The Man-history of his coming into being
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The Man-history? I suppose you mean "The Man History".
Evolution is ofcourse a theory. While it may be partly correct, I don
t believe it is completely correct. For instance, "random mutation", requires a whole lot more "luck" than a lotto winner, many times. It does not only require one "random" mutation, to generate the first man, born from apes. However it requires a second random mutation, that is equal to the first, (already here we see impossible odds) to generate the woman. And not only that, but it requires that these two compatible random mutations, happen within a geographic distance, so the two meet. And we havent even discussed how these two first humans grow up, and survive among beasts, meet, and even their offspring survives to generate the whole human race.You use of the word "exalted" with the word "ceremony" is questionable. Is the ceremony exalted? I was under the belief that only a living being can be exalted.
Also, your translation of some verses, adressing angels as "you people", is not correct. Man is man, angel is angel.
Also it`s gets comical to read your translations, at some point. "skinned corporeal compact structure with the sand mixed crinkled clay drawn from odor-diffused pulverized fetid muddy compound"
This is NOT a good translation, Mazhar.This is so obscure, that I have to make some more guesses. This is about "Man is from matter and not portion/part of Absolute Being." ?
AKA, man is not divine, seems to be the argument.
And you use verses from the Quran, stating that man was made from clay.
You continue to pick the Quran apart, to support your argument..- "how We rotate/centrifuge" really, Mazhar, you need to do some more work here. This is where I just skim the rest of the arugment.
From what I can see, it intents to be an argument against the divinty of man, and for the purely physical nature of man.
RUH.. where is that mentioned, I can`t see it anywhere. Yet most muslims know the term. Surely this "expert" who wants to teach us about the Quran, knows about RUH.. Lol, but nowhere in his writing can I see this. Maybe he convieniently ignored the term, and selected verses instead, that would look to support his argument, rather than be truthful.
RUH, to the best of my knowledge, means breath, wind, and force.
Surely you know the verses about God breathing of his own nature, into Adam, and thus gave him life. More specifically, mind, perception and senses.
This component of the human, you do not cover in your writing. I suggest you update it, otherwise you would present a false image, by leaving out certain facts.
What it means, is ofcourse what advanced muslims know. And that is, that We are all, the eternal force God. (consciousness). Creator of time and space. Arranger of all things.
Denying this, seems like the most petty things one can do. Ofcourse it fits with idolatry. Denying ones own mind, in favour of love of idols, call them Mohammed and companions, if you wish. Pharao would probably do the same.
You are like the people mentioned in the Quran, who take some of it, and leaves something else, and twist it to suit their own meaning.
And as we so often see with the sectarians, you take on the role of a teacher. Horrifying.Maybe hadith taught you that complete nonsense is acceptable in religion.
Delusion, and what is called hell-fire, is the only thing you are leading to.
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Thanks for critically reading and examining the contents.
The difficulty in translation, as you know, depends upon the Source language and the target language. No target language has that capacity to depict everything contained in the words and sructure of the Arabic sentence, in equal number of words. One Arabic phrase might need a whole paragraph to convey what is embedded therein. What can be attempted is to minimise the "translation loss" while efforting to little compromise the nicities of the target language.
You use of the word "exalted" with the word "ceremony" is questionable. Is the ceremony exalted? I was under the belief that only a living being can be exalted.
The purpose of the ceremony/gathering is evidently to expose the exalted status of the new incumbent in the Created Realm.
Also, your translation of some verses, adressing angels as "you people", is not correct.
The source language has built in plural pronoun for the second person. English "You", denotes, one, two, more than two second persons, without gender distinction. Arabic second person pronoun also indicates gender. Perhaps, "You, the Angels" might be better choice.
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Also, your translation of some verses, adressing angels as "you people", is not correct. Man is man, angel is angel.
Also it`s gets comical to read your translations, at some point. "skinned corporeal compact structure with the sand mixed crinkled clay drawn from odor-diffused pulverized fetid muddy compound"
This is NOT a good translation, Mazhar.Agree that, seen from the perspective of target language, it does not seem impressive. However, my attempt is that if the English text is put back in Arabic, the perception should not seem far away from the original source text. Reverting it into Arabic, by Google, it may translate like this
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The Quran uses hadith, about itself aswell. So, since the Quran is a narration/story, told in Arabic, how would one best tell it, in English? It seems if one has that angle on translation, one can really retell the Quran, in a much less obscure way.
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Salaam dear Mazhar and All,
I refer you to the verse 2920 in The Qur'aan among numerous other verses, in which ALLAAH SWT commands us to roam the Earth and OBSERVE how He started the creation. So, by GOD'S prescription, in order to truly learn about the process of the creation one has to go to the nature itself and start from there instead of starting from The Qur'aan and trying to PHILOSOPHIZE, make baseless imaginations, and conjectures.
I also refer you to my first post on this forum through the link below where I've quoted many verse from The Qur'aan regarding the creation of the Universe among other things.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600440.msg247806#msg247806
Peace,
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I refer you to the verse 2920 in The Qur'aan among numerous other verses, in which ALLAAH SWT commands us to roam the Earth and OBSERVE how He started the creation.
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/029.%20Al%20Ankaboot/29.20.gif
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/032.%20As%20Sajda/Temp%2001%2032.07a.gif
Do you notice the difference?
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Dear Mazhar,
I know exactly what the difference is. You are emphasizing on the creation of mankind, not the creation in general.
What I am trying to get across is, that the creation of every thing on Earth, mankind included, has started from dust and clay and mud and?. Here I am emphasizing on HOW the process took place. I am saying that GOD ALMIGHTY wants us to excavate and search through the Earth and find out HOW He created all things. He wants us to learn by research and OBSERVATION through SCIENTIFIC means and processes and NOT by guesswork, interpretations, and conjectures, sitting behind closed doors PHILOSOPHIZING.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600440.msg247806#msg247806
Peace,
Khalil -
I know exactly what the difference is. You are emphasizing on the creation of mankind, not the creation in general.
What I am trying to get across is, that the creation of every thing on Earth, mankind included, has started from dust and clay and mud and?. Here I am emphasizing on HOW the process took place. I am saying that GOD ALMIGHTY wants us to excavate and search through the Earth and find out HOW He created all things. He wants us to learn by research and OBSERVATION through SCIENTIFIC means and processes and NOT by guesswork, interpretations, and conjectures, sitting behind closed doors PHILOSOPHIZING
You did not notice the difference because the thing that is in your mind does not make you listen anything else.
The specific information given about the Man in the Qur'aan is the exact base source of learning about him. The Article covers only those Ayah of Grand Qur'aan which mention the Raw material used for the creation of man. If you concentrate on the words indicating raw material and the processes carried on those, you might notice what people have learnt so far about the origin of life.