You and You and You in the quran
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Peace all,
The singular, duel and plural forms for the second person (You) are distinct in Arabic language contrary to the English language.
I suggest to make the distinction at least between YOU (singular) and YOU (plural) in the translation of the quran in English. The translation will be closer to the Arabic text Inshaa Allah.
In the french language, this problem does not exist because we have "tu" for you (singular) and "vous" for you (plural ) )
Peace
Marie -
Peace
Perhaps a simple solution would be to put the plural form in caps and the singular leave it regular. That's how the New World Translation of the Bible distinguishes between the plural form of you and the singular. Same in espanol, you have tu for singular and vosotros for the plural.
Joe
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Peace Joe,
You mean YOU and you. This is a good solution
Thanks
Marie
Peace
Perhaps a simple solution would be to put the plural form in caps and the singular leave it regular. That's how the New World Translation of the Bible distinguishes between the plural form of you and the singular. Same in espanol, you have tu for singular and vosotros for the plural.
Joe
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Peace be upon you Marie,
Can you give a few examples of the plural form of "YOU" that may be crucial to our understanding?
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Peace be upon you Kyle and YOU all
This is the same verb used in 11114 and 2456 and are conjugated in the same way; it is an order.
FM
11114. And you shall hold (Waaqimi / singular / you) the assembly (salat) at both ends of the daylight and the near part of the night. The good deeds take away the bad. This is a reminder to those who remember.Ahmad Shabir
11114 Strive to establish and consolidate (Waaqimi / singular / you) the Divine System (salat), day and night. Actions that create balance in the society remove the ill effects of inequities. Good deeds remove bad deeds. This is a reminder for those who pay attention.FM
2456. And hold the assembly (salat) (Waaqeemoo / plural / YOU) and contribute (YOU) towards betterment, and obey the messenger, that you may attain mercy.Ahmad Shabir chose to insert (O Believers) to distinguish between the two forms YOU (aqeemoo) and you (aqimi)
2456 Hence, (O Believers) establish and consolidate the Divine System (salat), set up the Just Economic Order of Zakat, and obey the Messenger. (The eternal Messenger now is the Final Revelation of Allah). That is how you will flourish in the world as the fetus flourishes in the mother's womb. (Rahm = Womb).
I will give you other examples soon Inshaa Allah
Marie
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Peace be upon you Marie,
Thank you for the examples, I know it wil probably be a hard task, but if you (or anyone) has a complete list of "you's" , I would like to have it.
Thanks.
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Peace YOU all,
In chapter II, I found 33 verses where the singular form is used and there are 15 occurences where we read "say (you)......"
225 And give good news (you) to those who believe and do good works, that they will have gardens with rivers flowing beneath. Every time they receive of its fruit, they Say ?This is what we have been provisioned before,? and they are given its likeness. And there they will have pure spouses, and in it they will abide.
291 And if it is said to them ?Believe in what God has sent down;? they Say ?We believe only in what was sent down to us,? and they reject what came after it, while it is the truth authenticating what is with them. Say (you) ?Why then did you kill God?s prophets if you were believers??
294 Say (you) ?If the abode of the Hereafter has been set exclusively for you to the exception of all other people, then you should wish for death if you are truthful!?
296 And you will find them the most obsessive people regarding long life; as well as those who have set up partners; each one of them wishes that he could live a thousand years. It will not change for him the retribution even if he lived so long, God is watchful over what you do.
297 Say you ?Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel, then know that he has sent it down into your heart by God?s permission, authenticating what is already present, and a guide and good news for the believers.?
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We have sent down to you clear verses; only the evil ones would disbelieve in them.
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We do not duplicate a sign, or make it forgotten, unless We bring one which is like it or even greater. Did you not know that God is capable of all things?
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Did you not know that to God is the kingship of the heavens and Earth, and that YOUdo not have besides God any guardian or supporter?
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We have sent you with the truth as a bearer of good news and warner. You will not be questioned about the people of Hell.
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Neither the Jews nor the Nazarenes will be pleased with you until you follow their creed. Say (you) ?The guidance is God?s guidance.? And if you follow their wishes after the knowledge that has come to you, then there is none who can help or protect you against God.
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And they said ?Be Jews or Nazarenes so that you may be guided!? Say (you) ?No, rather the creed of Abraham, monotheism; for he was not of those who set up partners.?
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Say (you) ?Do YOU debate with us regarding God?; for He is our Lord and your Lord, and we have our work and YOU have YOU work, and to Him we are believers.?
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?Or do YOU say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs were all Jewish or Nazarene?? Say (you) ?Are you more knowledgeable or is God?? Who is more wicked than one who conceals a testimony with him from God? God is not unaware of what you do.
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The foolish from amongst the people will Say ?What has turned them away from the focal point that they were on?? Say (you) ?To God is the east and the west, He guides whomsoever He wishes to a straight path.?
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And as such, We have made you a balanced nation so that you may be witness over the people, and that the messenger may be witness over you. And We did not make the focal point that you were on except to know who follows the messenger from those who will turn on their heels. It was a great thing indeed except for those whom God had guided; God was not to waste your belief. God is Merciful and Compassionate over the people.
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We see the shifting of your face towards the sky, We will thus set for you a focal point that will be pleasing to you ?You shall set yourself towards the Restricted Temple; and wherever YOU may be, YOU shall (all) set yourselves towards it.? Those who have been given the Scripture know it is the truth from their Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do.
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And if you come to those who have been given the Scripture with every sign they will not follow your focal point, nor will you follow their focal point, nor will some of them even follow the others focal point. And if you were to follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, then you would be one of the wicked.
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The truth is from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt.
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And from wherever you go out, you shall set yourself towards the Restricted Temple; it is the truth from your Lord; and God is not unaware of what YOU do.
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And wherever you go out, you shall set yourself towards the Restricted Temple. And wherever YOU may be YOU shall set yourselves towards it; that the people will have no room for debate with YOU, except those of them who are wicked. YOUshall not fear them, but fear Me; so that I may complete My blessings upon YOUand that YOUmay be guided.
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And if My servants ask you about Me, I am near answering the calls of those who call to Me. So let them respond to Me and believe in Me that they may be guided.
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They ask you regarding the new moons, Say you ?They are a timing mechanism for the people as well as for the Pilgrimage.? And piety is not that YOU would enter a home from its back, but piety is whomever is righteous and come to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of God that YOU may succeed.
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Ask (you) the Children of Israel how many clear signs did We give them? And whoever changes God?s favour after it has come to him, then God is Mighty in retribution.
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They ask you what they should spend, Say (you) ?What YOU spend out of goodness should go to YOUR family and the relatives and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer. And any good YOU do, God is fully aware of it.?
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They ask you about the restricted month ?Is there fighting in it?? Say (you) ?Much fighting is in it, and to repel from the path of God and to disbelieve in Him, and at the Restricted Temple, to drive its inhabitants out is far greater with God, and persecution is worse than being killed.? And they still will fight you until they turn you back from your system if they are able. And whoever of you turns back from his system, and he dies while disbelieving, then these have nullified their work in this life and the next; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide eternally!
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They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say (you) ?In them is great harm, and a benefit for mankind; but their harm is greater than their benefit.? And they ask you how much are they to give, Say (you) ?The excess.? It is thus that God clarifies for YOU the revelations that YOU may think.
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In this world and the next; and they ask you regarding the orphans, Say (you) ?To fix their situation is best, and if YOU are to care for them, then they are your brothers?. And God knows the corrupt from the good, and had God wished He could have made things difficult. God is Noble, Wise.
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And they ask you about menstruation? Say (you) ?It is harmful, so retire yourselves sexually from the women during the menstruation, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. When they are cleansed, then you may approach them as God has commanded you.? God loves the repenters and He loves the cleansed.
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Did you not see those who left their homes in groups, all the while they were weary of death; so God said to them ?Die,? then He resurrected them. God has great favour over the people, but most people are not thankful.
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Did you not note the leaders of the Children of Israel after Moses, they said to their prophet ?Send us a king that we may fight in the cause of God;? he said ?Are you not concerned that if fighting is decreed upon you, you will then not fight?? They said ?And why should we not fight in the cause of God when we have been driven out from our homes with our children.? So it was, that when fighting was decreed for them they turned away, except for a few of them! God is fully aware of the wicked.
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These are God?s revelations, We recite them to you with truth, and you are of the messengers.
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Did the news come to you of the person who debated with Abraham regarding his Lord, while God had given him a kingship? Abraham said ?My Lord is the One who gives life and death,? he said ?I bring life and death.? Abraham said ?God brings the sun from the east, so you bring it from the west.? The one who disbelieved was confounded! And God does not guide the wicked people.
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You are not responsible for their guidance, but it is God who will guide whoever He wishes. And whatever YOU spend out of goodness is for your own souls. And anything YOU spend should be in seeking God?s presence. And whatever YOU spend out of goodness will be retuned to you, and you will not be wronged.
Peace
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Peace be upon you Marie,
Please clarify how this understanding of "you" influences your thoughts. I ask this because I have seen that you are stressing this point in all of your posts. It is indeed a very important piece of information, but it seems to be the cornerstone of your latest posts, what are you building towards?
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Peace be upon you Kyle,
Peace be upon you Marie,
Please clarify how this understanding of "you" influences your thoughts. I ask this because I have seen that you are stressing this point in all of your posts. It is indeed a very important piece of information, but it seems to be the cornerstone of your latest posts, what are you building towards?
For the moment I always keep the same position for salat at dawn and at dusk.
An Indepth RESEARCH on SALAAT
you-----> the audience is one people.
YOU-----> the audience is everyone.I think the lacks of understanding of many verses are secured to the fact that one isolates the verses from his context.
Marie