Is this website for Muslims or Quranists?
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On Facebook "Quranists" pages have been saying heaps of stuff like we dnt hav to pray, fast ect. And they will use the name Quranist more than Muslim. Is there Muslims here who just call themselves Muslims... Not Sunni Shia Sufi or Quranists just Muslim?
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Peace, Ozi Kristi-lee !
From my understanding, I'd say this website is for both as it allows any one with a "free mind" to discuss their views about religion, predominately. I tend to see that the majority here rather be called Muslims however, though they may occasionally subscribe to the name Quranists to differentiate from hadith-following "Muslims". I try not to think too much about it, and personally believe that following the Quran-alone makes one simply a Muslim. )
Of course with anything there will be a variety of claims and beliefs surrounding it.
May peace be with you.
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We are Muslims. The rest are SECTARIANS. The Jews, Christians, Sunnis, Shi?ahs, and?are all sectarians.
We are Muslims because according to The Qur?aan, All who
.Believe in GOD and do NOT call upon anyone or anything besides Him in WORSHIP, and do NOT associate anyone or anything with Him in WORSHIP
.And believe in the coming of the Last Day
.And also, lead a righteous CONSTRUCTIVE life, are all Muslims.
Actually, the sectarians have invented the term ?Qur?aanists?, to mark us, as another sect. We must be very careful not fall into their calculated trap. We are simply Muslims, PERIOD.
Peace,
Khalil -
On Facebook "Quranists" pages have been saying heaps of stuff like we dnt hav to pray, fast ect. And they will use the name Quranist more than Muslim. Is there Muslims here who just call themselves Muslims... Not Sunni Shia Sufi or Quranists just Muslim?
The website is for anyone..
I myself is not a 'quranist' and I strive to be a muslim / submitting to God's will, however I never claimed myself to be a muslim (in it's truest sense). Muslim and islam is not a sect/religion/political party.. it's an attitude, being a muslim is a life-long journey.. and it is easier said than done...
Salam / peace
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Salaam - I am a Quranist and I really believe that the term Quranism is simply a term to describe muslims who believe the Quran is the sole source as opposed to ppl who say they are other sources besides the Quran. Quranists are still muslims and we are not saying we are right and others are wrong. We are not saying we are the only "True" muslims and the others are "polytheists" or "kafirs". Not at all. Alhamdulillah we are Quranists, we are muslims, we believe in the whole complete Quran and the Quran unites us all. We believe in Unity NOT Uniformity! Promoting individual logical pondering and reflection of our Creator's Words (as instructed by the Quran) as opposed to the Hive-Mind forced thinking of the masses The terms Quranism/Quranists are needed to communicate effectively and honestly. Here are some articles which you might like
This one is about the "just muslim" label
http//www.quranists.net/2011/05/21/the-muslim-label-%E2%80%93-having-your-cake-and-eating-it-too/This one is "Justifying the Quranist / Quranism labels"
http//www.quranists.net/2011/04/27/justifying-the-quranist-quranism-labels/And
"Quranism is not a sect - here is why"
http//www.quranists.net/2011/04/22/quranism-is-not-a-sect-here-is-why/Quranism is not a sect, it's an approach. There are lots of articles about why Quranism is not a sect and what a sect is on the Quranists.net website. If you define a sect as having a differing opinion about something then even the 4 madhabs within Sunni islam would be sects. But they are just differences of opinion. And sects are only sects because of the mentality of "We are right and you are wrong" . If everybody just agreed that we all believe in 1 God, Allah and we are all doing our genuine best to do what He wants us to do, then we should all get along fine. It's actually only when ppl start judging others instead of letting ppl just get on with it that there is tension or division.
I actually like that people have different opinions, and ponder and think about stuff instead of following blindly. It's quranic in fact. 1736 for example talks about checking before you act, 2368 is a good one too about pondering / reflecting on the words. And to answer the question I understand this website to be for anyone who has an open mind or who wants to try to see things from different perspectives because it's a forum where there are a lot of different views expressed. I have seen a lot of reasoning based on evidence produced from verses in the Quran on this forum. People tend to contribute what they have studied or pondered - like note sharing. I prefer this to being told how to interpret by scholars, imams, religious leader etc.
Some people don't like the term "Quranists" and insist on calling themselves "Muslims" or "just muslims" - It's almost like saying that the term Muslim is for "OUR" exclusive use. To me that is creating a "them and us" situation which is divisive and saying WE are in the fold of islam and THEY are not in it. I think that a more inclusive approach is to acknowledge that we are all muslims and that some have a different/similar approach than what the Quran teaches. Some approaches are based on Quran plus other sources considered divine and Quranist approach is where the Quran is considered the only source of islam. There are many types of muslims (female muslims, male muslims, old muslims, young muslims, rich muslims, poor muslims, practising muslims, non-practising muslims, married muslims, divorced muslims, single muslims etc etc I believe that when a muslim uses the approach of Quranism, they can be described as a quranist muslim - it's a description. I don't believe descriptions are anything to do with sects. Just my thoughts on it
Peace and Salaam
Asfora -
Peace be upon you,
What difference does a meaningless title make? You are what you do, not what you call yourself.
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Salam!
For being a monotheist and an "authentic" muslim (not the one with capital M), one should not depend on a label that lends meaning to their faith. We are what we believe and what we do... not what we think we are.In my understanding "Quranist" is a bad term to identify with, even though it is somewhat a matter of how you interpret it. Being Quranist tends to imply that one takes Quran as everything and as an end. Isn't it another sugar coated and fancy dogma? A booby trap ! Islam calls for a profound combination of Revelation + Reason, both being equal in importance(?) as they fuse together to form the whole. Therefore, being monotheist muslims require us to take guidance, wisdom, and understanding from Quran THROUGH our judgement, and by being able to read the personal revelations inscribed in us by kindling the divine spark that is also within us. Quran enables us to do that, so it is a means, not some destination or end-goal. Then why identify oneself with it?
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This one is about the "just muslim" label
http//www.quranists.net/2011/05/21/the-muslim-label-%E2%80%93-having-your-cake-and-eating-it-too/The title 'Muslim' is deception now, according to you?
The title of the link "The Deceptive ?Just Muslim Label? by quranists"
Show me in the Quran where Allah named us anything else but ones who submit to Him Muslims.
"and struggle for God as is His due, for He has chosen you, and has laid on you no impediment in your religion, being the creed of your father Abraham; He named you Muslims (almuslimeena) aforetime and in this, that the Messenger might be a witness against you, and that you might be witnesses against mankind. So perform the prayer, and pay the alms, and hold you fast to God; He is your Protector -- an excellent Protector, an excellent Helper." Surah 2278
Disbelievers divide into sects Surah 665, 6159, 284, 3032
"Those who have made divisions in their religion and become sects, thou art not of them in anything; their affair is unto God, then He will tell them what they have been doing." Surah 6159
Why do you say that which Allah does not?
Allah is clear there is only one (shatihi) - sect - accepted by Him. Abraham was of that sect, as shown in Surah 3781-83. And as Allah states clearly in Surah 2278, He has given those of Abraham's sect a clear name almuslimeena - Muslims.Do you call those who associate partners with Allah 'Muslims' when they do not match the descriptions given to us in the Quran?
Do you call those who serve Allah by a name He has not given them?
By what do you judge, because apparently it is not the Quran."Say 'My Lord has only forbidden indecencies, the inward and the outward, and sin, and unjust insolence, and that you associate with God that for which He sent down never authority, and that you say concerning God such as you know not." Surah 733
To you is your religion, to me is mine. Surah 1091-6
To the OP
Peace be with you,
This website has Muslims and sectarians, as well as polytheist Jews and Christians seeking to lead you astray. That is the way of life as we will find people who believe and don't believe wherever we go.
Judge between them by what Allah has sent down. Surah 4105
"Surely We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, so that thou mayest judge between the people by that God has shown thee. So be not an advocate for the traitors;" Surah 4105
Don't aggress against those who do not attack you for your beliefs. Treat them honorably, with justice and kindness, and pass by them when they mock the revelation of Allah. Surah 608-9, 3115, 4140, 668, 2563, 2855
"But if they strive with thee to make thee associate with Me that whereof thou hast no knowledge, then do not obey them. Keep them company honourable in this world; but follow the way of him who turns to Me. Then unto Me you shall return, and I shall tell you what you were doing.'" Surah 3115
Allah is sufficient for the believers.
?O Prophet! Allah is sufficient for you and such of the believers as follow you." Surah 864
You won't be asked what anyone else did. You will only be asked what you said, what you did, and what you believed.
Welcome to the Forum.
May Allah increase the believers in knowledge.
Peace.
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You don't have to believe in GOD either P
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salamunalaykom, thanks guys for all your answers...
