Who are fake quranists and who are pure quranists?
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Hello my friends.
I have seen some cases where people try to exploit the strong ideas of quranists to decieve people. For instance some ''Quranists'' claim they are quranists while they accept and use some of the tabari work or other works in order to ''understand'' something in the quran.
For example I had a conversation with a socalled Quranist who said that its halal to regard women as sexual property since you can enslave unlimited number of women and have sex with them (ma malakat aymanakom) and since you can make temp. marriage with them (Muta) and since you can marry 4 of them at one time.
Therefore, he concluded 4 wives + unlimited number of sex slaves + unlimited number of Muta wives = Women are sex objects and sexual property of men.
When I asked him how he knows that Ma malakat aymanakom means female sex slaves he gave references to some hadith which he said was historical records, and when I asked him about Muta he also gave me hadith references where the prophet allowed it and so on.And in other cases I have seen socalled Quranists claiming the importance of Circumcision of male children, the importance of the four khalifa raashidoun (Omar, Abu Bakr, Ali and Othman), the importance of having only a male imam, a male leader and so on.
Do you regard the above people being purely quranists? Are we not witnessing many socalled quranists who actually are something between quranists and hadithers? Or are the socalled islamic traditions just so profound in our blod that its hard to get away with them and therefore its very hard not to be affected by hadith collections and scholerly opnion like shafi, hanbali and so on?
Or is it possible that some of those socalled quranists in realy just are munafeqeens who try to lead us other quranists away from our path by confusing us with hadith history and so on?When do you guys regard someone as being a ''pure quranists''?
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When do you guys regard someone as being a ''pure quranists''?
When rejecting absolutely every hadith or sources of law besides Quran
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brother kaikonred does that mean that the socalled islamic history isnt important for us either?
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I will leave this forum; A lot of fitna in this place.
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brother kaikonred does that mean that the socalled islamic history isnt important for us either?
Important like what? If you mean important like islamic important, last time I checked, islamic history wasn't a requirement for salvation. We can never know the true history without flaws.
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Greetings and Peace, all group
I know what a muslim is; what on earth is a quranist? To my knowledge, a muslim follows the deen of ALLAH. Quranist ~sounds~ like someone who worships the Quran instead &. My two cents.
May ALLAH see fit to guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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brother kaikonred does that mean that the socalled islamic history isnt important for us either?
Salam,
Ofcourse all historic events are important. But not for my "deen". Allah never defined my deen with history written by normal historians or scholars. Because you see, God does not guard all books of history , does he ? Any Historian will document things according to his/her methodology and bias in some cases. If the germans would have succeeded in world war 2, i doubt that Hitler would be considered evil today. Did you know about how inhumanely the RAF killed german civilians by bombing ?? Targetting civilians is portrayed in media as Hitler's job, but thanks to internet, you can google out information about British forces causing genocide in Germany too. It all depends on who is in control of mass media, and what he wants to declare as Historic truth !!
So, atleast for me, even thinking about mixing it with my "deen" is mixing guesswork with absolute truth.
Coming back to your original question, I define muslim as one who submits to Allah. We have a book containing Allah's guidance, contradicting it does not sound like very muslim to me. So, I follow only Qur'an as material to understand Allah's will. The word Quranist doesnt sound nice to me. If you observe the people here that rejects religious teachings outside Qur'an, you will notice that we differ in interpretations, understandings and point of views on many things according to the way Allah made it possible for us to understand. That is not what a "sect" is, so the terminology Quranist sounds bad and irrelevant.
PEACE be on you
----------------------- Student of Allah
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The word Quranist doesnt sound nice to me. If you observe the people here that rejects religious teachings outside Qur'an, you will notice that we differ in interpretations, understandings and point of views on many things according to the way Allah made it possible for us to understand. That is not what a "sect" is, so the terminology Quranist sounds bad and irrelevant.
Right On!!
We're not a sect, we respect differences (of opinion, view point, taste, culture etc..) and we're not trying to create one..I don't think anyone (here) has ever claimed their rights to own the name Quranist.. or Islam or Muslim..
Otherwise they should have apply for 'trademark registration' of those names..
Without those 'trademark ownership' the term Quranist, Islam and Muslim are free for anyone to use....And furthermore, I never claimed to be a 'quranist' myself...
Salam / Peace
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student of allah thank you for clearify
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I will leave this forum; A lot of fitna in this place.
Good idea! You should continue to live like a sheep in a herd, the real fitna. It takes some brain energy and courage to get exposed to different ideas. The truth seekers are not scared from discussing issues, since they have nothing to fear. But, the followers of falsehood and menmade teachings, such as hadith and fiqh, cannot withstand the light of reason and criticism. Muhammad and his supporters engaged in numerous discussions with mushriks and ingrates. The Quran quotes the opponents in hundreds of verses and provides ansewers (the frequency of the word Qalu (they said) is 332 and the frequency of Qul (say) is also 332).
Peace,
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I've always hated the term Quranist. We are all muslim here regardless of sect.
Student of Allah summed it up well.
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Peace,
I too believe we are simply Muslims. However, I occasionally distinguish myself when talking to non-Muslims in order to arouse curiosity in them and to try and break their automatic stereotypes towards Muslims.
If a non-Muslim asks you what you are religiously, and you simply reply with "Muslim" because in your head you know all what you believe, many times they can simply just stereotype you as one of the many radical traditionalists out there. And that's fine if you simply do not care what others think about you. But by answering "Quran-alone Muslim" (I personally prefer this over "Quranist" since it spells it out more clearly) you create a bait for people to inquire further about your beliefs, and thus being able to propagate the truth. I've already had this work to my benefit a couple of times, and I recall prior to this belief when I'd respond with just Muslim, the door was shut right there.
Just my 2 cents.
May peace be with you all.
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Well to say we are "muslim" while using the english language is in itself a fallacy that means you find comfort in identifying with "Muslims", a specific group of people. Of course, in the Arabic language we are "muslim" but let's be dynamic. We are submitters to the natural way, we are seekers of peace, truth, we just are. As soon as you identify with a name, you divide. Even if you claim to follow "ALLAH" or "God", you divide. Because people have preconceptions about all of these things. The key is to unite in love for the creator, not to cling onto a term which is supposed to unite!
Only in this sense is a "quranist" a spiritual chameleon yet totally free of intellectual dishonesty.
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Well to say we are "muslim" while using the english language is in itself a fallacy that means you find comfort in identifying with "Muslims", a specific group of people. Of course, in the Arabic language we are "muslim" but let's be dynamic. We are submitters to the natural way, we are seekers of peace, truth, we just are. As soon as you identify with a name, you divide. Even if you claim to follow "ALLAH" or "God", you divide. Because people have preconceptions about all of these things. The key is to unite in love for the creator, not to cling onto a term which is supposed to unite!
Selam
Well put OPF, totally agree.
I suppose as soon as you are labelled with a name such a Quranist then you are liable to get sub-set labels appear after that like
True Quranist
50% Quranist
Agressive Quranist
Passive Quranist
Master Quranist
part hadith Quranistetc etc etc .... unlimited divisions of a particular sect or label.
Peace
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Exactly! Every human is individual and no two of us share exactly the same beliefs. The more we try and label ourselves, the more we will find that not a single label can truly fit any of us. My brother used to tell me that labels fit on boxes, not on people. How true...
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Selam
Well put OPF, totally agree.
I suppose as soon as you are labelled with a name such a Quranist then you are liable to get sub-set labels appear after that like
True Quranist
50% Quranist
Agressive Quranist
Passive Quranist
Master Quranist
part hadith Quranistetc etc etc .... unlimited divisions of a particular sect or label.
Peace
Salam.
Being "quranist" is just one of the attributes of a muslim (not 'Muslim' with a capital M), just like a muslim also possesses attributes as peacemaker, virtuous, rational, just, etc. The essence of all these attributes is the same Truth and loving Truth. Islam as a natural amalgamation of all these supreme qualities has been lost and forgotten in the world, and those who endeavor to revive its spirit sometimes need to identify themselves with these sub-attributes to proclaim that they represent not tradition but something else which is deeper and may need attention, it is like issuing a challenge. It is this need of announcement that muslims may decide to identify themselves with these additional attributes in a specific environment, such as being 'peacemaker' in a world of violence and conflict and thus emphasizing what needs to be prioritized according to God's law, being rational or free-thinker in a world preoccupied with dogma, being quranist among followers of pagan books etc... These descriptions can be used to emphasize the context, and there is no harm in them in my understanding. The essence is what that remains important.
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I accept being a "Quraanist" as I believe Quraan is the Hukumate <Manifest will>
and therefore it is EmmanuEl <God with us> because Quraan recited is
Elah /Allah speaking directly to us then this is a "Barrier" through which our Lord gives
Wahy and ruhiim to Mediums <rasool> and the witness <shaheed><both of whom appear each generation > Proclaim the Good News that our King-Deity -Deity-King, is with us!I know my reaching out in my prostration is <Supplication>answered in my Recitation
part salaat Affirmation Supplication & Recitation> I simply open Quraan Majeed and Elah/Allah speaks to my supplication! <> that being said I have also compiled 2 Revelation order Quraan(s) this collection and putting together and utilizing for my last 5 Ramadans I have come to the conclusion that Quraan is EmmanuEl - I have discovers al Quraan & the 7 pairs, are 7 distinct Books each with their own header Letters the First one lead to finding the 7 books and later still I going that all 7 books had their own unique Header LettersThe first book is Song and praise <al Zabor> the second is al Fruqan <Statute Book>
3rd is book of Musa 4th Book of Hadith & Sunnah of the Mediums 5th instruction to Mediums 6th &
7th pure instructions in Ummitin-State building. -
I believe myself to be a Purists <> I rember Akhi Layth from the early days when my ex-wife and I were starting out on our discovery of Quraan Solely as our Faith path,
she still follows Quraan Solely as a Submitter, and today I have evolved into a Quraan Solely Sufi.
For a while we formed the Quraan Solely Ebaadite <Devotees> Movement in Atlanta
from there I embrace An enhanced sense of Wahy and ruhiina - that made me retire from the world and embrace Collecting The 2 Quraans <> in so doing I was blessed to be shown the secret of the coming Aquarian/Yosefian Age! This age where minds will be open to a Universal Truth<ie Quraan Majeed as EmmanuEl > and the acceptance of Elah/Allah's Mediums and witnesses. .Because EmmanuEl is my foundation I have been able to study other Scriptures seek My Lord's Words. And many times I remember EmmanuEl's tale on the same subject, but the fact remains I remember my Lord <EmmanuEl> said it and it also says Elah/Allah had sent the Mediums throughout the world.
So to.sum up <> real Quraan Solely Devotees <3baadi> are convinced the Quraan is The Light of the Word and Elah Manifest Will to us, the Great conversation of the Living God who has dwelled with us 1400+ years but many have failed to.recognize it!
Ahadith & Sunnah are an Insult to intelligent Devotees, just like Bible & Talmud are an insult to Torah <Israelites EmmanuEl> Quraan says to.know History but to be careful of following everything you found others doing! <traditions ascribed to prophets mediums saints or elders>