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    san
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    brother do you even know what placebo effect is it works only if you make a person believe he is taking medicine but you are not giving him medicines but other sugar pills etc

    May not be necessary. Please read http//www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-addiction/201101/even-when-you-know-its-fake-the-strength-the-placebo-effect

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      Student_of_Allah
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      May not be necessary. Please read http//www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-addiction/201101/even-when-you-know-its-fake-the-strength-the-placebo-effect

      Salam,

      I am personally well aware of this. Its due to the fact that I cure all my illness with "oranges". Believe it or not. Having oranges when I am sick cures me. After growing up and learning how my body and brain functions, I understood that the orange does not do any thing apart from telling my antivirus that I should be taken care of , lol. I know very well that the orange is meaningless, still, all my physical problems are solved after eating oranges. For me that is enough as a proof. And obviously scientists agree.

      however, I want to investigate further into the use of homeopathy on animals. And demand explanations for the questions I raised above in the previous posts.

      PEACE
      ------------------ Student of Allah

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        drsam
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        SALAM

        the homoeopathy clearly states that it just activates body's own defense system to fight against disease after it failed first on its own

        and what about nano technology link i gave you did you read it

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          Student_of_Allah
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          Salam brother for taking the time to answer )

          the homoeopathy clearly states that it just activates body's own defense system to fight against disease after it failed first on its own

          So its not "homeopathy" its my orranges. lol, no its not orranges ether, its placebo.

          and what about nano technology link i gave you did you read it

          Yes, I am very much excited about it. However, its not a conclusive research. Was there any double blind experiment performed ? Was their work replicated by scientists around the globe and it came up with same results ? If not, then I can base no argument based on this "hypothesis".

          Do you know Jacques Benveniste ? He and his team of French National Institute of Health and Medical Research (INSERM) demonstrated in their lab that water had memory. They were very much excited and all the Homeopaths around the world were happy D But on cross examination, double blind experiment with "plain water vs diluted homepathic medicine" they failed. The guy even lost respect in the scientific community for this. So, now mu question is, since you are involved in the field, can you show me where in the scientific community this IIT finding has been confirmed and placed in the scientific hall of fame ?

          Thanks
          May Allah reward you for your sharing of knowledge

          ---------------- Student of Allah

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            san
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            Salam,

            I am personally well aware of this. Its due to the fact that I cure all my illness with "oranges". Believe it or not. Having oranges when I am sick cures me. After growing up and learning how my body and brain functions, I understood that the orange does not do any thing apart from telling my antivirus that I should be taken care of , lol. I know very well that the orange is meaningless, still, all my physical problems are solved after eating oranges. For me that is enough as a proof. And obviously scientists agree.

            Well, I think oranges are much less meaningless than sugar pills but yes D

            however, I want to investigate further into the use of homeopathy on animals. And demand explanations for the questions I raised above in the previous posts.

            PEACE
            ------------------ Student of Allah

            I'm interested too )

            (Could it be that animals are sentient enough to feel the 'warmth/intention' of the healers? Serious question about consciousness here)

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              Student_of_Allah
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              Peace,

              hmm.. it could be. But I am not sure, I have to read and only after verifying I may come back and comment on that.

              Peace

              By the way, We are still waiting to hear about the memory retention of water and dilution of cosmic levels , arent we ?

              ------------ Student of Allah

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                drsam
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                water is one of the most amazing chemicals whose complete properties and not yet know and which are known

                are reverse of other chemicals e.g. it increases in size when forzen or in solid state reverse of others

                so it is still many things unexplainable about it and the thing you said about memory theory is still a theory like theory of evolution no proof but many believe it it may be or may not be true

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                  Student_of_Allah
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                  water is one of the most amazing chemicals whose complete properties and not yet know and which are known

                  are reverse of other chemicals e.g. it increases in size when forzen or in solid state reverse of others

                  so it is still many things unexplainable about it and the thing you said about memory theory is still a theory like theory of evolution no proof but many believe it it may be or may not be true

                  Salam brother,

                  water is one of the most amazing chemicals whose complete properties and not yet known
                  Science does not know EVERYTHING about ANYTHING, let alone, EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING. But how does that justify a belief in homeopathic dilutions ? I probably made the mistake of calling it a theory when it is a belief of the homeopaths based on subjective cases, not a rigorous scientific test.

                  memory theory is still a theory like theory of evolution no proof but many believe it it may be or may not be true

                  First of all, let me clarify again, it is "I" who accidentally called it a theory, not scientific communities. ( Can you please provide links to any sources where this memory of water is considered even as a theory in the house of science ?) As far as I know, it is a hypothesis at best. We can not dare compare it with evolution. The tree of life predicted by all branches of biology overlaps each other, that is a proof. The fossil records are proofs. Observable micro-evolution are proofs of macro evolution. The variation of species based on the geographic distribution are proofs. Probably the variation of the skin complexion of the members of this website is a proof that one can immediately see.

                  What proof do we have for the memory of water ? It works just as much as "faith healing". Before one even makes a hypothesis about memory of water, one must stop and ask himself that if water does have memory, why will the water forget about the time it was passing through the bladders of our fore fathers ? Why is there no difference between homeopathic water and normal water under scientific double blind tests ?

                  Take no offence, its just that discussions done in a healthy fashion can be enlightening )

                  --------------------- Student of Allah

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                    youssef4342
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                    I personally believe in alternative medicine!
                    www.Mercola.com is a very good site!

                    Modern medicine cares about making profits, not curing people. Actually sometimes the drugs that is deemed as "medicine" are actually cause more diseases, such is the case with some cancer drugs!

                    *take Garlic & ginger & chilli (capsium)= anti bacterial, anti-viral, anti-fungal
                    *Flaxseeds= omega 3 = fight inflammation = cause of many diseases
                    *Extra virgin olive oil, every cell of your body has a lipid bilayer, which is made of fat, (Olive oil is i would say the best fat for humans, = fruit juice of olive = God compares it to fuel for light in the quran)
                    *Coffee enemas = encourage Glutathion production = one of the strongest anti-oxidents
                    *Avoid dental amalgams= mercury = most toxic metal on the periodic table, and doctors put it in your mouth and say it's safe!
                    *Avoid hydrogenated fats = man made fats! yikes!
                    *Avoid High fructose corn syrup = puts load on liver, raises triglycerides
                    *Pepper and grapfruit juice hinder your liver filteration

                    *because God's natural creations have healing in them =]

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                      Abdul-Hadi
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                      Greetings and Peace, all group

                      I'd have to side with Richard Dawkins on this one

                      "There is no alternative medicine. There is only medicine that works and medicine that doesn't work."

                      Some things work (such as neti pots). Other things harm, especially if substituted for an available effective treatment.

                      Mainstream medicine does not have a lock on knowledge; there are still things to learn from homeopathic medicine. A thousand years from now, ISA, we'll all look like barbarians.

                      ALLAH knows best.

                      peace

                      ~Abdul-Hadi

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                        Student_of_Allah
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                        I personally believe in alternative medicine!
                        www.Mercola.com is a very good site!

                        Modern medicine cares about making profits, not curing people. Actually sometimes the drugs that is deemed as "medicine" are actually cause more diseases, such is the case with some cancer drugs!

                        *take Garlic & ginger & chilli (capsium)= anti bacterial, anti-viral, anti-fungal
                        *Flaxseeds= omega 3 = fight inflammation = cause of many diseases
                        *Extra virgin olive oil, every cell of your body has a lipid bilayer, which is made of fat, (Olive oil is i would say the best fat for humans, = fruit juice of olive = God compares it to fuel for light in the quran)
                        *Coffee enemas = encourage Glutathion production = one of the strongest anti-oxidents
                        *Avoid dental amalgams= mercury = most toxic metal on the periodic table, and doctors put it in your mouth and say it's safe!
                        *Avoid hydrogenated fats = man made fats! yikes!
                        *Avoid High fructose corn syrup = puts load on liver, raises triglycerides
                        *Pepper and grapfruit juice hinder your liver filteration

                        *because God's natural creations have healing in them =]

                        Salam,
                        As Abdul-Hadi pointed out, there is no alternative medicine, there is only medicine that works and medicne that doesnt work. The reason many naturally occurring plants/herbs/fruits/etc help us medicinally is because they contain the active ingredients that our body needs to heal it self. That is a scientific judgement, not alternative to science. What science has done is to single out the active ingredient and use that when you need it , thus being more robust and effective in treating the ill. Your opinion of modern medicine is applicable to almost every product on the shelve. Its more about the money than the function of the product. But that has nothing to do with the science behind modern medicine.

                        I liked how you pointed out that God's natural creatons have healing in them. Let me add to it
                        961 Read in the name of your Lord who has created.
                        962 He created man from an embryo.
                        963 Read, and your Lord is the Generous One.
                        964 The One who taught by the pen.
                        965 He taught man what he did not know.

                        Thus we read to learn from Allah about more cures of illness that he planted on his creations and come up with better cures everyday ) Pointing out to only fruits and vegetables when it comes to medical cure for the sake of God's natural cure system is similar to pointing out only stones and tree wood when it comes to architecture and engineering.

                        Allah surely knows best.

                        PEACE BE ON YOU

                        ------------------------------ Student of Allah

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                          youssef4342
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                          Verily indeed!
                          God's is the best creator, and from my ideology, we should go after natural products for healing, since he created them for us!
                          *thus Man made products are inferior, While God's are superior!

                          "You do not see any imperfection in the Almighty's creation..." (674)

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