a sentence cannot be one of the following two things.
- a prepositional phrase
** an adverbial phrase
When these two entities appear to be the topic of a sentence i..e. they are in the beginning, they are in fact relating to the elided comment/predicate.
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When these two entities appear to be the topic of a sentence i..e. they are in the beginning, they are in fact relating to the elided comment/predicate.
Did you mean to imply elided predicate or subject?
The subject/topic of a sentence cannot be one of the following two things.
- a prepositional phrase
Are familiar with, what is called a
Peace,
Badar
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Let me try to put it together, what you have said so far can not be.
- A sentence as it does begin with a preposition.
The subject/topic of a sentence cannot be one of the following two things.
- a prepositional phrase
** an adverbial phrase
- Whatever, it is, not a sentence, but somehow should have had a predicate. However, Its predicate/ is also elided. As it does begin with "a prepositional phrase"
When these two entities appear to be the topic of a sentence i..e. they are in the beginning, they are in fact relating to the elided comment/predicate.
Would you kindly share. What is this? What kind of a syntax, it is? Which syntactical rules to apply to understand it? Or else, this is just a jargon of words without any comprehensable meanings?
Badar
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Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 024025 PM
When these two entities appear to be the topic of a sentence i..e. they are in the beginning, they are in fact relating to the elided comment/predicate.
Would you kindly share. What is this? What kind of a syntax, it is? Which syntactical rules to apply to understand it? Or else, this is just a jargon of words without any comprehensable meanings?
That is the basic information about sentences. See this
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601909.0
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That is the basic information about sentences. See this
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601909.0
I did not know, how to respond to following comments. But thanks for providing an answer for yourself.
Dear Badr,
Questions are usually less difficult, you are more difficult to handle-----as can be observed from these two pages----and in the end you at times abandon the thread.
Peace,
Badar
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I just realized that you were likely pointing to the link as well. Just read your explanation. There is a fundamental problem here. A (compound), which is. We just agreed that it is a . The part of a can not be taken as
subject and or a predicate.A compound/ as whole can be one or other but not its parts. Hope you know it, very basic rules of Syntax.
Peace,
Badar
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Furthermore, if by example below
That is the basic information about sentences. See this
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601909.0
You are trying to imply that. Whole is predicate first/ . Then the question would be, where is the subject/ .
I Hope you are not implying as subject/ , are you?Peace,
Badar
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I just realized that you were likely pointing to the link as well. Just read your explanation. There is a fundamental problem here. A (compound), which is. We just agreed that it is a . The part of a can not be taken as
subject and or a predicate.A compound/ as whole can be one or other but not its parts. Hope you know it, very basic rules of Syntax.
Peace,
Badar
It now seems that you have atlast seen the link, but still with a blurred vision. Your thought that part of cannot be the subject or predicate of a sentence is totally superfluous. The first noun of it can be subject as well predicate. But not a prepositional phrase i.e. can be the subject or predicate. Here begins with prepositional phrase therefore it is not subject of the sentence.
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Furthermore, if by example below
You are trying to imply that. Whole is predicate first/ . Then the question would be, where is the subject/ .
I Hope you are not implying as subject/ , are you?Peace,
Badar
Badr, in what thoughs are you drowned? I am far away from that what you are saying above. Concentrate on this earlier reply and let me know what you perceived from it, so that I may further clarify if the idea is not picked up.
You don't percieve about a very common practice of ellisions in speech and writing in almost all languages. More than any other language of the world, Arabic language presumes its listener and reader an intelligent, rational, attentive and a person of mind. And Allah has sent the Qur'aan in Arabic as a blessing. It is personal choice if one wish to turn out as a stupid, retarded difficult for handling.
When I pick up Grand Qur'aan from the rack, my intention gets manifested, and I believe that I should start reading it with the Name of Allah. I need not say "I read the Qur'aan" instead say