What's your point exactly about hadith ?
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Salam,
I have read your message Student of Allah but honestly I have to say that I feel offenced when you talked about budhists and atheists and christians ... My ansnwer to you is I'm not one of them )
Let's back to our discussion, I have studied islam and I'm not new into my religion;
Ok first, Love for the Prophet Muhammad is a measure of one's iman (faith and inner conviction) and our iman is completed and perfected only when our love for the Prophet exceeds our love for everything else in this world, including our own lives. The Holy Qur'an says"The Prophet is preferable for the believers even to their own selves..." (336)
This is a definitional sentence which tells us what it takes to be a believer preferring the Prophet even to one's own life. In confirmation of this the Prophet is reported in Hadith to have said
"None of you becomes a believer until I am dearer to him than his children, his parents and all mankind." (as reported by Bukhari and Muslim) Some versions add "his life, his wealth and his family".
The best of believers, the suhaba (companions of the Prophet), did show such love for the Prophet, especially the noblest of them. Hadhrat Ali, speaking on behalf of all the community of suhaba in Medina, is reported to have said
"The Holy Prophet is dearer to us than our wealth, our children, our fathers, our forefathers, our mothers and cool water at the time of severe thirst."
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You will excuse me I'll go to the friday prayer, when I'm back i'll be continuing the discussion
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You will excuse me I'll go to the friday prayer, when I'm back i'll be continuing the discussion
I absolutely hate this inhumane godless person described in hadith and nothing more detestable to Allah then the cruel apes that follow hadith ? may they be cursed and obliterated in this life and the next.
Hadith - Muslim, narrated Maymunah
?When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed?Volume 8, Book 81, Number 774
Narrated Abu Huraira
The Prophet said, "Allah curses a man who steals an egg and gets his hand cut off, or steals a rope and gets his hands cut off."Book 017, Number 4206
?When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid? -
Salam and Peace!
I absolutely hate this inhumane godless person described in hadith and nothing more detestable to Allah then the cruel apes that follow hadith ? may they be cursed and obliterated in this life and the next.
Hadith - Muslim, narrated Maymunah
?When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed?Volume 8, Book 81, Number 774
Narrated Abu Huraira
The Prophet said, "Allah curses a man who steals an egg and gets his hand cut off, or steals a rope and gets his hands cut off."Book 017, Number 4206
?When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid?Correct!
Disgusting, madness, jahalut, hellfire!Sihah Sittah is a Blasphemy against a noble Messenger.
Have a look at the barbaric implementation of Bukhari-Islam.
This is Hadither's Islam = Brutality, Barbarity, Hysteria, Madness---Absolute Madness!!!
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6edfRzTcQW4
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Salam S29,
I'm back -) , I appreciate your answer, however I want to correct something. I know all these hadiths that you have mentionned, and here is my answer to themMy answer for killing dogs
Abd Allah ibn al-Samit said Abu Dharr said The Messenger of Allah said "When one of you stands in prayer, what definitely constitutes a barrier for him is an object placed in front of him of the same height as the back of a camel-saddle. If it is not in front of him and of the same height as the back of a camel-saddle, then some donkey, or some woman passing, or some black dog will cut off his prayer." I said "O Abu Dharr! What is it that makes a black dog different from a red or yellow dog?" He replied "O dear cousin! I asked the Messenger of Allah the exact same question. He said that the black dog is a devil."
Angel <> Devil -- Is there a cohabitation ? Answer no
My answer for your second hadith
Soubhana llah, when this law is applicate we don't see crimes ! Example ? In UAE, when it is time for prayer, people who got a jewlery shop go to prayer and leave their shop open with no one to guard it for them, until they come from prayer and they find their shop in peace.
If this shop was in USA or other country I let you imagine how it will looks like when his owner will come back from prayer )(I suggest you to read this part carrefuly)
My answer for your third hadith
I will start my answer with a question Why didn't you continue the hadith ? Is this "Hikma" from you? I'll continue the hadith
... on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had hurried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried.
The beginning of this hadith is
'Abdullah b. Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Ma'iz b. Malik al-Aslami came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said Allah's Messenger, I have wronged myself ; I have committed adultery and I earnestly desire that you should purify me. He turned him away. On the following day, he (Ma'iz) again came to him and said Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) turned him away for the second time, and sent him to his people saying Do you know if there is anything wrong with his mind. They denied of any such thing in him and said We do not know him but as a wise good man among us, so far as we can judge. He (Ma'iz) came for the third time, and he (the Holy Prophet) sent him as he had done before. He asked about him and they informed him that there was nothing wrong with him or with his mind. When it was the fourth time, a ditch was dug for him and he (the Holy Prophet) pronounced judgment about him. He (the narrator) said There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said Go away and suckle him until you wean him...Masha'allah
I will appreciate S29 if you don't select parts in a hadith and hide other parts, Is this a "hikma" from you ? What are you expecting while hiding the other part of the hadith ?
Salam -
@S29; Allah also said in the quran in sourate al baqara" "
"And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is)"42. -
Hadith are utterances. What does the Quran say about these?
"It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. Had he uttered any other teachings, We would have grabbed him by the right, and We would have severed his artery of the heart, none of you could have helped him."
So it is impossible that he uttered these teachings you claim.
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Salam S29,
I'm back -) , I appreciate your answer, however I want to correct something. I know all these hadiths that you have mentionned, and here is my answer to themMy answer for killing dogs
Abd Allah ibn al-Samit said Abu Dharr said The Messenger of Allah said "When one of you stands in prayer, what definitely constitutes a barrier for him is an object placed in front of him of the same height as the back of a camel-saddle. If it is not in front of him and of the same height as the back of a camel-saddle, then some donkey, or some woman passing, or some black dog will cut off his prayer." I said "O Abu Dharr! What is it that makes a black dog different from a red or yellow dog?" He replied "O dear cousin! I asked the Messenger of Allah the exact same question. He said that the black dog is a devil."
Angel <> Devil -- Is there a cohabitation ? Answer no
That is no answer, you are supposed to obey the order and KILL all PUPPIES!
Disgusting!
My answer for your second hadith
Soubhana llah, when this law is applicate we don't see crimes ! Example ? In UAE, when it is time for prayer, people who got a jewlery shop go to prayer and leave their shop open with no one to guard it for them, until they come from prayer and they find their shop in peace.
If this shop was in USA or other country I let you imagine how it will looks like when his owner will come back from prayer(I suggest you to read this part carrefuly)
Your answer is that you would cut the hand of a little girl for taking an egg.
Disgusting! Barbaric! Cruel and ungodly!
My answer for your third hadith
I will start my answer with a question Why didn't you continue the hadith ? Is this "Hikma" from you? I'll continue the hadith
... on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had hurried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried.
The beginning of this hadith is
'Abdullah b. Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Ma'iz b. Malik al-Aslami came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said Allah's Messenger, I have wronged myself ; I have committed adultery and I earnestly desire that you should purify me. He turned him away. On the following day, he (Ma'iz) again came to him and said Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) turned him away for the second time, and sent him to his people saying Do you know if there is anything wrong with his mind. They denied of any such thing in him and said We do not know him but as a wise good man among us, so far as we can judge. He (Ma'iz) came for the third time, and he (the Holy Prophet) sent him as he had done before. He asked about him and they informed him that there was nothing wrong with him or with his mind. When it was the fourth time, a ditch was dug for him and he (the Holy Prophet) pronounced judgment about him. He (the narrator) said There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said Go away and suckle him until you wean him...Masha'allah
You would bury a woman half way to her chest and bash here head in with a rock!
How disgusting! You call yourself a human and a follower of Qur'an?
@S29; Allah also said in the quran in sourate al baqara" "
"And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is)"42.Then why do you LIE and cover TRUTH with falsehood?
Yours is a disgusting religion! We have nothing in common!
Bye!
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S29, I think you haven't read my message, if you have read it, you wouldn't answer like that by lowering my person and treating me as a barbar etc..., I'm not a barbar and I have all my mind and I'm a young student at computer engineering, I respect my people. I also smell that you are avoiding my critics.
I was seaking a good intervention from you s29 with good arguments, I guess you don't have ? You say bye, I still respect you, if you don't respect me, i'll still respect you. That's what teach us our prophet muhammad peace be upon him, And I'll be with their followers until the day of resurection. Lakoum dinokom wa liya dini -
Salam,
2- Why you don't trust in hadiths ? I mean God sent us a messenger who learn to us the Quran by transmitting it to us and also transmitting hadiths that will help us learn the quran
The hadith literature has no authority according to the quran. If you read the quran as a whole, and pick up on major themes, one of them is that it does not accept anything besides it as authoritative.
17/88 Say, "Surely if gathered the mankind and the jinn upon that (to) bring (the) likeness (of) this, the quran, naught they bring (the) like of it , even if were some of them to others, supporters .
45/6 These (are) signs of Allah. We recite them upon you with truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His signs will they believe?
68/36 What is with you? How do you judge ?
68/37 Or (is there) for you a book, therein you study ?77/50 So in what statement after it will they believe?
Typically, sunnis will explain that none of these verses are referring to the hadith literature. However, none can deny with any sincerity that the theme is anything but crystal clear the quran accepts nothing besides it as divine truth.
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So you say that all hadiths are false ? How do you do salate then ?
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This site is making confusion on the head of my people, when someone come to me and ask me Salah I no longer pray; I say why ? Because all hadiths are false. This is fitna.
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1- Do you love the prophet muhammad (saws) ? (We love all the prophet sure, but do you feel in your heart a degree of love of muhammad larger than the love of your mother or father ? Honestly)
No. Thanks to the hadith, Quran is slowly changing that. I will never love him more than my mother, father, husband and children. He was just a man, with a message...not a God, not divine. He can't save me from Hellfire, he is not my savior. Allah is
2- Why you don't trust in hadiths ? I mean God sent us a messenger who learn to us the Quran by transmitting it to us and also transmitting hadiths that will help us learn the quran
here is a short exampleA gap of over 200 years for one, and two I find the treatment of women disgusting in the hadith, the talks of sex (heaven sounds like a 3 ring circus/orgy porno shop for men), killing innocent animals? A black dog is not a devil, Allah made him that way, so punish him? why? What was his crime other than being born a dog, or as my crime being born a woman, who could love a man like that or believe him to be a prophet?
There are many contradictions in the hadith. The Quran says if it was from anyone other then Allah, they would have found many contradictions in it. I also hate the cherry picking of hadith to serve a certain situation. The superstitions within the hadith, the lack of science and Quranic support. The list goes on. If Muslims, like to tell the Christian about "Paul" and the decades that were between him and Jesus and having himself never met Jesus, which added to the errors in the bible; Can't we also use this line of thinking to evaluate our own diversions, as I said the 200 years and no matter how long a chain of narrations looks if no one ever meet where is the credibility? Why did the companions then BURN the first hadiths written?
This is why as a convert I have come from Sunni to being Quran only. You are free to be unable to live without the hadith. I however, can not live with them. Quran settles my heart, makes me strive to be a better muslim, to pray and give, to trust in the total power of Allah. May Allah bless you and yours, now and in the next life.
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We should not leave sunna
"And verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the last day and remembereth Allah much."
According to this verse, every Muslim is bound to have the good example of the Prophet as an ideal in life. In another verse he has been made a 'Hakam' for the Muslims by Allah Almighty. No one remains Muslim if he does not accept the Prophet's decisions and judgements"But no, by thy Lord, they can have no real faith until they make thee judge in all disputes between them and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions but accept them with the fullest conviction."
While explaining the qualities of Muslims the Qur'an says
"The answer of the believers, when summoned to Allah and His apostle, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this They say we hear and we obey."
In many places the Qur'an has given its verdict on this issue. The Qur'an says
"Obey Allah and obey the Messenger."
AS A TRUE MUSLIM I HAVE HEARD THE WORDS OF ALLAH AND HIS APOSTLE AND I SAY WE HEAR AND WE OBEY.
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Imagine that you come to the day of resurection and you are not blessed by Allah because you have leaved the Sunnah ...
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Salam and Peace on you!
We should not leave sunna
"And verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the last day and remembereth Allah much."
According to this verse, every Muslim is bound to have the good example of the Prophet as an ideal in life.But the Prophet has died.
Where is that "Good Example" gone!!!???Is that "Good Example" in the books of falsehoods, Sihah Sittah???
Good mind!
The Prophet never followed Sihah Sittah.
He followed Allah's Quran alone.
So indeed, Al-Quran is the "Good Example", which is before us, in spite of the fact that the Prophet has died---------yet the "Good Example" is before us.In another verse he has been made a 'Hakam' for the Muslims by Allah Almighty. No one remains Muslim if he does not accept the Prophet's decisions and judgements
"But no, by thy Lord, they can have no real faith until they make thee judge in all disputes between them and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Very well, Allah made the Prophet "Hakam" and then caused him to die, and the Hakam is gone.
While explaining the qualities of Muslims the Qur'an says
"The answer of the believers, when summoned to Allah and His apostle, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this They say we hear and we obey."
Good mind!-----The Prophet is dead, can you say to Prophet "We hear and we obey"???
AS A TRUE MUSLIM I HAVE HEARD THE WORDS OF ALLAH AND HIS APOSTLE AND I SAY WE HEAR AND WE OBEY.
You never heard your Prophet with your own ears.
Don't lie.
Whatever you say, Allah is listening to you and writing everything. And it will be put before you on The Judgement Day.=========================================================
Now open your heart and mind to Allah's Quran alone, and contemplate.
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The Prophet was a "Good Example", only because of Al-Quran alone.
He himself followed Al-Quran, and set a Good Example of following Al-Quran.Now that "Good Example" (i.e. Al-Quran) of the Prophet is before you.
The Prophet followed Al-Quran, you obey him and follow Al-Quran.
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The Prophet as a person was not Hakam.
The Prophet was made Hakam, because of Al-Quran alone. He always gave his decision in obedience to Al-Quran alone, and not from his own desires.Even the "Oolil Umr" who follow Al-Quran, are commanded to be obeyed.
So when Allah says the Prophet is Hakam. It means Al-Quran is The Hakam.
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This site is making confusion on the head of my people, when someone come to me and ask me Salah I no longer pray; I say why ? Because all hadiths are false. This is fitna.
Rather than "all hadith are false", try "no hadith has authority". Anyway, many people who do not accept hadith still pray, and they pray pretty much like you. Read the following link if you're interested
http//apostateofhadith.blogspot.com/2011/08/war-on-salat-part-ii.html
"So how do I know how to pray? I watched and learned from other Muslims; the same way Muslims before (and after) me have learned since Abraham. Go to your mosque and look for a child amongst the prayer lines. Do you see what he's doing? he's learning."
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Imagine that you come to the day of resurection and you are not blessed by Allah because you have leaved the Sunnah ...
And imagine, on a Heavy Day, when the Messenger would complain before his Lord
-----"And the Messenger will say ?O my Lord, indeed my people had deserted this Quran." (2530)
And they had taken the alleged Sunnah.
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Following the Quran is following the sunnah.
Sunnah and Hadith are two different things.A hadith is a narration about the life of the Prophet (pbuh) or what he approved - as opposed to his life itself, which is the Sunnah.
He lived his life (sunnah) according to the Quran.
How can a dead man make a judgement in my matters? The Prophet(pbuh) in his wisdom and mercy judged EACH person and situation differently. How can we apply this as a generic form of judgement? It makes sense to me to tell the people who were currently following him to obey and do as told, he was with them, had fully understanding and used the Qur'an in matters of judgement as ordered by Allah. So the rules are in the Quran with I know 100% has been protected by Allah and his promise, and He never breaks his promise.
"...If any do fail to judge by what Allah(God) has sent down (i.e the Quran), they are unbelievers." (Quran 545).
"...If any do fail to judge by that which Allah has sent down, they are tyrants." (Quran 545)
"...If any do fail to judge by that which Allah has sent down, such are evil-livers." (Quran 547)To obey the messenger is to obey the message. Obeying religious matters versus obey OPINIONS of a human being are very different. Also everytime someone tells a story no matter how good the memory or the truthfulness, that person still filters what they hear through their own experience and beliefs. Does not make them a liar or anything, just slowly adds distortion.