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    Kaiokenred
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    Peace all, i was reading the Qur'an in Albanian and i found something rather interesting which i believe that it is the place between Paradise and Hell-fire, in Arabic A'raf, in English i think it means Heights, and whoever translated it in Albanian it says it is probably a place for those who had a balance between good and evil deeds

    And the dwellers of the Garden cry unto the dwellers of the Fire We have found that which our Lord promised us (to be) the Truth. Have ye (too) found that which your Lord promised the Truth? They say Yea, verily. And a crier in between them crieth The curse of Allah is on evil-doers.

    Between them is a veil. And on the Heights are men who know them all by their marks. And they call unto the dwellers of the Garden Peace be unto you! They enter it not although they hope (to enter).

    When their eyes shall be turned towards the Companions of the Fire, they will say "Our Lord! send us not to the company of the wrong-doers."

    I'm sorry if there was already a topic for this case but i couldn't find it, i hope you share your opinions here tho.

    peace

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      unknownuser
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      Peace all, i was reading the Qur'an in Albanian and i found something rather interesting which i believe that it is the place between Paradise and Hell-fire, in Arabic A'raf, in English i think it means Heights, and whoever translated it in Albanian it says it is probably a place for those who had a balance between good and evil deeds

      And the dwellers of the Garden cry unto the dwellers of the Fire We have found that which our Lord promised us (to be) the Truth. Have ye (too) found that which your Lord promised the Truth? They say Yea, verily. And a crier in between them crieth The curse of Allah is on evil-doers.

      Peace,

      No between such as 2nd floor, 1st floor, basement, rather see it thus...

      744...So have you found what promised your Lord true?"
      They (those in dire straits) will say, "Yes."
      So will announce an announcer among them (i.e. "in their midst of the crowd&quot/baynahum...

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        Kaiokenred
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        Peace,

        No between such as 2nd floor, 1st floor, basement, rather see it thus...

        744...So have you found what promised your Lord true?"
        They (those in dire straits) will say, "Yes."
        So will announce an announcer among them (i.e. "in their midst of the crowd&quot/baynahum...

        These are some translations of the same verse

        Sahih International
        And the companions of Paradise will call out to the companions of the Fire, "We have already found what our Lord promised us to be true. Have you found what your Lord promised to be true?" They will say, "Yes." Then an announcer will announce among them, "The curse of Allah shall be upon the wrongdoers."
        Muhsin Khan
        And the dwellers of Paradise will call out to the dwellers of the Fire (saying) "We have indeed found true what our Lord had promised us; have you also found true, what your Lord promised (warnings, etc.)?" They shall say "Yes." Then a crier will proclaim between them "The Curse of Allah is on the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.),"
        Pickthall
        And the dwellers of the Garden cry unto the dwellers of the Fire We have found that which our Lord promised us (to be) the Truth. Have ye (too) found that which your Lord promised the Truth? They say Yea, verily. And a crier in between them crieth The curse of Allah is on evil-doers,
        Yusuf Ali
        The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers;-
        Shakir
        And the dwellers of the garden will call out to the inmates of the fire Surely we have found what our Lord promised us to be true; have you too found what your Lord promised to be true? They will say Yes. Then a crier will cry out among them that the curse of Allah is on the unjust.
        Dr. Ghali
        And the companions (i.e., inhabitants) of the Garden will call out the companions of the Fire, (saying) "We have already found whatever our Lord promised us true; then have you found whatever your Lord promised true?" They will say, "Yes." Then an announcer will announce between them, "The curse of Allah be on the unjust.

        How can all of them be wrong and you right?

        Anyway the verses after these prove that there's a place except Jannah and Jahannam

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          ths
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          Yes it seems you're talking about Purgatory.

          I'm sure it's been discussed here before.

          Anyway even the traditional sources say this

          (&#1601 .

          ? ( 44 -51) . . ( &#1614 46.

          lol..a big fence

          Muhammad Asad, whom i like a lot, doesn't derive the name a3raf from a big fence like traditional sources, but has this to say

          The term al-a'raf (which gave to this surah its title) occurs in the Qur'an only twice - namely,

          in the above verse and in verse 48. It is the plural of 'urf, which primarily denotes

          "acknowledgement" or "discernment", and is also used to denote the highest, or most elevated,

          part of anything (because it is most easily discerned) for instance, the 'urf of a cock is

          the coxcomb, that of a horse its mane, and so forth. On the basis of this idiomatic usage, many

          commentators assume that the a'raf referred to here are "elevated places", like the heights ofa wall or its ramparts, and identify it with the "barrier" (hijab) mentioned at the end of

          the preceding sentence. A far more likely interpretation, however, is forthcoming from the

          primary significance of the word 'urf and its plural a'raf namely, "discernment" and "the

          faculty of discernment", respectively. This interpretation has been adopted by some of the

          great, early commentators of the Qur'an, like Al-Hasan al-Bagff and Az-Zajjaj, whose views

          Razi quotes with evident approval. They state emphatically that the expression 'ala 'l-a'raf

          is synonymous with 'ala ma'rifah, that is, "possessing knowledge" or "endowed with the faculty

          of discernment" (i.e., between right and wrong); and that the persons thus described are those

          who in their lifetime were able to discern between right and wrong ("recognizing each by its

          mark&quot, but did not definitely incline to either in brief, the indifferent ones. Their lukewarm

          attitude has prevented them from doing either much good or much wrong - with the result that,

          as the next sentence shows, they deserve neither paradise nor hell. (Several Traditions to

          this effect are quoted by Tabari as well as by Ibn Kathir in their commentaries on this verse.) -

          The noun rijal (lit., "men&quot at the beginning of the next sentence as well as in verse 48

          obviously denotes "persons" of both sexes.

          فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ
          So strive as in a race in all virtues! 5:48

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