Theory of Evolution anyone ?
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Peace All.
We did not come from"apes",nor did apes come from humans.
" Be ye as despicable as apes is just an expression in Qoran meaning "lowest of the low".
GOD created each species as its own.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5sfHz3xyNc
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
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Peace,
I agree with good logic "We did not come from"apes",nor did apes come from humans."
I often wondered "why would apes change into humans, where's the benefit?
Why hasn't the missing link ever been found?
Why aren't apes still changing?We do evolve
He is the One who created you in stages.
Darwinian evolution has been proven to be flawed, but has been used in the past to justify our imperialistic
subjugation of non-Europeans, relieving us of our guilt to enslave, annihilate, and exploit the subhuman races since
we are superior by natural selection and the fittest to survive.The story of Ota benga "man put in the zoo"
http//onehumanrace.com/docs/ota_benga.asp
Darwinian evolution has been used once again to justify atheism by those who are nonbelievers to assert
that God is not the lord and sustainer of creation, they insist that it is science that is promulgated, but they fail to
understand that God is supernatural, meaning "above" or outside of nature thereby defying the scientific method.If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only
conjecture; they only guess.Many atheist use fancy language, and conjecture to convince many people of their positions, but in the end they
are simply nonbelievers like their cohorts.God bless
peace
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Yes.
Also, usually we are fed the all too common black and white dichotomy.. "either you're with us or against us"... or in this case, "either evolution or creation". Portraying it as if these are THE only options is just plain silly, and is something that is accepted by simple-minded or uninformed people. Such extremes themselves are usually not depicting anything near reality.
Atheists, often, wants to portray the human being as just another animal... and ascribe the theory of survival of the fittest to us too. Survival of the fittest is not even the general norm in the animal world. It exists, but not as THE guiding force of nature. The animal kingdom is NATURAL and balanced, without excess or real waste. Even in the animal kingdom you'll find cooperation, even when there might not be any apparent purpose for this cooperation.
When the human being is living a life according to the survival of the fittest, we get where we are today.... war, crime, destruction of the planet, unsustainable and a destructive economic model. When reducing the human being to something that operates, by nature, as per the theory of survival of the fittest, we actually become WORSE than animals. I believe the quran mentions this aswell in some context, that people become worse than animals.... i.e. totally unnatural.. "ungodly".
Both the blind, random and purposeless Darwinian creation and evolution, as well as the religious stories of creation, are no more than fantasies disconnected from anything natural, wholesome and sensible. This is entertainment for the human being, fumbling in the dark, guessing and arguing.
Peace.
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When the human being is living a life according to the survival of the fittest, we get where we are today.... war, crime, destruction of the planet, unsustainable and a destructive economic model. When reducing the human being to something that operates, by nature, as per the theory of survival of the fittest, we actually become WORSE than animals. I believe the quran mentions this aswell in some context, that people become worse than animals.... i.e. totally unnatural.. "ungodly".
Agreed, such doctrines as Darwinian evolution contribute to a poisonous mindset that renders its constituents or
more pointedly "victims" to a state of straying or as you put it "totally unnatural.. "ungodly".We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not
understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no,
they are far worse?they are totally unaware. (heedless)I would like for folks to read the article about Ota Benga in my previous post, the article speaks for itself.
God bless
peace
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Peace All.
We did not come from"apes",nor did apes come from humans.
Define ape..
And define human.." Be ye as despicable as apes is just an expression in Qoran meaning "lowest of the low".
You're mistaken, 'ape' in that verse is a symbolism of "GREED" as 'monkey' is a symbol of Greed in Israelites culture (and donkey is a symbol of "Steadfast/Patience" within Israeli culture)
and not 'lowest of the low'..GOD created each species as its own.
Please define "As its own"..
Why aren't apes still changing?
Gorilla, Chimps, Orangutan, Human is still changing as we speak..
Darwinian evolution has been proven to be flawed, but has been used in the past to justify our imperialistic subjugation of non-Europeans, relieving us of our guilt to enslave, annihilate, and exploit the subhuman races since we are superior by natural selection and the fittest to survive.
"Survival of the fittest" is true and it has nothing to do with 'imperlalistic subjugation' of Europeans to non-Europeans or Muslim to non-Muslim or Christian to non-Christian.
The word "FIT" for human context, means "NICE", "Survival of the NICEST".
And even the Quran told stories of "People around you which WE HAVE DESTROYED" and asked its readers to contemplate on it.Let's take a look at current world population as empirical evidence.
Sum up the total population of ALL European Countries.
Sum up the total population of ALL Middle Eastern Countries.Compare each of the above with the total population of China and then India.
Each of those two countries eclipsed the total population of ALL European countries and ALL Middle Eastern Countries.
And then contemplate, whether they have subjugate / colonize / enslave anyone, in comparison to European and Middle Easterners.The number speaks for itself, the survival of the NICEST.
Those who are not NICE will become extinct / destroyed.
That's indeed among God's universal law.
Human will evolve to become more nicer... as those who are not nice will be cut off from the evolution tree and become extinct..Salam / Peace
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I would like for folks to read the article about Ota Benga in my previous post, the article speaks for itself.
Salam,
The article you mentioned is a report of man's ignorance, hatred and racism and has nothing to do with evolution.
The article concludes at the end that, "The story of Ota Benga is one of the many tragic fruits of evolutionism. But it is one which contains a lesson in helping us to realize the importance of the Christian teaching that all men are brothers, all descendants of Adam and Eve. If all Christians had stood up for creation at the outset of the Ota Benga incident, this horror story of evolutionary racism might have been averted."
Evolution is a scientific fact and is revealed in the Qur'an. It were Muslim scientist that first studied EVOLUTION long before Darwin.
225 O Mankind! If you are in doubt that humanity will one day stand on its feet, and that you will be resurrected back to life after death, consider the process of your own evolution. We have created you in stages From dust, then from male and female gametes, then from a zygote, then from an embryo, shapely and first shapeless. We thus clearly explain things for you. The embryo and then the fetus stay in the womb until an appointed term according to Our laws. Then We bring you forth as infants and carry you to maturity. While some of you die young, others live to the feeblest old age so that they know nothing after knowing much. (Resurgence of humanity can take place just as) you, O Prophet, see a dry barren land, but when We send down water on it, it vibrates with life and grows all kinds of beautiful plants.
543 They adamantly deny the truth and follow their desires. Yet, everything moves to its destination in stages.
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Peace Virtueorvice.
Of course I believe in evolution within each species. Gradual change to adapt as life progresses.
That is different from one species becoming another.
If you are saying one species has become another, then bring us proof, or show us an intermediate species?
Peace Jafar
Definition of a human You are a human.
If you are an "ape" and I am conversing with you, then I am wrong!
Definition of " its own" One species does not change to another! Example,a dog does not become a sheep?
Peace to you both.
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If you are saying one species has become another, then bring us proof, or show us an intermediate species?
Salam,
Evidence is all around us! On earth and in the visible universe. There are many scientists dedicating their time and energy to studying evolution!
Should we really think that God has placed more than 8.7 million species separately on Earth? Please see Number of species on Earth tagged at 8.7 million http//www.nature.com/news/2011/110823/full/news.2011.498.html
Should we believe that God has placed so many stars individually in the sky or should we believe that they have evolved from previous generation of stars and gas/dust clouds?
We have evidence that the Universe came into existence from a small point we cannot yet fully understand. Then it automatically evolved according to the Natural Laws.
Do you want to believe in the LORD of the Bible or Allah of the Qur'an?
Allah of the Qur'an is so Sublime and Intelligent that works through subtle ways and only SCIENTIST can truly understand those ways.
3528 And of human beings, the crawling creatures and related animals, and the cattle have diverse colors and properties. This is why of all His servants only those with knowledge of sciences can get some idea of the glory of God (by examining the wonders in nature). Surely, God is Almighty, Absolver of imperfections.
Creation of species on earth is no more different than the creation of the Universe. It all happens in stages driven from previous stages.
7927 What! Are you the more difficult to create or is the heaven that He built?
Homo Sapiens have evolved, along with some other groups that are extinct now, from previous less developed species.
Homo Sapiens and Chimpanzees have 99% of their genes the same.
Humans and Chimpanzees have had a common ancestor long time ago.
All species evolved on earth from some simple, less intelligent and less developed form of life.
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Peace Virtueorvice.
Evolution is a GOD guided process.
My understanding and yours may not be as far as you think.The water that condensed at the early stages of the development of the earth and formed the seas oceans mixed with the dirt to form mud. Out of the molding mud was born the simplest living organisms in the shape of bacteria and single cell organisms. From this common origin of both plants and animals was developed two types of microscopic organisms. The first type gave birth to all plants while the second type developed into animals. The first of these primitive organisms is thought to have come to exist around 2.7 billion years ago. All these organisms originated from water then gradually developed into more complex living creatures that moved to land. This fact is also started in the Quran
Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
It is indeed interesting, and along the same lines, to note that it was found that all liquid in our bodies ( blood, saliva, tears, sweat?.etc ) contain the same percentage of salt as is found in the oceans.
From the early organisms that moved to land developed the first reptiles around 200 million years ago. The first birds flew around 130 million years ago and the first man, Homo Habilis, walked on earth one million years ago. The first Homo Sapiens, who are thought of as our direct ancestors, walked on earth a mere 15, 000 years ago.
Today, when human tissue is analysed, it is found to contain exactly the same eighteen most abundant elements in the earth's crust. These are
Oxygen, Silicon, Aluminium, Iron, Calcium, Sodium, Potassium, Magnesium, Hydrogen, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Phosphorous, Lead, Copper, Silver, Carbon and Zinc.
The Quran very accurately instates that fact with the following words
We created the human being from a certain kind of mud.
The fact that we are created from clay is indeed mentioned in the Scripture preceding the Quran, however, it is the word 'sulalah' which literally means (an active representative sample) that includes the biological fact that coincides with modern knowledge.However it was all programmed to come as different species by the Intelligent designer.Through DNA codes. Just the same as you come from one single cell,then develop into a grown human with different organs of different functions.
Praise be to GOD the creator of everything.
GOD bless.
Peace to you.
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Peace Virtueorvice.
Evolution is a GOD guided process.
My understanding and yours may not be as far as you think.The water that condensed at the early stages of the development of the earth and formed the seas oceans mixed with the dirt to form mud. Out of the molding mud was born the simplest living organisms in the shape of bacteria and single cell organisms. From this common origin of both plants and animals was developed two types of microscopic organisms. The first type gave birth to all plants while the second type developed into animals. The first of these primitive organisms is thought to have come to exist around 2.7 billion years ago. All these organisms originated from water then gradually developed into more complex living creatures that moved to land. This fact is also started in the Quran
Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
It is indeed interesting, and along the same lines, to note that it was found that all liquid in our bodies ( blood, saliva, tears, sweat?.etc ) contain the same percentage of salt as is found in the oceans.
From the early organisms that moved to land developed the first reptiles around 200 million years ago. The first birds flew around 130 million years ago and the first man, Homo Habilis, walked on earth one million years ago. The first Homo Sapiens, who are thought of as our direct ancestors, walked on earth a mere 15, 000 years ago.
Today, when human tissue is analysed, it is found to contain exactly the same eighteen most abundant elements in the earth's crust. These are
Oxygen, Silicon, Aluminium, Iron, Calcium, Sodium, Potassium, Magnesium, Hydrogen, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Phosphorous, Lead, Copper, Silver, Carbon and Zinc.
The Quran very accurately instates that fact with the following words
We created the human being from a certain kind of mud.
The fact that we are created from clay is indeed mentioned in the Scripture preceding the Quran, however, it is the word 'sulalah' which literally means (an active representative sample) that includes the biological fact that coincides with modern knowledge.However it was all programmed to come as different species by the Intelligent designer.Through DNA codes. Just the same as you come from one single cell,then develop into a grown human with different organs of different functions.
Praise be to GOD the creator of everything.
GOD bless.
Peace to you.
I wrongly thought that you think God has placed each species directly from the heavens upon the earth. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Peace Virtueorvice.
Of course I believe in evolution within each species. Gradual change to adapt as life progresses.
That is different from one species becoming another.
If you are saying one species has become another, then bring us proof, or show us an intermediate species?
Peace Jafar
Definition of a human You are a human.
If you are an "ape" and I am conversing with you, then I am wrong!
Definition of " its own" One species does not change to another! Example,a dog does not become a sheep?
Peace to you both.
On species WHAT IS A SPECIES?
Everything gradually change overtime, yes it's everything, including the planet the star, the galaxies, the carbon and non-carbon based being that live in the planet etc..
For the carbon and celluloid based being that live in the planet, they invented a category called "Species".
One "Species" does and can evolve into multitude of "Species".
The exact definition of "WHAT IS A SPECIES" is a hot debate at the moment.The example of "Dog become a sheep" is irrelevant, it is like saying "Muhammad Ali become Michael Jackson".
BUT.. A species within dinosaur family does evolve to become birds of today.The question should be "Who is the common ancestor of Dog and Sheep?"
This is as relevant as "Who is the common ancestor of Muhammad Ali and Michael Jackson?"ON DEFINITION OF HUMAN.
Be more clear and concise on the matter, if it's merely ability to communicate, then see this, Gorilla can communicate with Human through sign language.http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GorgFtCqPEs
Does that makes human and gorilla as "ONE SPECIES"?
Salam / Peace
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Peace Jafar.
Thank you for your comments.
Please read post 104. You may or may not agree.
In short Evolution is a GOD guided process.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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In short Evolution is a GOD guided process.
GOD bless you.OF COURSE IT IS, AS ALL ASPECT OF LIFE! (not only evolution)
Your hair will not fall if it's not in accordance to the Will of "Master of All Universes".
In scientific lingo God is known by the word Nature.
Law Of Nature, Nature Dictate Evolution etc... which is actually one of the same thing..The root cause of all of this 'rejection' of "Evolution" from specific group of people is not on the "Evolution" itself.
But more due to the Assyrian/Babylonian originated Myth of ADAM and EVE in EDEN, as told in the book of Genesis which they 100% believe as all fact!
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Peace, Jafar.
In scientific lingo God is known by the word Nature.
Law Of Nature, Nature Dictate Evolution etc... which is actually one of the same thing..I just got a chance to check out this thread, and I have a view similar to the idea that you convey in your post ALLAH (God) is synonymous with Nature, the Universe, energy, etc. Many people tend to disagree with this notion, however, because they perceive God as being personal. The Qur'aan appears to support the idea of ALLAH being a personal god as well, due to him communicating with people; sending prophets and messengers; sitting on a throne (whether this is a literal or symbolic 'throne' carrying out forms of justice; authoring books; being described as "merciful", "knowing", "wise", etc.
Do you believe that the Biblical and Qur'aanic depictions of God are correct? Do you believe that God is personal, in the sense that the Universe is interactive in our affairs (e.g. such as the notion proposed with the "law of attraction" concept)?
The root cause of all of this 'rejection' of "Evolution" from specific group of people is not on the "Evolution" itself.
But more due to the Assyrian/Babylonian originated Myth of ADAM and EVE in EDEN, as told in the book of Genesis which they 100% believe as all fact!
And the myth do not fit to the way evolution works..I agree with you on this point, at least for the most part... I think there are some people who reject the concept of evolution, via natural selection, because they don't want to be linked and compared to "mere animals". Humans are naturally egotistical, and they tend to hold themselves 'above' every other species and aspect of existence. Therefore, when scientists propose the idea that we are all apes, some people become offended.
Also, some people look at the complexity of life, and they determine that humans (and even some animals) are far too complex to have stemmed from a single-celled organism. These people often don't understand how evolution works, and they tend to make references to the implausibility of "an ape giving birth to a human" - which actually isn't how the evolutionary process works at all.
Again, many of them reject it because they don't understand it. I do believe that many (if not most) of the people who reject the notion of evolution do so due to the Biblical "Adam and Eve" story. However, this isn't the reason all of them reject it, and I think the root problem ultimately stems from the egotistical nature of humans, who refuse to be "lowered" to the level of animals, rather than the mythological Biblical story.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace, Jafar.
I just got a chance to check out this thread, and I have a view similar to the idea that you convey in your post ALLAH (God) is synonymous with Nature, the Universe, energy, etc. Many people tend to disagree with this notion, however, because they perceive God as being personal. The Qur'aan appears to support the idea of ALLAH being a personal god as well, due to him communicating with people; sending prophets and messengers; sitting on a throne (whether this is a literal or symbolic 'throne' carrying out forms of justice; authoring books; being described as "merciful", "knowing", "wise", etc.
Do you believe that the Biblical and Qur'aanic depictions of God are correct? Do you believe that God is personal, in the sense that the Universe is interactive in our affairs (e.g. such as the notion proposed with the "law of attraction" concept)?
First, we need to trace the background on how this mindset of "personality" and it's opposite "non-personality" came into existence within human mindset.
Human is an arrogant species, they think high of themselves and they always think that they are above 'others'.
They only see others of their own kind as "personal" and deserve 'their respect', well as matter of fact some of them used to think that some of their own species are not "personal" and enslaved them.
In absolute reality "personal" and "non-personal" do not exist, it only exist within human arrogant mindset.
Thus the question of whether God is "personal" or "non-personal" can be answered with God is BOTH and MORE...
I agree with you on this point, at least for the most part... I think there are some people who reject the concept of evolution, via natural selection, because they don't want to be linked and compared to "mere animals". Humans are naturally egotistical, and they tend to hold themselves 'above' every other species and aspect of existence. Therefore, when scientists propose the idea that we are all apes, some people become offended.
Well said,
In absolute reality, human are animals, human are mammals and human are primates.Also, some people look at the complexity of life, and they determine that humans (and even some animals) are far too complex to have stemmed from a single-celled organism. These people often don't understand how evolution works, and they tend to make references to the implausibility of "an ape giving birth to a human" - which actually isn't how the evolutionary process works at all.
Again, many of them reject it because they don't understand it. I do believe that many (if not most) of the people who reject the notion of evolution do so due to the Biblical "Adam and Eve" story. However, this isn't the reason all of them reject it, and I think the root problem ultimately stems from the egotistical nature of humans, who refuse to be "lowered" to the level of animals, rather than the mythological Biblical story.
Evolution happened to everything in this universe.
And a species called human makes up very very very tiny winy small part of it...
Whether they reject or accept such fact is irrelevant.. as irrelevant as their presence on this universe.Salam / Peace
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I don't think Evolution theory should be labeled a theory.. how do we falsify it? It is still a hypothesis.
Ignoring that, Darwinian evolution is not possible.
It breaks two laws of science.
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The law of Biogenesis - Life comes from life. The idea that life came from some "primordial soup" is ridiculous. Do you guys know how complex even the simplest unicellular organism is? Natural processes cannot accomplish this. This is why all these multiverse theories are popping up, even with the vastness of our universe it is extremely unlikely for life to come about in this manner, so now they say "well there could be an infinite amount of universes and our universe is one of the few(perhaps only) with life."
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The 2nd law of thermodynamics - You can't get order from disorder only greater disorder.
Then you have the chirality problem, orphan genes.. the list goes on.
This article is very informative and relatively easy to understand
http//www.newgeology.us/presentation32.htmlAnd here's one highlighting just how flaky the "theory" is given evidence from the Cambrian explosion.
http//www.evolutionnews.org/2012/05/more_problems_w059921.htmlI guess divinely guided evolution is possible but I don't see the evidence for it.
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The law of Biogenesis - Life comes from life. The idea that life came from some "primordial soup" is ridiculous.
Salamun Alaikum Brother.
The so called "ridiculous" idea appears to be also supported by the Qur'an statements like every creature was created from water (2445) or humans were created from clay (2312).
The idea that Qur'an supports the theory of evolution is supported widely even in some cases by traditionalists. For example you may check the site below
http//www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur'an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm
Best regards,
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Peace,
There is noting ridiculous about that. Of course God had to make a trap for those who do not have faith so that they believe in natural evolution through natural selection. There is still logical fallacies to why everything could just seem to know how to assemble. God is required no matter how you twist and turn it.
And evolution is true and science proves it too so we cannot deny the phenomenon. It just renders God even more amazing when reflecting upon nature, evolution and the universe.
God bless you
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There is noting ridiculous about that. Of course God had to make a trap for those who do not have faith so that they believe in natural evolution through natural selection.
Natural selection or God's selection it doesn't matter as the selection was, is and will happen.
For human, herewith the 'law', the 'criteria' to be selected.
"Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth."
-- Matt 55Meek = lowly, loving, humble, gentle, peaceful.
The opposite those who are proud, harsh, hating, warmonger, oppressor shall become extinct and shall not inherit the earth.
Salam / Peace