fairy tale vs myth
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The Jinn are human beings.
Jinn are Christians ? Byzantines ? who accepted the Quran Surah 721-18
Jinn are Yahudians ? Persians ? who accepted the Quran Surah 4629-30
Jew and Christian polytheists who lead astray Surah 2105, 2120, 2135, 2140, 367, 395, 3151, 3186, 582, 6106, 6137, 6161, 931-33, 10105, 16120, 2217, 981-6This type of "Aidid Saffar" metaphoric reading of the Quran has one very important aspect shared among its followers "never to take the complete range of verses in the Quran that deal with the subject - as that spoils the forced conclusions".
Here is just one verse, among many, that spoils the fun
728 'And we touched the heavens, but found it full of powerful guards and projectiles.'
729 'And we used to sit in it in places of listening, but anyone who sits now finds a projectile seeking him.'So, through forced metaphoric meaning, we have to accept the Byzantines and Persians had perfected space travel and were suffering from their ships being shot down! I guess Zakaria Schichin would be proud.
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...Now, you are more than welcome to believe in invisible fire spirits, and that Allah sculpted a man out of clay and made him come alive like Pinocchio, and that Prophets (pbut) were able to speak to birds in a Walt Disney fashion.
But don't expect me to believe it when there is no proof for it.Red highlight is from me.
1st See the link below and do not judge people hastily.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602536.msg280134#msg280134
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But hey, I'm the crazy one. Right?
You said it, I did not! ;D
Peace,
Khalil -
This type of "Aidid Saffar" metaphoric reading of the Quran has one very important aspect shared among its followers "never to take the complete range of verses in the Quran that deal with the subject - as that spoils the forced conclusions".
Here is just one verse, among many, that spoils the fun
728 'And we touched the heavens, but found it full of powerful guards and projectiles.'
729 'And we used to sit in it in places of listening, but anyone who sits now finds a projectile seeking him.'So, through forced metaphoric meaning, we have to accept the Byzantines and Persians had perfected space travel and were suffering from their ships being shot down! I guess Zakaria Schichin would be proud.
Allah repeats the messages for those who study. Let's go with the Byzantines first
"We have set in heaven constellations and decked them out fair to the beholders, and guarded them from every accursed Satan excepting such as listens by stealth -- and he is pursued by a manifest flame." Surah 1516-18
The entire book of Revelation - stated as revealed to John of Patmos after the time of Isa (pbuh) and before Muhammad (pbuh) - is littered with astrological references, showing their use of divination by using astronomy. It isn't a revelation, but a rewriting of what Allah revealed to the Prophets (pbut) intermixed with esoteric teachings.
Sagittarius Revelation 10
Then I saw another mighty angel coming down out of heaven. He was wrapped in a cloud and had a rainbow round his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like pillars of fire. He had a small scroll open in his hand. He put his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land.
The verse above is describing Sagittarius standing right through the middle of the traditional Zodiacal chart. At the winter solstice (December 21) the sun is positioned right in the face of Sagittarius, in his hands is a bow that surrounds his head (a rainbow is also known as the ?bow of the sky?). The cloud that is wrapped around Sagittarius represents the element Air (Gemini). His legs which are on fire (Sagittarius) create the symbol for Gemini; pillars. On either side of Gemini; his right foot sits in water, Cancer (Water element) and his left foot stands on land, Taurus (Earth element).
This interpretation of Revelation is no secret either, if you look at the Trump card, Temperance from the ever-popular Rider Waite Tarot deck, you will find an Angel figure (possibly androgynous), with a sun sign on his forehead, his right foot in the water and his left foot on land. It is no coincidence that the Trump card Temperance is attributed to the Zodiacal symbol Sagittarius.Gemini Revelation 11
This verse is describing the Zodiacal symbol Gemini, the narrator is not standing or sitting, the narrator is using his arms and hands to measure the temple and altar; Gemini?s body part is ?arms and hands?. The length of time that the prophecy takes is one thousand, two hundred and sixty days; if you divide 1260 by 3.5 you get 360 days, not a lunar or solar years, but perhaps degrees of a circle; just like the Zodiacal chart. If you travel around the Zodiacal Chart 1260 degrees from the Gemini solstice, you end up right at the top of the other solstice in front of Capricorn, the beast of the abyss. The three and a half years or circles has us exactly on the solstice or 21 December, if the solstice happens at say midday, then the bodies are raised again (three and a half days later) on December 25. The sending of presents to each other is the most famous present giving day in the world; Christmas. It is no surprise that the two witnesses of Revelation are described by the Zodiacal sign represented by two human beings as well as a number (11) that closely resembles two pillars.Virgo/Libra Equinox Revelation 12
Then a great and mysterious sight appeared in the sky. There was a woman, whose dress was the sun and who had the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was soon to give birth, and the pains and suffering of childbirth made her cry out.
Then another sign appeared in heaven an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who ?will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.? And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.The Revelation Chapter 12
The number of stars upon the Crown is a clear reference to the original twelve tribes of Israel; the children of Jacob in the Old Testament. As far as the Old Testament (and some of the New Testament) is concerned these is nothing more Royal than Jacob?s fourth son Judah; who was deemed to hold God?s royal sceptre; Judah will forever be known as the Royal Lion of the Old Testament. As far as the Zodiacal Chart is concerned, there is no more royal symbol than Leo; the resident king of the Zodiac.
The verse above is describing Virgo, just as Nut in Egyptian mythology is outstretched over the entire world, this verse has Virgo stretched out over the entire Zodiacal chart; lying from one end to the other. Her head sits under the Royal Star Regulus in Leo, represented by the crown. Virgo?s body lies over the rest of the symbols; her feet landing on Gemini (air); remembering that she comes out of the sky, which means that the symbol Cancer, the Zodiacal symbol attributed to the ?planet? moon rests neatly under her feet.
The sun on the woman?s dress provides a very specific seasonal insight; the sun reaches the top of Virgo?s dress approximately at the start of the Libran Equinox and it reaches the end of Virgo?s dress approximately at the traditional end of Libra (Time period 22 September ? 23 October). Libra?s body parts include the ovaries; hence the woman is experiencing child birth. Again 1260 days should be converted to degrees and if you swing around 3.5 circles you end up on the other side of the Zodiacal chart, this time Aries. The woman gives birth to a son, who will rule all nations?this is Jesus or the Lamb?Aries.Cancer & Capricorn Solstice Beasts Revelation 13
The water is a clear reference to the Zodiacal Beast Cancer, a water sign. The dragon is a composite of both Cancer and neighbouring Hydra. The seven heads represent the multi headed Hydra and the ten crowns represent the traditional ten limbs of a crab or Cancer. Cancer and Hydra are inexplicably linked in the story of Heracles; the Crab is in fact sent to help Hydra defeat Heracles. And sure enough, Hydra suffers a head wound and it grows back. Again, 42 months represents 3.5 circles from the Cancer Solstice, taking us right up to the opposite solstice; Capricorn. At this point Revelation 13 continues on to explain the Zodiacal symbol Capricorn.
This verse is describing the Zodiacal symbol Capricorn; the beast of the Zodiacal chart that has two horns like a lamb. Capricorn?s element is earth; the beast comes out of the earth. The reference to ?666? is merely a reference to those that worship gods on a Saturday or the Sabbath. They worship the Zodiacal beast Capricorn on Saturdays; confirmed by the planet attributed to Capricorn; Saturn, Saturday is also named after the planet. The most well known religious group that continues to worship on the Sabbath are Jews, their nation?s most recent incarnation formed in 1948 is represented by a stellated hexagon commonly known as the Star of David; a symbolic reference to the Old Testament patriarch King David. A stellated hexagon is formed with a six sided polygon with six vertices at its inner edges and another six vertices formed at its outer points. Its worth noting that recently a mysterious hexagon was photographed at the north polar vortex of Saturn, the image was discovered firstly by NASA? spacecraft Voyager 1 and was later photographed and confirmed by NASA and ESA?s spacecraft Cassini in 2006.Aries/Pisces/Pegasus Equinox Revelation 19
This verse is describing the Pisces/Aries Equinox; physically Pisces is attributed to the feet, in the verses they are symbolized with ?I fell at his feet to worship him, but he said to me "Don't do it!' Pisces is the binding element between the white horse of the sky Pegasus and Aries; Pisces rides the white horse as well as being positioned next to and perpendicular to Aries. The Ram is physically represented by the head and its element is fire which is symbolized by the phrase, ?His eyes were like a flame of fire'.
The Pisces/Aries Equinox is surrounded by two Royal Stars; Aldebaran of Taurus and Formalhaut of Pisces Austrinus (at the foot of Aqurius, hence the traditional spring equinox wears 'many crowns'. The Body of the angel that represents Pisces/Aries Equinox lays over the entire equinox just as the Virgo/Libra character does. The Head of the Angel is represented by the Aries half of the equinox (Aries - body part head) and the feet of the angel wraps around the entire Zodiacal chart finding its feet in the corresponding equinox symbol; Pisces. Therefore the angel stands on top of the horse Pegasus; the sun on Pisces at the equinox (20 March) and the sun exits Pisces and alights the White Horse at the end of Aries approximately at 20 April.Do you want more references from Revelation to show the use of astrological symbols taught by the esoteric mystery schools?
Thank you for pointing out how a person can believe in science, as you point out space travel, but then turn around and mock the idea of Jinn being humans. Which is odd because the people who 'perfected space travel and were shot down' were the Americans. Now there is the belief that the Quran contains layered meanings. Let's test this theory.
What nation is accepting Al-Islam in increasing numbers today? Surah 721
What nation is called a 'Christian Nation', because they believe the Messiah (pbuh) is the son of Allah, and his mother is called Mother of God? Surah 722-3
What nation does the nation of Israel, among other Middle Eastern countries, seek refuge, protection? Surah 725-6
What nation has a group of unbelievers who strive to go into space, striving to reach the moon, even other planets? Surah 727-8
What nation is founded by Freemasons? 729-10
Which nation is founded on religious freedom? Surah 7211
"And that some of us are those who submit, and some of us are the deviators; so whoever submits, these aim at the right way" Surah 7214So you run into a problem If you are striving to say that Jinn perfected space travel, then that shows Jinn are humans.
Allah knows best. )
You are more than welcome to uphold the belief Jinn are spiritual creatures, Layth.
I'm only saying I cannot because there is no proof of it.Peace.
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Some people here always post really long answers. They are requested to write pithily and to the point, so that everyone can follow the discussion.
When pithily is brought to bear, the accusation of allegory is laid.
What you see is the result of years of discussion on the deen of Al-Islam.
You have no obligation to read my words. Your only obligation is to study the Quran diligently.Peace.
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Red highlight is from me.
1st See the link below and do not judge people hastily.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602536.msg280134#msg280134
You also wrote "According to the verses below, among numerous other ones, humans & jinns are two completely different creations, both ESSENTIALLY & CHRONOLOGICALLY"
If humans are not the same thing at an 'essential' level, then Neanderthal and Homo Sapien DNA would be incompatible. Please explain to me what you mean by 'essentially' if they are not of the same nafs, same soul.
I am agreeing on the idea of an evolutionary divergence, but one guided by Allah not by freak chance.
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You said it, I did not! ;DI hear it a lot. "You are crazy!" "You are a madman!"
It must be true.Peace.
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Sure thing. )
Peace.
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You also wrote "According to the verses below, among numerous other ones, humans & jinns are two completely different creations, both ESSENTIALLY & CHRONOLOGICALLY"
If humans are not the same thing at an 'essential' level, then Neanderthal and Homo Sapien DNA would be incompatible. Please explain to me what you mean by 'essentially' if they are not of the same nafs, same soul.
I am agreeing on the idea of an evolutionary divergence, but one guided by Allah not by freak chance.
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You said it, I did not! ;DI hear it a lot. "You are crazy!" "You are a madman!"
It must be true.Peace.
Highlight above is from me.
I mean they are different in ESSENCE, made of two different substances, as we read in verse 712 below.
He said What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee? (Iblis) said I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.
Peace,
Khalil -
In accordance with Kukumber's wishes, reply given here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602536.msg281864#msg281864
I won't be responding further on this thread.
Peace.
