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53:15 Did Muhammed go up to heaven?

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    Mazhar
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    Who is HIM in this aayat?

    9010
    9011

    9010 And We guided him to both paths?
    9011 He should choose the better path.

    Whom He and Him is referring to? Same as in

    535
    535 He has been taught by the One mighty in power.

    The problem with you seems that you just see an individual word and not the expressions where it has been put. And also ignore the basic definition of a pronoun and manners of its use.

    A pronoun is defined as, "The part of speech that substitutes for nouns or noun phrases and designates persons or things asked for, previously specified, or understood from the context". All pronouns are definite as they are always used for a specific person, place or thing.

    The suffixed object pronoun, in accusative state, refers back to the one who is being discussed and desctibed and that is -9004.

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      The problem with you seems that you just see an individual word and not the expressions where it has been put. And also ignore the basic definition of a pronoun and manners of its use.

      A pronoun is defined as, "The part of speech that substitutes for nouns or noun phrases and designates persons or things asked for, previously specified, or understood from the context". All pronouns are definite as they are always used for a specific person, place or thing.

      The suffixed object pronoun, in accusative state, refers back to the one who is being discussed and desctibed and that is -9004.

      Thanks, this is what I wanted to ask you. As you said "The suffixed object pronoun, in accusative state, refers back to the one who is being discussed and desctibed and that is -9004"

      Now, can you please tell me your understand of 535 FROM THE CONTEXT or by REFERRING IT BACK TO WHOM IS BEING DISCUSSED as you said above? Thanks

      Awaiting your reply brother.

      May Allah guide us all to His path pr
      Mohammed M. Khan

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        Mazhar
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        Thanks, this is what I wanted to ask you. As you said "The suffixed object pronoun, in accusative state, refers back to the one who is being discussed and desctibed and that is -9004"

        Now, can you please tell me your understand of 535 FROM THE CONTEXT or by REFERRING IT BACK TO WHOM IS BEING DISCUSSED as you said above? Thanks

        Awaiting your reply brother.

        May Allah guide us all to His path pr
        Mohammed M. Khan

        In an expression every word, preposition, noun, verb, pronoun is linked and related to another element of the sentence. Arabic is a very specific and precise language. It does not leave things at the mercy or choice of listener to derive whatever he wishes to derive from it.

        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.2.gif
        that Guiding Lord of you people was neither unmindful of his surroundings and nor he distracted.

        Verb Perfect; third person; singular; masculine.

        Possessive phrase. First definite noun is nominative-Subject of preceding verb.

        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.3.gif

        And nor he is narrating this in vacuum/from empty thoughts and wishful conjecture,

        Imperfect verb, Mood Nominative; third person; singular; masculine; Pronoun of Subject of verb built in/implied referring back to the person mentioned earlier .

        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.4.gif
        since that is but the communication which is being caused to be communicated,

        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.5.gif
        The Mightiest in Power has taught him,

        Verb Perfect; third person; masculine; singular + Suffixed Fronted Object pronoun third person; singular; masculine, referring back to the person who is the subject of talking/saying what he has been told/made to learn. And the subject of verb-teaching is .

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          mmkhan
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          Salaam Mazhar,

          In an expression every word, preposition, noun, verb, pronoun is linked and related to another element of the sentence. Arabic is a very specific and precise language. It does not leave things at the mercy or choice of listener to derive whatever he wishes to derive from it.

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.2.gif
          that Guiding Lord of you people was neither unmindful of his surroundings and nor he distracted.

          Verb Perfect; third person; singular; masculine.

          Possessive phrase. First definite noun is nominative-Subject of preceding verb.

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.3.gif

          And nor he is narrating this in vacuum/from empty thoughts and wishful conjecture,

          Imperfect verb, Mood Nominative; third person; singular; masculine; Pronoun of Subject of verb built in/implied referring back to the person mentioned earlier .

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.4.gif
          since that is but the communication which is being caused to be communicated,

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.5.gif
          The Mightiest in Power has taught him,

          Verb Perfect; third person; masculine; singular + Suffixed Fronted Object pronoun third person; singular; masculine, referring back to the person who is the subject of talking/saying what he has been told/made to learn. And the subject of verb-teaching is .

          My question still remains there brother. You did not answer my question. I did not asked you to translation 5 aayaats of Sura 53.

          You simply added "Mohammed....(AS)" Into the brackets when Allah did not said so. Don't you afraid of adding words to the word of Allah? &

          If Allah want, He would have added. We have NO authority to insert or delete any thing brother.

          When I was looking at your translation, I found something seriously wrong as follows

          533

          And nor he is narrating this in vacuum/from empty thoughts and wishful conjecture,

          534

          since that is but the communication which is being caused to be communicated,

          You translated as above. Did you notice that

          Yantiqu = narrating

          Yuhaa = communicatED? Instead of communicating? Just because it is about wahi?

          May Allah forgive us all and guide us to His path pr
          Mohammed M. Khan

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            Mazhar
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            533

            And nor he is narrating this in vacuum/from empty thoughts and wishful conjecture,

            534

            since that is but the communication which is being caused to be communicated,

            You translated as above. Did you notice that

            Yantiqu = narrating

            Yuhaa = communicatED? Instead of communicating? Just because it is about wahi?

            It seems that you do not understand or know the difference between two verbs and , the later is passive verb of Form-IV, and even you have not paid attention to the complete sentence instead focussed on two words. I have written "which is being caused to be communicated".

            Language cannot be understood by merely knowing the meanings of words. Even if one has all the vacabulary of a language in his memory he cannot understand the written text, unless he knows grammer of that language to understand the relationship and connotations added by those linkages whereby he will understand what is actually stated therein. Please find time to glance some rules of grammer and syntax etc.

            While translating I have placed the name as to who is he, as is evident from 3446. The word used here does not mean any person in whose presence you might be now. In parentheses only such thing can be mentioned for convenience of reader's comprehension which is specifically mentioned in Grand Qur'aan.

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              Ozi_Kristi-lee
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              So can n e 1 answer if he went to heaven or not? God says to ask those wit knowledge, so does n e no some1 who I can ask?

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                So can n e 1 answer if he went to heaven or not? God says to ask those wit knowledge, so does n e no some1 who I can ask?

                Mohammed was summoned to the furthest place of prostration, the outermost universe, where the angel Gabriel mediated the Quran to him in whole. Upon returning the Quran was gradually released into his memory.

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                  mmkhan
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                  Salaam Mazhar,

                  It seems that you do not understand or know the difference between two verbs and , the later is passive verb of Form-IV, and even you have not paid attention to the complete sentence instead focussed on two words. I have written "which is being caused to be communicated".

                  Language cannot be understood by merely knowing the meanings of words. Even if one has all the vacabulary of a language in his memory he cannot understand the written text, unless he knows grammer of that language to understand the relationship and connotations added by those linkages whereby he will understand what is actually stated therein. Please find time to glance some rules of grammer and syntax etc.

                  Thanks for clarification. Yes, I did not see that as I replied in a rush. May Allah forgive me and please accept my apologize.

                  While translating I have placed the name as to who is he, as is evident from 3446. The word used here does not mean any person in whose presence you might be now.

                  Can you please clarify the highlighted part above brother?

                  In parentheses only such thing can be mentioned for convenience of reader's comprehension which is specifically mentioned in Grand Qur'aan.

                  I did not understand why Allah did not care for the convenience of reader's comprehension and left that for the translators to clarify it by adding into braces?

                  Brother my question still remains. Where did Mohammed(AS) came from in 532 and 535, cause 3446 just simply used the same word, but there also it is not mentioned of Prophet Mohammed (AS).

                  Can you please put some light on this?

                  May Allah guide us all towards the truth and open our hearts to understand the truth pr
                  Mohammed M. Khan

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                    Salaaman Ozi...lee,

                    So can n e 1 answer if he went to heaven or not? God says to ask those wit knowledge, so does n e no some1 who I can ask?

                    Sorry, I don't have any proof about the Messenger's visit to heaven or paradise.

                    May Allah guide us all to the correct path pr
                    Mohammed M. Khan

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                      mmkhan
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                      Mohammed was summoned to the furthest place of prostration, the outermost universe, where the angel Gabriel mediated the Quran to him in whole. Upon returning the Quran was gradually released into his memory.

                      Can you please give us the references.

                      Thanks.

                      May Allah guide us all to His path pr
                      Mohammed M. Khan

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                        Mazhar
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                        I did not understand why Allah did not care for the convenience of reader's comprehension and left that for the translators to clarify it by adding into braces?

                        Allah has already clarified everything in Qur'aan. The pronouns and possessive phrases like are explained in translation and persons referred therein are mentioned by name since in none of the dictionaries you will find who is being referred here. In dictionaries you will find as indefinite noun, whereas here it is not indefinite, but definite referring to a specific, only one person, and from other places we know specifically who this person is. You may find its meanings like "friend, comrade, one in whose presence someone is-His Majesty".

                        Please start learning Arabic grammer, which is very easy, that will enable you to perceive correctly what is stated in the text of Qur'aan. Those who merely know the meanings of individual word from Arabic to English dictionary and start thinking that each word of a Root has multiple meanings and then select one meaning of their choice and start writing dessertation about issues, not only "shackle" themselves but also mislead many others by playing anti traditionalist drumbeat.

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                          Salaam Mazhar,

                          Allah has already clarified everything in Qur'aan. The pronouns and possessive phrases like are explained in translation and persons referred therein are mentioned by name since in none of the dictionaries you will find who is being referred here. In dictionaries you will find as indefinite noun, whereas here it is not indefinite, but definite referring to a specific, only one person, and from other places we know specifically who this person is. You may find its meanings like "friend, comrade, one in whose presence someone is-His Majesty".

                          "only one person" - True, but who is that person?

                          "from other places we know specifically who this person is" - How? From which other places, if you are talking about other aayaats, please give me references for the same, if you are talking about other man written books or hadith, then sorry, I don't agree with you on this.

                          Please start learning Arabic grammer, which is very easy, that will enable you to perceive correctly what is stated in the text of Qur'aan.

                          Thank you for your concern brother. And I agree with you.

                          Those who merely know the meanings of individual word from Arabic to English dictionary and start thinking that each word of a Root has multiple meanings and then select one meaning of their choice and start writing dessertation about issues, not only "shackle" themselves but also mislead many others by playing anti traditionalist drumbeat.

                          Sorry, I don't agree with this, cause AlQuraan is for guidance for the mankind. Mankind includes all types of people. There is NO misguiding with AlQuraan, it is NOT possible.

                          It is only possible when someone add up their own words to the word of Allah which is NOT there already. Otherwise there is NO way of misguidance from AlQuraan.

                          May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
                          Mohammed M. Khan

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                            Mazhar
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                            While translating I have placed the name as to who is he, as is evident from 3446. The word used here does not mean any person in whose presence you might be now. In parentheses only such thing can be mentioned for convenience of reader's comprehension which is specifically mentioned in Grand Qur'aan.

                            Who is "Nazir" for us? Only one person and he is Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam.

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                              Mazhar
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                              It is only possible when someone add up their own words to the word of Allah which is NOT there already. Otherwise there is NO way of misguidance from AlQuraan.

                              Additions seldom misguide, since they are apparent and can be visibly detected. Confusion and misguidance is caused for the people, not conversant with rules of Arabic, by withholding or not describing the complete meanings and connotations of the words of Qur'aan.

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                                mmkhan
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                                Salaam Mazhar,

                                Who is "Nazir" for us? Only one person and he is Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam.

                                Nazir for us?

                                How could be Prophet Mohammed (AS) is a Nazir for us? Can you please explain?

                                You are simply trying to prove something without any proof.

                                May Allah guide us all towards Him pr
                                Mohammed M. Khan

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                                  mmkhan
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                                  Salaam bro,

                                  Additions seldom misguide, since they are apparent and can be visibly detected. Confusion and misguidance is caused for the people, not conversant with rules of Arabic, by withholding or not describing the complete meanings and connotations of the words of Qur'aan.

                                  Do you have supporting aayat on this, or ...

                                  May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
                                  Mohammed M. Khan

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Salaam Mazhar,

                                    Nazir for us?

                                    How could be Prophet Mohammed (AS) is a Nazir for us? Can you please explain?

                                    You are simply trying to prove something without any proof.

                                    May Allah guide us all towards Him pr
                                    Mohammed M. Khan

                                    It means you have not even read what I quoted and highlighted with red colour;
                                    "as is evident from 3446"

                                    And read 619

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                                      Salaam Mazhar,

                                      And read 619

                                      I already read your post and I have already responded to it. But seems you like to repeat the same things again and again.

                                      I did not find my answer in the references given. Please make it clear as you claim. Please don't try to twist or add in Allah's word.

                                      May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
                                      Mohammed M. Khan

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        Salaam Mazhar,

                                        I already read your post and I have already responded to it. But seems you like to repeat the same things again and again.

                                        I did not find my answer in the references given. Please make it clear as you claim. Please don't try to twist or add in Allah's word.

                                        May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
                                        Mohammed M. Khan

                                        You read nothing and keep talking, see it again

                                        Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 043259 AM
                                        Who is "Nazir" for us? Only one person and he is Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam.

                                        Nazir for us?

                                        How could be Prophet Mohammed (AS) is a Nazir for us? Can you please explain?

                                        It means you have not even read what I quoted and highlighted with red colour;
                                        Quote
                                        "as is evident from 3446"

                                        And read 619

                                        Dont you find who is Nazir for anyone of us whom Qur'aan has reached in this simple statement of 619?

                                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.019k.gif
                                        And this Qur'aan has been communicated to me so that I admonish/awaken you the living people with this and to admonish/awaken the one whom this Qur'aan reached". ;

                                        The one who warns is called "Nazir".

                                        Read the words carefully and you will realize that it covers the present time and all the future till end Bing Bang day.

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                                          mmkhan
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                                          You read nothing and keep talking, see it again

                                          It means you have not even read what I quoted and highlighted with red colour;
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                                          "as is evident from 3446"

                                          I read already, and now it is your turn to show me from the aayat below, where is it referring to Prophet Mohammed (AS)

                                          3446

                                          3446 Say I advise you to do one thing that you stand to Allah, in pairs and individually, then reflect. There is no madness in your friend, he is only a warner to you in the face of a severe retribution.

                                          If you are referring to " " then whom " " is referring to?

                                          And read 619

                                          Dont you find who is Nazir for anyone of us whom Qur'aan has reached in this simple statement of 619?

                                          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.019k.gif
                                          And this Qur'aan has been communicated to me so that I admonish/awaken you the living people with this and to admonish/awaken the one whom this Qur'aan reached". ;

                                          The one who warns is called "Nazir".

                                          Read the words carefully and you will realize that it covers the present time and all the future till end Bing Bang day.

                                          Thanks for clarifying it. I agree that "He is Nazir", but can you please clarify me who is HE in this aayat? There are two reasons for me to ask this question

                                          1- It is said "...wa oohiya ilayya haza AlQuraanu litunzirakum BIHI wa man(m) balagha...", it is not said "Unzila" but it is said "Oohiya", so why it is that?

                                          2- In 619 "Qul" means "Say" repeated 4 times. Whom this "Qul" is referring to all the 4 times?

                                          Please clarify.

                                          May Allah guide us all to His path pr
                                          Mohammed M. Khan

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