What happens to unbelievers?
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Peace,
I know what the Qur'an says about them. However, this is for those that have received the message and choose to disregard it. What of those that never heard the message? I know that the idea of monotheism is supposed to be natural for every human being. I know that God sends messengers all over the world, but what about those that have had no warner in their time? For example, let's take Korea. They were under Buddhism/Confucianism for many centuries and then Christianity came in the late 1800s. There was no Islam that reached Korea and even today many Koreans have no idea what Islam is.
Also, what of those people that are detracted from Islam because of what they perceive to be Islam is what the Sunnis/Shias follow? If they read the Quran by certain translations, it may put them off. Are they doomed as well?
Peace
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Peace,
I know what the Qur'an says about them. However, this is for those that have received the message and choose to disregard it. What of those that never heard the message? I know that the idea of monotheism is supposed to be natural for every human being. I know that God sends messengers all over the world, but what about those that have had no warner in their time? For example, let's take Korea. They were under Buddhism/Confucianism for many centuries and then Christianity came in the late 1800s. There was no Islam that reached Korea and even today many Koreans have no idea what Islam is.
Also, what of those people that are detracted from Islam because of what they perceive to be Islam is what the Sunnis/Shias follow? If they read the Quran by certain translations, it may put them off. Are they doomed as well?
Peace
Peace be unto you,
"Surely We have sent thee with the truth good tidings to bear, and warning; not a nation there is, but there has passed away in it a warner." Surah 3524
Every nation has been given the Truth, but all are corrupted by those who inherited His Books.
"And We cut them up into twelve tribes (asbatan), nations (omaman) . And We revealed to Moses, when his people asked him for water 'Strike with thy staff the rock'; and there gushed forth from it twelve fountains all the people knew now their drinking-place. And We outspread the cloud to overshadow them, and We sent down manna and quails upon them 'Eat of the good things wherewith We have supplied you.' And they worked no wrong upon Us, but themselves they wronged." Surah 7160
"Say you 'We believe in God, and in that which has been sent down on us and sent down on Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob, and the Tribes (waal-asbati), and that which was given to Moses and Jesus and the Prophets, of their Lord; we make no division between any of them, and to Him we surrender.'" Surah 2136
"Or do you say, "Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob, and the Tribes (waal-asbata) -- they were Jews, or they were Christians"?' Say 'Have you then greater knowledge, or God? And who does greater evil than he who conceals a testimony received from God? And God is not heedless of the things you do.'" Surah 2140
"Say 'We believe in God, and that which has been sent down on us, and sent down on Abraham and Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob, and the Tribes (waal-asbati), and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and the Prophets, of their Lord; we make no division between any of them, and to Him we surrender.'" Surah 384
Even in the Books attributed to the Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, etc., you will find the teachings of service to a Supreme Creator.
May Allah make our feet firm on the righteous path.
Peace and blessings.
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Peace raging,
I am well aware of those versus. Sorry but I cannot find the verse, but there is a verse that states that they (Arabs) never received a warner before and that Muhammad was their messenger. So what happens to those prior to Muhammad that didn't have a messenger sent to them?
What of Aad and Thamud prior to their messenger? I also see the true message in the world's major religions. I wonder, what of those in the Amazon?
I remember reading from someone that God judges us according to what we are given. But I take it from the Quran that shirk, even among Amazonians, will never be forgiven. How many of us really do not commit shirk?
Peace
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Peace raging,
I am well aware of those versus. Sorry but I cannot find the verse, but there is a verse that states that they (Arabs) never received a warner before and that Muhammad was their messenger. So what happens to those prior to Muhammad that didn't have a messenger sent to them?
As Muhammad (pbuh) was the Messenger to the unlearned people, then their Messenger was sent. But prior to the Quran, they were not given any Books to study nor were they given a warner. They adopted the teachings of those around them, be they Yahud, Nazarene/Sabine, Magian, or Byzantine pagan.
?We have not given them any Books to study, nor have We sent them before thee any warner.? Surah 3444
Muhammad did not know what was the Book, so he could not know the teachings of the Bible Surah 4252, 2151, 123, 7157-158, 2948, 622, 16103, 4113, 323, 366
?And certainly We know that they say Only a mortal teaches him. The tongue of him whom they reproach is barbarous, and this is clear Arabic tongue.? Surah 16103Ummi/Illiterate means ?No Knowledge of the Book?. Surah 278, 320, 375, 7157-158, 622
?But if they dispute with you, say I have submitted myself entirely to Allah and every one who follows me; and say to those who have been given the Book and the Unlearned people (waal-ommiyyeena) Do you submit yourselves? So if they submit then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, then upon you is only the delivery of the message and Allah sees the servants.? Surah 320Allah states every nation had a warner. With the advent of Muhammad's people, this was a tribe that sprung out of the nations before; a mix of Nasi and Jinn and not the separate bloodlines of previous nations Nabatea.
Remember, Allah has guided since Adam (pbuh), and each nation destroyed had a successor who lived in the lands afterwards.?We destroyed the generations before you when they did evil, and their Messengers came to them with the clear signs, but they would not believe; so We recompense the people of the sinners.Then We appointed you successors in the earth after them, that We might behold how you would do.? Surah 1013-14
?Is it not a guidance to those who inherit the earth after those who inhabited it that, did We will, We would smite them because of their sins, sealing their hearts so they do not hear?? Surah 7100
?Is it not a guidance to them, how many generations We destroyed before them in whose dwelling-places they walk? Surely in that are signs for men possessing reason.? Surah 20128
? Is it not a guidance to them, how many generations We destroyed before them in whose dwelling-places they walk? Surely in that are signs; what, will they not hear?
Have they not seen how We drive the water to the dry land and bring forth crops therewith whereof their cattle and themselves eat? What, will they not see?? Surah 3226-27?And warn mankind of the day when the chastisement comes on them, And those who did evil shall say, 'Our Lord, defer us to a near term, and we will answer Thy call, and follow the Messengers.' 'Ah, but did you not swear aforetime there should be no removing for you?
And you dwelt in the dwelling-places of those who wronged themselves, and it became clear to you how We did with them, and how We struck similitudes for you.? Surah 1444-45If all human beings sprung from the joining of one couple, Allah would not make distinction between the bloodline of the Prophets (pbut), as we all would be from the seed of Adam (pbuh).
Those not of the line of Adam (pubh) are called Jinn in the Quran.Seed of Adam Surah 333, 684, 7172, 1958
The jinn are human beings.
Jinn are foreigners among Nasi Surah 6128-131, 2217, 3412-13, 738, 7179
'Ajam' ? ?Non-Arab? and ?Persian? Surah 16103, 4144, 26198
Roman-Persian wars Surah 302-4, 1051-5
Solomon?s Jinn in Quran Surah 2716-41, 3412-13
Solomon's Jinn in previous Books I Kings 513-17, II Chron. 217-18, II Chron. 44-6Jinn are Byzantines (Byzantine Roman-Catholic Christians) who accepted the Quran Surah 721-18
Jinn are Persians (Babylonian Talmud Yahudians) who accepted the Quran Surah 4629-30What of Aad and Thamud prior to their messenger? I also see the true message in the world's major religions. I wonder, what of those in the Amazon?
What about them?
I remember reading from someone that God judges us according to what we are given. But I take it from the Quran that shirk, even among Amazonians, will never be forgiven. How many of us really do not commit shirk?
How far have you looked into the religions of those who you believe are misguided?
Prior to the white man coming with their religion, the religions of the African Zulu, the Australian Aborigine, and the Native American could be based on Al-Islam in everything aspect. It wasn't until the corruption of their religion that they were led astray.
Proof is still found today among the native island tribes of New Zealand and their devotion to a Supreme Creator. A Christian website brought this information to lighthttp//creation.com/maori-memories-of-the-creator
"The priests had knowledge of a Supreme Being named Io (pronounced Ee?or). Io has more than 12 titles, each describing an attribute.
Io nui?Io, the Supreme. Greater than all other gods.
Io roa?Io, the everlasting. His Being is eternal, he will never die.
Io matua?Io, the parent. He is the parent of the heavens, worlds, clouds, animals, cosmos, etc. He is over all, and is the parent of all things, including man.
Io matua te kore?Io, the parentless. He has no beginning, no brothers, sisters, etc.
Io take take?Io, the original. Io is permanent and enduring.
Io matangaro?Io, the hidden face. He cannot be seen anywhere by his Creation.
Io matanui?Io, the many eyed. All things are seen and observed by Him.
Io te toi o nga rangi?Io, the crown of heaven. He is the highest of the 12 heavens, beyond him there is nothing.
Io te wananga?Io, the source of knowledge.
Io te pukenga?Io, the source of all thought.
Io mataaho?Io, the radiant.
Io te whiwhia?Io, the giver of all."Where have I heard these names before? D
All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all beings!Gary Miller is a Professor of Mathematics who reverted to Al-Islam from Christianity, and upholds the ideals of critical thinking and evidence-based research. He discusses the history of Religion, even speaking on the Kapauku tribe discovered in the Amazon. He provides resources for further research.
History of Religion - dialogues of Gary Miller
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pd3QWRf5TMI can give you all the answers Allah has given me, but a person needs to seek knowledge themselves.
Here are a few resources. Study the Quran diligently, and do not depend on my opinion.
May Allah increase us in knowledge.May Allah guide us closer to the Truth.
Peace and blessings.
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Peace raging,
That as a beautiful dialogue. I was just using the Amazonians as an example (shouldve chose my words more carefully), but I am aware of such things in other religions. What I am not sure about is how, while many religions do believe in Allah, they commit shirk (saints, clergyman, etc.). The Meccan's believed in Allah but did so by committing shirk and those that continued such practices till death are doomed.
When I asked about Aad and Thamud I was referring to those that had lived in those areas prior to their messenger.
Peace
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Peace raging,
That as a beautiful dialogue. I was just using the Amazonians as an example (shouldve chose my words more carefully), but I am aware of such things in other religions. What I am not sure about is how, while many religions do believe in Allah, they commit shirk (saints, clergyman, etc.). The Meccan's believed in Allah but did so by committing shirk and those that continued such practices till death are doomed.
The Quran gives descriptions of how people commit shirk.
Types of idols
Statues of gods Surah 251, 2151-53
Other gods Surah 4117
'Chosen races' Surah 6100
Children Surah 7190
Prophets Surah 379, 572, 7194, 1018, 1620-21, 18102
Ego Surah 1422, 2543, 4523
Property Surah 1832-44
Upholding religious sources other than the Word of Allah Surah 548-50, 619, 73
Religious leaders and scholars Surah 931
Creating sects in religion Surah 3031-32
Dividing believers and providing comfort to those who oppose God and His messengers Surah 9107Idolators follow conjecture Surah 6148
Idolators deny idol worship, now and on the Day of Judgment Surah 622-24When I asked about Aad and Thamud I was referring to those that had lived in those areas prior to their messenger.
"And to Ad their brother Hood; he said, 'O my people, serve God! You have no god other than He; you are but forgers." Surah 1150
"They said, 'Hood, thou hast not brought us a clear sign, and we will not leave our gods for what thou sayest; we do not believe thee." Surah 1153
"And remember the brother of Ad, when he warned his people beside the sand-dunes -- and already warners had passed away alike before him and behind him -- saying, 'Serve none but God! Truly I fear for you the chastisement of a dreadful day." Surah 4621"They said, 'Salih, thou hast hitherto been a source of hope among us. What, dost thou forbid us to serve that our fathers served? Truly we are in doubt, concerning what thou callest us to, disquieting.'" Surah 1162
"So fear you God, and obey you me; and obey not the commandment of the prodigal who do corruption in the earth, and set not things aright.'" Surah 26150-152
"And We sent to Thamood their brother Salih 'Serve you God!' And behold, they were two parties, that were disputing one with another. He said, 'O my people, why do you seek to hasten evil before good? Why do you not ask forgiveness of God? Haply so you will find mercy.'" Surah 2745-46
"Now in the city there were nine persons who did corruption in the land, and put not things right; they said, 'Swear you, one to another, by God, "We will attack him and his family by night, then we will tell his protector, We were not witnesses of the destruction of his family; and assuredly we are truthful men."' And they devised a device, and We likewise devised a device, while they were not aware; and behold, how was the end of their device! For We destroyed them and their people all together." Surah 2748-51
"As for Thamood, We guided them, but they preferred blindness above guidance, so the thunderbolt of the chastisement of humiliation seized them for that they were earning." Surah 4117There's more descriptions given of Ad and Thamud's transgressions in the Quran.
There is a linear description given of the people, their cities, and the Messengers sent to the nations within Nabatea - Arabia Petraea - and its surrounding area. All nations have heard Allah's Message. All nations were sent a warner.
Open your Quran read.Peace.