How I came to Qur'an alone.
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Amen. it is weird, isn't it, how people who profess to have the best, latest revelation from God do not follow it? i am stunned by this fact, which i see daily online and elsewhere...it has led me to believe that i will never find any muslims to talk with, as the world seems to be full of Mohammedans and other non-koran-reading groups who profess to have the real truth...very frustrating, indeed, for a person like myself, who is looking for no more than a real relationship with God.
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Personally, I think the latest revelation from God is the snow falling outside my window, just now.
The layer of soot that will have covered it by the morning.To take all these texts and try to apply them to what our leaders are doing, right now, to become absorbed in the metamorphosis of sheer dogma..... without taking into context the reality of the history behind the texts, is a distraction and a death trap from the real message implied. A detour from the path of the prophets.
Propaganda is as ancient as religion and Islam is no exception.
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Amen. it is weird, isn't it, how people who profess to have the best, latest revelation from God do not follow it? i am stunned by this fact, which i see daily online and elsewhere...it has led me to believe that i will never find any muslims to talk with, as the world seems to be full of Mohammedans and other non-koran-reading groups who profess to have the real truth...very frustrating, indeed, for a person like myself, who is looking for no more than a real relationship with God.
Agreed.
Allah Hafiz
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Personally, I think the latest revelation from God is the snow falling outside my window, just now.
The layer of soot that will have covered it by the morning.To take all these texts and try to apply them to what our leaders are doing, right now, to become absorbed in the metamorphosis of sheer dogma..... without taking into context the reality of the history behind the texts, is a distraction and a death trap from the real message implied. A detour from the path of the prophets.
Propaganda is as ancient as religion and Islam is no exception.
100% agree...
Quran is not the last revelation.. and it never claims to be.
There are no text whatsoever written in the Quran which claim that "This book/Quran is the last revelation".
I don't know exactly how such notion / proposition become so popular.Perhaps it is a derived conclusion based from the statement of "The seal of prophets"..
The logic goes
P1 Prophets brings revelation.
`P1 (Fallacy) Revelation needs a prophet to convey it.Or another way of thinking
P1 Prophets brings revelation.
P2 Muhammad deliver the Quran
P3 Muhammad is the seal of prophets
Derived Conclusion (Fallacy) Quran is the seal of revelations..Salam / Peace
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Yes, absolutely.
If you look at Christianity in a historical light, one can plainly see that distribution of what most Christians think of as the Bible wasn't even allowed, for a very long time. It was decided upon what was accepted and what was not, through whatever religious/politcal channels were present at the time... and it was read to them. Common people were generally illiterate, in the first place.
Islam carried on with the texts that were cut, through the Quran, and, eventually, the Quran was also basically "apprehended" by authority figures and presented to the people as it was saw fit. There are Islamic countries, even now, where people are illiterate.
We are in the habit of this.
It doesn't just disappear with the hoisting of a new flag or the printing of a new book.There have been, for many years of course, two popularly accepted English versions of the Quran. One is from a supporter of one side of a battlefield... one is from another. I don't like either of them and refuse to even read them, much as I do not accept the Nicean council's decision on the Christian Bible.
We need to stop this war. Find what we agree on and live in that light.
Be willing to see another side as a legitimate possibility.But I didn't post to crash in on someone's story.
Sorry for that.I think everyone here is in the right place and I have respect and love for you all.
Wasalaam. -
bravo you are just one awesome person! (to person who wrote this reply)
If you look at Christianity in a historical light, one can plainly see that distribution of what most Christians think of as the Bible wasn't even allowed, for a very long time. It was decided upon what was accepted and what was not, through whatever religious/politcal channels were present at the time... and it was read to them. Common people were generally illiterate, in the first place.
Islam carried on with the texts that were cut, through the Quran, and, eventually, the Quran was also basically "apprehended" by authority figures and presented to the people as it was saw fit. There are Islamic countries, even now, where people are illiterate.
We are in the habit of this.
It doesn't just disappear with the hoisting of a new flag or the printing of a new book.There have been, for many years of course, two popularly accepted English versions of the Quran. One is from a supporter of one side of a battlefield... one is from another. I don't like either of them and refuse to even read them, much as I do not accept the Nicean council's decision on the Christian Bible.
We need to stop this war. Find what we agree on and live in that light.
Be willing to see another side as a legitimate possibility.But I didn't post to crash in on someone's story.
Sorry for that.I think everyone here is in the right place and I have respect and love for you all.
Wasalaam. -
100% agree...
Quran is not the last revelation.. and it never claims to be.
There are no text whatsoever written in the Quran which claim that "This book/Quran is the last revelation".
I don't know exactly how such notion / proposition become so popular.Perhaps it is a derived conclusion based from the statement of "The seal of prophets"..
The logic goes
P1 Prophets brings revelation.
`P1 (Fallacy) Revelation needs a prophet to convey it.Or another way of thinking
P1 Prophets brings revelation.
P2 Muhammad deliver the Quran
P3 Muhammad is the seal of prophets
Derived Conclusion (Fallacy) Quran is the seal of revelations..Salam / Peace
I truly, believe that the quran is the last revelation, even without the quran saying it
the reason, is the minds of scientists , are all revelations, because they discover what god created
the seal of prophets , messengers wisemen or whatever is gone, god created men and sent him messengers to rule and establish the right system to develop, after mohamed, science went up, the last century, sientists can even proove th existence of god without angel gabriel
mankind get to the level to take his own destiny, mankind knows right from wrong
mankind can establish a perfect system if mankind wants to etc...
god use to send messengers to show people the path, because of their ignorance of the straight path, now even atheists, knows the good path from the bad path
god can send a ruler to unite mankind and do justice if he wants to, not a prophet or a messenger to act like a priest and staying in mosuqes or churches preaching his prophethood or messengership and tellls us there is this life and the hearafteranother revelation doesn't make sense, specially if the quran's message wasn't modified
And a new prophet or messenger doesn't make sense also, because god always sent messengers to rule, how can someone come now and tell people god voted for me to rule in the USA or else or somthing ? -
I truly, believe that the quran is the last revelation, even without the quran saying it
the reason, is the minds of scientists , are all revelations, because they discover what god createdWell it is mate,
Revelations Making things which were unknown to be known..
And according to Quran "He is the one who teaches man everything which they initially knew not"
(There are bunch of references on this in Quran, seek out for yourself)And Prophets, Scientists etc.. are just a 'channel', a messenger to convey the revelations.
Thanks to God he had revealed to us many new things since Muhammad era, micro-biology, the earth is round, billions of galaxies, there are other planets in other solar systems.. etc.. etc.. it is countless!!And indeed Homo Sapiens civilizations relatively has evolved into something much better comparably since Muhammad era, thanks to God's revelation.
god use to send messengers to show people the path, because of their ignorance of the straight path, now even atheists, knows the good path from the bad path
god can send a ruler to unite mankind and do justice if he wants to,That's the evidence that God STILL send messengers to convey his revelations although we call such 'messenger' with different name now..
And it doesn't matter.. as long as the revelatory message got delivered..another revelation doesn't make sense, specially if the quran's message wasn't modified
I just shows you there are millions or perhaps billions of new revelations and it keep adding up as time progress since now..
There are signs for those who understand.. but certainly ignorant will not be able to read those 'signs'..
Salam / Peace