The perfect proof of ALLAH's existence - In a single quranic verse!
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Peace peeps;
Edip
It's fairly difficult to place this argument because I'm not sure how how exactly the circles arise but I'll give it a go. It is indeed very much like the ontological argument in a lot of respects.
1.) There is an absolute truth that none can disagree upon - the terms "existence", "knowledge", "energy", "the universe" all refer to this absolute truth
2.) We hold no separate identity to the universe at large as we are a part of it
3.) Given that we each have an identity as an observer of the universe and taking account of (2), we acknowledge that the universe has a single identity
4.) We must agree then that there is fundamentally connected observation taking place; the single identity observing the universe
5.) The fundamental connection between all observers is the observer which we may then call "God"Asana
I apologise for any implication put forth that I am underestimating your knowledge. What I mean by misunderstanding is that we are talking about exactly the same thing but we have two different perspectives on it that seem to disagree.
To be honest I am getting confused by some of the words you're using. The idea I'm trying to put forth is that at first is only the creator then comes the duality of created/creation. Yet the omnipresence of the creator demands that they are fundamentally inseparable.
We disagree in that I hold that the physical universe is perfect. But I am looking at its workings here, not the froth on the top; a perfect paintbrush makes art that some may call imperfect. Predestination is half-fixed by the creator as I already gave reference in my first post. And a supporting verse is 7039; stating that not all beings are created wanting to even enter paradise. Predestination is inevitable if anything is to have form.
You refer to 2130, why should it say "his existence"? The quran is perfectly strict in its wording, leave it be. My belief is not "the universe is his being" but that creation is inseparable from creator. Regardless, mine or anyone's belief does not change anything about the creator. We are indeed in agreement that "his essence is unfathomable". Then we move onto 4171; refer to 6612, Jesus is brought to Mary as spirit. Why it says both word and spirit in 4171 I could not precisely tell you, I don't know enough about that. If you have an answer let me know. No, Jesus is not the creator and nor does the framework I think in hold him to be so. Who is creator, that is exclusively decided by who is there at the beginning of all things, none but ALLAH.
As for alpha/omega, you said what I said essentially word for word yet somehow managed to disagree. This is where we are in misunderstanding. I already showed you that time does exist for the creator exactly the same way as it runs for us, see 711. That does not mean that creator is limited by time.
As for returning to the creator, nowhere has it been said in my posts that we go "in him". Indeed if we use take the strawman you are using we are already "in him". However that is not what I mean. The creator is the source, like an infinite well that does not run out. See 2546 for something similar. Any kind of energy comes from the source of energy and returns back to the source.
You misread my next statement. I think that alpha and omega refer to the two states in which there is only ALLAH and nothing else. Those two states are the beginning and the end. In between, creation exists. You have constructed a strawman in your mind about what I believe perhaps based on your past discussions with "non-dualists". The concept I am running with is that ALLAH is in some fashion the substance that the universe is made of. I get this from 2435 which seems to explicitly state to me that this is the case. What you refer to by "Essence" and "Being" confuses me, these are very vague terms.
Regarding meditative experiences, consider that you don't need to train your mind to see or hear the creator. The fact that you hear a sound at all, you hear the creator. Now if rationality and logic were surefire in proving the creator's presence, then perhaps there wouldn't be such an onslaught of people of the new age claiming to herald science and all things sane yet vehemently denying their very source. One of the key aspects of Zen thinking is that breaking the tired old environmentally conditioned patterns of rationality can be a much easier/faster/cheaper way to a direct experience of the self.
The brain can work much faster using its experiencing/creative aspects unhindered by glacially slow conscious thought. It must work logically regardless because it is a computer at its core. Instead of running through a long series of "what ifs" in our brain circuitry we can run through a single "what is". We arrive at the same point either way, assuming the logical method is even guided by absolutely correct information, which it rarely is. Both methods are harmonious with one another when guided properly. Sure, belief must be based on rationality. Yet the questions the quran poses work both ways.
On free will - I seriously do not understand where you find yourself to be lost. The creator has shaped the sun to be round and humans to be human shaped. These things utterly dominate our free will. We know via science that there is only a very precisely defined set of possible movements you can carry out within a given time interval. The key concept here is that you cannot change the past but you can affect the future. The further back in time something comes to be, the more influence it has over the entire universe in time to come. As ALLAH is at the beginning, ALLAH has total control of all things.
We then move onto the state of unity. There is an issue of putting this into words here. You say "That state to me is allowing yourself to sense Him in you and you in Him". This is not the case, being in this state is nothing like that. There is no "you in Him" and "Him in you" at all. There is no "sensing" either. There is no "me" in this state. When you sleep, there is no "you" experiencing the sleep. Likewise, the concept of "you" is seen to be an illusion here. How best to put it, I don't know. Energy experiencing energy, the universe seeing itself see itself see itself see itself ad infinitum, awareness being aware of awareness. There is no "two become one". It is ineffable.
Regarding trees and the creator; the creator runs through all things, that is what I am trying to express. This is a question of semantics. If a musician makes a song or a painter creates a work of art, I hold that creation to be part of the creator. It is "them". Perhaps you make the distinction here. I do not. We do not "create gods" because here we fundamentally acknowledge that no matter what everything is from the sole creator of all things. Nothing can truly create anything, we can only rearrange existing energy.
Final point - yes, the creator is doing it all. As they say on the back of crisp packets, your statutory rights are not affected. Think about it, honestly. You still have to eat, sleep and bomb the toilet every day. You still have to spin around the sun once a year. Finding out that 2+2=4 does not change the fact that you have always had 5 fingers. It merely puts it into context. God's teaching is that everything is his will and that man was created to endure stress (904) and to work for a specific purpose (559).
May God increase our knowledge indeed!