Fatal error (Quranites only)
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If you believe that Human history and such speeches and stuff are not really considered in Quran.
How did you know that Mohamed is the prophet of Quran...it was never mentioned in the Quran...It was just mentioned he is a Prophet of a book...which book? There are many books...and same goes with Moses...he was given the book not the Torah...who told you these books are the torah and Quran, history? do you put history back in the quran now??
This is a serious issue.
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Salam,
I am just posting this to troll around.
Once again, it feels like dealing with a young earth creationist who wouldn't read any book of science yet come to trash a scientific theory.
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It was never mentioned in Quran ?????? And you actually want me to believe you read the subject of criticism before you spoke ? Even teenage googelers can help you find out what you are looking for.
Having said that,
Please disregard everything that you find unpleasant in my post as I have already mentioned in the first sentence.Peace be on you, may Allah increase you in knowledge and guide you to the way of those who actually read.
----------------- Student of Allah
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Salam,
I am just posting this to troll around.
Once again, it feels like dealing with a young earth creationist who wouldn't read any book of science yet come to trash a scientific theory.
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It was never mentioned in Quran ?????? And you actually want me to believe you read the subject of criticism before you spoke ? Even teenage googelers can help you find out what you are looking for.
Having said that,
Please disregard everything that you find unpleasant in my post as I have already mentioned in the first sentence.Peace be on you, may Allah increase you in knowledge and guide you to the way of those who actually read.
----------------- Student of Allah
Quote me one verse (In Arabic please, Since the English translation of the Qur'an is deformed, in case you didn't know that)That it tells you that Mohamed is the Prophet of the Qur'an, but it was mentioned the prophet only.
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If you believe that Human history and such speeches and stuff are not really considered in Quran.
How did you know that Mohamed is the prophet of Quran...it was never mentioned in the Quran...It was just mentioned he is a Prophet of a book...which book? There are many books...and same goes with Moses...he was given the book not the Torah...who told you these books are the torah and Quran, history? do you put history back in the quran now??
This is a serious issue.
Excellent, well spotted. We know from the quran that Muhammad received what was descended upon him
47/2 And those who believed and did the righteous deeds, and believed with what was descended upon Muhammad, and it is the truth from their Lord, He covered/substituted from them their crimes, and He repaired their condition.
2/176 That is with that God descended the Book with the truth and indeed those who disputed in The Book are in far defiance.
So no, it does not say that Muhammad was the prophet of the quran, but whether you realize it or not, this is irrelevant. Nor does the quran affirm that taurat and injeel are actually books.
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Peace,
How did you know that Mohamed is the prophet of Quran...it was never mentioned in the Quran...It was just mentioned he is a Prophet of a book...which book?
3144 and not Muhammad only Messenger; certainly passed away from before him the Messengers.
3340 not is Muhammad father anyone of your men and but Messenger Allah and seal the Prophets.
472 and those who believe and do the righteous deeds, and believe in what revealed to Muhammad...
4829 Muhammad messenger Allah and those who with him firm against the unappreciative and (plural of merciful) among themselves?
1015 and when are recited to them our verses with clear proofs, said those who not hope meeting us "Come with Qur?an not this or change it.? Say, ?Not is for me that I change it of my own accord. Not I follow only what is revealed to me...
Use logical reasoning ? qul/say is directed to the messenger, seal the prophets to whom Qur?an was revealed.
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Peace,
3144 and not Muhammad only Messenger; certainly passed away from before him the Messengers.
3340 not is Muhammad father anyone of your men and but Messenger Allah and seal the Prophets.
472 and those who believe and do the righteous deeds, and believe in what revealed to Muhammad...
4829 Muhammad messenger Allah and those who with him firm against the unappreciative and (plural of merciful) among themselves?
1015 and when are recited to them our verses with clear proofs, said those who not hope meeting us "Come with Qur?an not this or change it.? Say, ?Not is for me that I change it of my own accord. Not I follow only what is revealed to me...
Use logical reasoning ? qul/say is directed to the messenger, seal the prophets to whom Qur?an was revealed.
I thought you were intelligent enough to find it out...Where does it actually say that Mohamed is the prophet of the Qur'an??? It just said he is a prophet...and this last Ayat, was just mentioning that the Qur'an is not fake and in it God was talking to some one...who he is? It is you...he Is talking to you and every believer who is reading the Qur'an...from these the prophet of the Qur'an, so again? Are you sure who is the prophet of the Qur'an?
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I thought you were intelligent enough to find it out...Where does it actually say that Mohamed is the prophet of the Qur'an??? It just said he is a prophet...and this last Ayat, was just mentioning that the Qur'an is not fake and in it God was talking to some one...who he is? It is you...he Is talking to you and every believer who is reading the Qur'an...from these the prophet of the Qur'an, so again? Are you sure who is the prophet of the Qur'an?
Use the brain IF THEN logic which differentiates humans from animals. IF a dog pursues a scent comes to a fork in the road and sniffs false the 1st, the dog will not reason IF NOT 1 THEN logically it must be 2 rather the dog will sniff the other route as well.
IF 3144 Muhammad is Messenger AND IF 3340 Muhammad is seal the Prophets
THEN every say is directed to person who is told to speak AND deliver Qur'an ...
1015 Say (i.e. Muhammad), ?Not is for me that I change it of my own accord.Peace
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I couldn't understand a word, sorry...Should you Interpret this to English?
Read the verses you have just said, who told you that the person who God wants him to say or tell the others that Not is for me that I change it of my own accord. Is really Mohamed???
Mohamed is Messenger...Moses is Messenger, Jesus is Messenger, Ahmed is Messenger.
Mohamed is Ahmed?? who told you? History? will you start putting Human told history on the Qur'an now?You can't/couldn't/ will not get me one single prove in the Qur'an that tells you who IS THE MESSENGER OF THIS QUR'AN, doesn't this indicates something???no? yes? Think logically now...
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I couldn't understand a word, sorry...
No need to be sorry, to ask questions to learn is OK for if one does not ask ignorant questions they?ll never get over being ignorant. Read carefully Qur?an and what is being posted to you instead of playing ignorant wanting details who was told to say, ?say? or reading hadith which tells you to kill puppies or cut the hand of a little girl for taking an egg ? what a miserable evil way of ?apes despised? deserving to be obliterated and cursed in this life and the next.
Qur'an was sent to the last prophet is clear; simply use the brain IF THEN logic, read in context of verses and Qur'an.
3144 and not certainly passed away from before him the messengers.
1015 and when are recited to them our verses with clear proofs, said those who not hope meeting us "Come with Qur?an not this or change it.? Say, ?Not is for me that I change it of my own accord. Not I follow only what is revealed to me...
3340 Not is father anyone of your men and but and seal/last the Prophets...
471-3 Those who disbelieve and turn away from way of Allah He will cause to be lost their deeds and those who believe and do the righteous deeds and believe in what revealed to and it the truth from their Lord...
4828-29 He the One Who sent His messenger with guidance and religion the true that He make it prevail over the religions all and sufficient is as Witness
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Muhammad is a nabii/prophet according to The Quran.
Muammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of God, and the Seal of the Prophets and God has full knowledge of all things.
"Seal of the Prophets" means, there will be not a messenger who's going to bring a new script ever. This is definitive truth. Since that The Quran is the latest script, Its messenger should be who called as "Muhammad" in Quran according itself.
Peace.
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If you believe that Human history and such speeches and stuff are not really considered in Quran.
How did you know that Mohamed is the prophet of Quran...it was never mentioned in the Quran...It was just mentioned he is a Prophet of a book...which book? There are many books...and same goes with Moses...he was given the book not the Torah...who told you these books are the torah and Quran, history? do you put history back in the quran now??
This is a serious issue.
You're right
Isa said a messenger comes after me and heis name is AHMED , if the quran came after ISA, than the messenger who brought the quran is AHMED and not Muhammed
there is a verse where chronology makes ILYAS after ISA, than why not ILYAS is the one who bought the Quran, and AHMED didn't even come yet
MUHAMED is the SEAL , doesn't always means the cloture , and it definitely doesn't mean the last, because the last in arabic is Al AKHIR.
domr proplr even say that Muhamed didn't come yet, the whole history of hadith is a fabrication to distort the quran and the history, some say ahmed is the messenger to come. I personnaly have no clue about this , but I really believe that the last messenger is yet to come, muhamed or ahmed, there is no mahdi no Isa.
the quran is , some surates are torah, some are injeel , exemple , read surah HUD , you realise that it is a souarah of injeel in it's original form and words.
the quran came in stages, meaning, it took the whole history , part by part to evey generation for the book to be completed.
Allah knows best -
You're right
Isa said a messenger comes after me and heis name is AHMED , if the quran came after ISA, than the messenger who brought the quran is AHMED and not Muhammed
there is a verse where chronology makes ILYAS after ISA, than why not ILYAS is the one who bought the Quran, and AHMED didn't even come yet
MUHAMED is the SEAL , doesn't always means the cloture , and it definitely doesn't mean the last, because the last in arabic is Al AKHIR.
domr proplr even say that Muhamed didn't come yet, the whole history of hadith is a fabrication to distort the quran and the history, some say ahmed is the messenger to come. I personnaly have no clue about this , but I really believe that the last messenger is yet to come, muhamed or ahmed, there is no mahdi no Isa.
the quran is , some surates are torah, some are injeel , exemple , read surah HUD , you realise that it is a souarah of injeel in it's original form and words.
the quran came in stages, meaning, it took the whole history , part by part to evey generation for the book to be completed.
Allah knows bestOther way round. the Torah and Gospel are parts of Quran...well one of the 2 stories are right.
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If you believe that Human history and such speeches and stuff are not really considered in Quran.
How did you know that Mohamed is the prophet of Quran...it was never mentioned in the Quran...It was just mentioned he is a Prophet of a book...which book? There are many books...and same goes with Moses...he was given the book not the Torah...who told you these books are the torah and Quran, history? do you put history back in the quran now??
This is a serious issue.
Wow, this is the 1st time I see someone notice this point.
true, there is no proof that the quran is mohamed's book, nor the torah as moses's book, it's all the influence of the bible and hadith, both these two were written after the quran. and I believe they were both written to alter the meanings of the quran , and so far they made a huge success.the torah , the injeel, the quran, I believe they're all one book and the same, in the same language, wich is the quran tongue.
in the time of moses, he revealed and explaied his part, Isa also the same, as well as the messenger after ISa , Mohamed / Ahmed. and right now, the quran is revealing , because many people started to study it and understand and progress. maybe the quran isn't revealed yet, when we see all the confusion and misunderstandungs that are happening about this book. one thing is sure, the more you study, the more you progress and see things clearer.
other people say, the book is the same from adam to the last prophet, only, adam received a part, noah a part, abraham a part etc... until the last peophet received a few syrahs and verses to complete the whole book, thus, allah says , we revealed it in stages...
one more thing , torah is the quran incomplete, the injeel is the quran incomplete, the quran, is the torah completed, injeel completed .
what is more important is, Moses, Isa used to speak the quran tongue, and the hebrew language is a lie, just like the arabic modern language.
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MUHAMED is the SEAL , doesn't always means the cloture , and it definitely doesn't mean the last, because the last in arabic is Al AKHIR.
It is just an expression rather than literal. Like "seal" and "sealed" in English. Don't mix up such things like that with purpose!
In old times, somehow these days, if you finish a letter, you have to seal it with your sign at end of it, not middle or beginning of the letter. "Seal of the prophets" means, God's scripture ends with Mohammad's revelation. I hope it is simple to understand by now.
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It is just an expression rather than literal. Like "seal" and "sealed" in English. Don't mix up such things like that with purpose!
In old times, somehow these days, if you finish a letter, you have to seal it with your sign at end of it, not middle or beginning of the letter. "Seal of the prophets" means, God's scripture ends with Mohammad's revelation. I hope it is simple to understand by now.
Then why didn't he say he is the Last prophet?no, the Seal in the Qur'an always has a subject...who can UNSEAL which he casted a seal on...like so Mohamed can UNSEAL the prophets again, which will bring a question, Is the word Mohamed int he Qur'an is used only for his name? or it has a concept over that?
Wow, this is the 1st time I see someone notice this point.
true, there is no proof that the quran is mohamed's book, nor the torah as moses's book, it's all the influence of the bible and hadith, both these two were written after the quran. and I believe they were both written to alter the meanings of the quran , and so far they made a huge success.the torah , the injeel, the quran, I believe they're all one book and the same, in the same language, wich is the quran tongue.
in the time of moses, he revealed and explaied his part, Isa also the same, as well as the messenger after ISa , Mohamed / Ahmed. and right now, the quran is revealing , because many people started to study it and understand and progress. maybe the quran isn't revealed yet, when we see all the confusion and misunderstandungs that are happening about this book. one thing is sure, the more you study, the more you progress and see things clearer.
other people say, the book is the same from adam to the last prophet, only, adam received a part, noah a part, abraham a part etc... until the last peophet received a few syrahs and verses to complete the whole book, thus, allah says , we revealed it in stages...
one more thing , torah is the quran incomplete, the injeel is the quran incomplete, the quran, is the torah completed, injeel completed .
what is more important is, Moses, Isa used to speak the quran tongue, and the hebrew language is a lie, just like the arabic modern language.
allah knows bestInteresting theory...need to know more how did you find this out FROM the Qur'an? lol.
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Very nteresting discussions you guys have.. luxbox13 I am looking forward to hear how you reached those conclusions.
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The Surah 47 bears the name Mohammad, which some translate The Prophet.
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You're right
Isa said a messenger comes after me and heis name is AHMED , if the quran came after ISA, than the messenger who brought the quran is AHMED and not Muhammed
there is a verse where chronology makes ILYAS after ISA, than why not ILYAS is the one who bought the Quran, and AHMED didn't even come yet
MUHAMED is the SEAL , doesn't always means the cloture , and it definitely doesn't mean the last, because the last in arabic is Al AKHIR.
domr proplr even say that Muhamed didn't come yet, the whole history of hadith is a fabrication to distort the quran and the history, some say ahmed is the messenger to come. I personnaly have no clue about this , but I really believe that the last messenger is yet to come, muhamed or ahmed, there is no mahdi no Isa.
the quran is , some surates are torah, some are injeel , exemple , read surah HUD , you realise that it is a souarah of injeel in it's original form and words.
the quran came in stages, meaning, it took the whole history , part by part to evey generation for the book to be completed.
Allah knows bestPeace, loxbox13. I really enjoy your posts, keep them coming!
I will say, I am certainly very open to the possibility that the final messenger has yet to come. Speaking from the heart, it seems that if the final messenger had already been, the world would be in a much better state than that in which it currently exists.
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I agree with the path of light, and yes, loxbox13, we enjoy very much all your posts, please write some more!
Thank you