3:45 and 4:171

[marie]

Peace all,

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Jesus, Virgin Births, Miracles, Symbolisms, cont...

Peace be upon you,

(345) When those controlled (malaika) said "You Mary, truly The God announces good news to you, with a word/expression from Him, his name (is) the Messiah Jesus Mary's son, noble in the present world and the end (other life), and from the neared/closer."

(4171) You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your system, and do not say on (about) The God except the truth , but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) God's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and an energy (ruh) from Him; so believe with The God, and His messengers, and do not say "Three." Stop (it is) best for you, but The God (is) one God, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with The God (as a) guardian/protector .

So why are we debating literal meanings for Jesus, when He is called the WORD of the God?

I think the verses above are misunderstood

FM
345. And the Angels said ?O Mary, God gives ?you? good news of a word (kalimatin) from Him whose name (ismuhu) is the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. Honourable in this world and in the Hereafter, and from among those who are made close.?
Ith qalati almala-ikatu ya maryamu inna Allaha yubashshiruki bikalimatin (word) minhu ismuhu (whose name) almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama wajeehanfee alddunya waal-akhirati waminaalmuqarrabeena

Ahmad Shabir
345 Angels said, ?O? Mary! Allah gives you the good news through a word from Him. His name would be Christ Jesus, son of Mary, held in honor in this world and among the ones close to Me in the Hereafter.?

I found shabir?s translation more adequate.

?Kalima? is a mode 'muannath' in Arabic (feminin)

?ismuhu? which is translated by ?whose name? is not the name of ?kalima?, because we should read ?ismuha?

Example
ismuhu = His (hu) name is Zachariah / John?.(masculin)

ismuha = Her (ha) name is maryam / Fatima?( feminin)

I consider the following as the content of the news announced to Mary

?ismuhu (his name) almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama wajeehanfee alddunya waal-akhirati waminaalmuqarrabeena?

His name (ismuhu) is the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. Honourable in this world and in the Hereafter, and from among those who are made close

Ahmad Shabir
4171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion. Say nothing about God except the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Mary was a Messenger of Allah, the fulfillment of His Word to Mary, created according to the Laws of Creation and given free will from the Divine Energy (like all human beings (1529), (327-9), (3872)). Believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ?Three". Cease! It is for your own good. God is but One God. Far removed it is from His Supreme Majesty that He should have a son. Everything in the Highs and everything in the Lows belongs to Him. He is the Self-Sufficient Sustainer of the Universe (2255).

In 4171 "wakalimatuhu" doesn't mean Jesus is the word of Allah but the word (kalimatu) of Allah (hu) He (Allah) delivered (alqa) it(ha) to Mary in 345, in other word, 'kalimatuhu' is the content of the good news announced to Mary in 345.

We could translate "alqaha" as "He fulfilled it"

If "wakalimatuhu" refers to Jesus, we shoul read "alqahu" (masculin)instead of "alqaha"(feminin).

This is the same logic for the verse 345, if "ismuhu" refers to "kalimatin" (feminin) , we shoul read "ismuha" (feminin) instead of "ismuhu"(masculin), in the same way for the verse 4171 "kalimatun" (feminin)--->alqaha(feminin)

4171. O people of the Scripture, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God?s messenger and His word (wakalimatuhu) He delivered it to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not Say ?Trinity.? Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the Earth. God is enough as a caretaker.

Ya ahla alkitabi lataghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahiilla alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesaibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu (His word) alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahiwarusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahookhayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidunsubhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahiwakeelan

Allah knows the best

Marie