Message to all the new visitors in this forum
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Satanic forum? Satans influence is about promiscuity, homophilia, intoxicants, criminality, and worse. Hopefully none of that is going on here.
True religion? When it comes to true religion, many have claimed to have that. But instead of trying to uphold one understanding, I believe in a wellbehaved democracy and freedom of religion, so that religion can iterate and re-iterate with society.
Hate the prophet? I do not hate the prophet. I think he was a genious, and I look up to him. That is probably why the Quran states he has a "good pattern" because many people look up to him.
Hadiths are true? I`m just taking some of these off my head. The prophet could not utter any teaching but the Quran - The Quran is complete, fully detailed. What hadith but the Quran will you follow? And so many more. I have accepted Quran Alone thinking along time ago, and rarely think of arguments against sectarians anymore, so excuse me if I have forgot the verse numbers.
Love the prophet? Loving the hadithism prophet seems deviant to me. So much deviance and unintelligence in hadith. However Love of the quranic God, comes quite naturally. Why does no hadithist speak of this? THAT is a big question mark for me.
Peace.
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So you say that our prophet is bad right ?
The difference between me and you is that I don't say that a hadith is false just to please my soul !
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This was a message to the new visitors of this forum to do not be contaminated with your satanic ideas on the prophet. MUSLIMS LOVE THE PROPHET.
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Salam and Peace on you!
Assalamou aleykoum
I suggest to all the new visitors here to leave this forum; there is a lot of fitna in it, Soubhanallah; I will encourage my brothers to do not listen to these people here in this satanic forum who are trying to disturb people in their true religion because THEY WANT YOU TO HATE THE PROPHET (saws). aoudoubilah ! AND YES HADITHS ARE TRUE AND I LOVE MY PROPHET AND HE IS NOT A BARBAR LIKE THEY SAY, HE IS THE BEST CREATURE IN THIS WORLD AND HE OBEY TO GOD ON EVERYTHING. Abu Hurayrah reported that Rasool Allah (saws) said ?By Him in whose hand my soul lies, none of you believe until I am more beloved to him than his father and son.? (BUKHAARI Kitaab al Imaan ) .
Assalam
Fitnah is in your heart.---And it is obvious the way you are addressing people here on this forum.
If you are a truthful person, then stay and talk with Proof, and try to convince people who differ.You have no Proof to support your point of view in favour of Sihah Sittah.
Do you know what is Hadith in The Sight of Allah???
It is Al-Quran.
Allah calls His Exalted Quran, Ahsanal Hadith.If Allah called Sihah Sittah, hadith of the Prophet, then give your Proof from Allah's Quran.
Do you know what is Qol-e-Rasool in The Sight of Allah???
It is Al-Quran.
Allah calls His Exalted Quran, the Qol of a noble Messenger.If Allah called Sihah Sittah, the Qol of the Messenger, then give your Proof from Allah's Quran.
Sunnah means Law. And Law is for Allah only.
In Al-Quran the terminology "Sunnat Allah" has been mentioned, and not "Sunnatur Rasool".You only talk without Proof from Allah's Quran.
What is in your heart, Allah knows best.-----?Bring your Proof if you are truthful.? (2111)
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You seem to want to force those who believe you, to love a deviant man, you claim is the prophet.
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Greetings and Peace, all group
@Kaiokenred I'm not at all sure that this happened. It is not in the Quran--and it doesn't "mesh" with the guidance contained therein either. It could well be that pedophiles injected the hadith in order to "justify" their lusts. If you have true Guidance, who cares what the extra-Quranic hadiths say?
@salaheddine Either the Quran is false or the hadith are false. I choose the Quran only and worship ALLAH alone. You choose your beliefs and actions and accept ~your~ consequences. Wait, for I am with you waiting.
2281 And be aware of a Day when you will be returned to GOD then every soul will be paid what it has earned, and they will not be wronged.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Do you believe that the prophet of Islam married a 9 years old girl?
and he kissed and made out while fasting in Ramadan and while Aisha was on menstrual period?and he used to sleep with his 9 wives each night, and had the power of 33 men??
and he had enough time to go on the day line to some women and sleep their and wake up laughing and making a prediction while Qur'an said he didn't know the future?
Do you believe all the previous or not?If yes then sorry you will not be convinced, nor you are trying to seek the truth, but you want to prove that your ancestors and your parents and the scholars and you yourself are right, because you are afraid of being wrong all your life long...
Allah has given you a good brain in your skull, use it, logic with it, contemplate.
How can you believe in such nonsense about a noble Messenger who is Good Example of following Al-Quran alone, for the mankind.
Is this your love for the Prophet that you have faith in such garbage above about dearest Prophet???
Perhaps you have not read your Creator and Sustainer's Holy and Exalted Quran.
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So you say that our prophet is bad right ?
The difference between me and you is that I don't say that a hadith is false just to please my soul !
I love my prophet, and THIS is true faith.I NEVER said Muhammad was a bad guy, your " authentic " hadith says.
You say it was "false", but this is regarded by sunnis as a very "accurate" hadith and everyone believes it. If you don't believe this one as a wahabi you are, then what hadiths do you believe? ???
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I NEVER said Muhammad was a bad guy, your " authentic " hadith says.
You say it was "false", but this is regarded by sunnis as a very "accurate" hadith and everyone believes it. If you don't believe this one as a wahabi you are, then what hadiths do you believe? ???
The Salafee, wahabees, Sunnis, Shias, and all the sectarians believe in the blasphemy committed by Mr. Bukhari, and are not at all ashamed.
Stubborn. Arrogant. Jahileen.They don't fear Allah.
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The Salafee, wahabees, Sunnis, Shias, and all the sectarians belive in the blasphemy committed by Mr. Bukhari, and are not at all ashamed.
They don't fear Allah.It's not that they don't fear Allah, the problem is they are retarded.
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It's not that they don't fear Allah, the problem is they are retarded.
They are retarted, that is why they don't fear Allah.
They are extremist, cruel, unjust, deaf, dumb, blind, and depressed people.
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They are retarted, that is why they don't fear Allah.
They extremist, cruel, unjust, deaf, dumb, blind, and depressed people.
They DO fear Allah, but they have wrong beliefs.
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They DO fear Allah, but they have wrong beliefs.
Since the sectarians Salafee, Sunnis, shias believe in the alleged hadith of Shafa'ut (Intercession), then where is Fear of Allah.
They have their certificates in their pockets, that they are forgiven and blessed by dint of Intecession.
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Assalamou aleykoum
I suggest blah blah blah .
Assalam
@salaheddine Is the Quran complete? The Quran says that it is (AQ 6114-115). If the Quran is complete, then what use are hadiths? To accept a single extra-Quranic hadith as binding is to be a denier of the Quran. To deny that the Quran is complete would also make a person a denier of the Quran. Why are you a denier? Even now it is not too late to come to the deen of ALLAH, ISA.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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@Abdul-hadi The difference between you and me is that me I respect people, but you, you don't respect people (quoting my message ...).
The difference between you and me is that I don't say that hadiths are false just to please my soul. Hadiths are true, and I love the prophet. THIS IS THE REAL FAITH.Lakoum dinokom wa liya dini
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@Abdul-hadi The difference between you and me is that me I respect people, but you, you don't respect people (quoting my message ...).
The difference between you and me is that I don't say that hadiths are false just to please my soul. Hadiths are true, and I love the prophet. THIS IS THE REAL FAITH.Lakoum dinokom wa liya dini
And I am the President of the United States of America.
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Please read this carefully
I fear allah more than you. I love prophet muhammad (saws) more than you. I'm not a barbar or cruel or wathever, you accuse me without knowing me, Who is the cruel here ? I just follow Allah and his messenger and I say "rabbana samiina wa attana" God we listen and we obey. I also have all my mind, i'm not a retarded like you say to me, I'm a person of science who has studied physics, mathematics and now I pursue my study in a famous university in my country in computer engineering. I'm afraid of the punition of Allah in the day of resurection. All the pain in this world won't equal the pain reserved by allah to the in the day of resurection. So my message to you is to stop disturbing people minds and go back to the original religion of Islam and follow quran and Sunna of our prophet like the sahaba. if you say that hadiths are false, you say that the Sahaba were wrong in following the prophet. So you think that the sahaba will go to hellfire ? The sahabi Khalid bnou lwalid doesn't fear nothing but Allah "Khalid is said to have fought valiantly at the Battle of Mu'tah and to have broken nine swords during the battle" Whithout Allah and without people like him, Islam will not be there. He will go to hellfire too by following the prophet sunna ? I say that you are in a wrong way in this forum. True muslims while they listen to a hadith they say God we listen and we obey. THIS is faith. Why am I into this forum trying to persuade people ? Do I have nothing to do ? No, I do this only for Allah to have a chance to escape from his painful punition.
(Sorry for my english because i speak only french and arabic). I hope that you people go back to your true religion, the religion of the sahabas and the religion of the prophet muhammad. -
I think that when the verse was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad he should do explain to his companions if he didn't explain to them, then the verse must be interpreted in many segments, or it might be chaotic among the companions about the verses. On the other hand, his companions must asked the Prophet when their had got the questions about the clue of the verses. However, the practiced of the Prophet according to God revealed must be the best pattern of conduct and clear among the companions. I do believe that all the practice of the prophet must be told and remembered by his companions and would be tradition for centuries after the Prophet passed away. In my opinion Imam Bukhari did a great job in collecting the prophetic traditions. I don?t believe all words of Bukhari, but I read the Qur-an and compared with Bukhari. I realized that when you read the book of Buhkari liken to read the historic book. We have been reading many books since we could read as; Scientific book, business book and etc. But some theories we can get and some we can deny.
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And I am the President of the United States of America.
Salam,
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PEACE
------------------- Student of Allah
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Please read this carefully
I fear allah more than you. I love prophet muhammad (saws) more than you. I'm not a barbar or cruel or wathever, you accuse me without knowing me, Who is the cruel here ? I just follow Allah and his messenger and I say "rabbana samiina wa attana" God we listen and we obey. I also have all my mind, i'm not a retarded like you say to me, I'm a person of science who has studied physics, mathematics and now I pursue my study in a famous university in my country in computer engineering. I'm afraid of the punition of Allah in the day of resurection. All the pain in this world won't equal the pain reserved by allah to the in the day of resurection. So my message to you is to stop disturbing people minds and go back to the original religion of Islam and follow quran and Sunna of our prophet like the sahaba. if you say that hadiths are false, you say that the Sahaba were wrong in following the prophet. So you think that the sahaba will go to hellfire ? The sahabi Khalid bnou lwalid doesn't fear nothing but Allah "Khalid is said to have fought valiantly at the Battle of Mu'tah and to have broken nine swords during the battle" Whithout Allah and without people like him, Islam will not be there. He will go to hellfire too by following the prophet sunna ? I say that you are in a wrong way in this forum. True muslims while they listen to a hadith they say God we listen and we obey. THIS is faith. Why am I into this forum trying to persuade people ? Do I have nothing to do ? No, I do this only for Allah to have a chance to escape from his painful punition.
(Sorry for my english because i speak only french and arabic). I hope that you people go back to your true religion, the religion of the sahabas and the religion of the prophet muhammad.Peace,
Though your heart may be in the right place, your mind isn't. Sunnah is from the Quran. What Prophet Muhammad said and did is in the Quran. That is the perfect Sunnah! The hadith are not divinely protected, and therefore have many faults. The Quran is infallible.
We cannot just blindly follow what we think is religion. Allah wants us to use our eyes and ears too, and be smart about things.
True muslims while they listen to a hadith they say God we listen and we obey. THIS is faith.
Religious faith is not to be blind. Faith must depend upon valid reason. Why don't you believe in the Bible? It has the exact same composition and went through a very similar process as the hadith did. Yet I assume you would be quick to say it is corrupted by man. Think carefully. Did Prophet Muhammad follow hadith? No, because they were compiled hundreds of years after his death. Did Prophet Muhammad's salaat consist of praising himself? No. It does not make sense.
At the end of the day, Lakum Dinukum Waliyadin, indeed. But what I fear for you brother, is that here you are seeing quotes from Quran saying to reject hadith, yet you still persist and even try to dissuade others from this truth. The ones who receive the truth and reject it, and then work against the path of Allah are in the worst position. Of course you may not believe this is the correct path, but you do not seem so sure.
Here we are giving Quranic verses to back up our points, you have not yet brought up even one valid point using the Quran that indicates we should follow hadith. Allah wants us to have evidence of our claims. If you have no evidence and yet dissuade others from this path, you are going to become one of the hypocrites Allah talks about.
If you believe in hadith so much, let me quote some for you
Muhammad Husayn Haykal
Umar ibn al-Khattab once tried to deal with the problem of committing the Hadith to writing. The companions of the Prophet whom he consulted, encouraged him, but he was not quite sure whether he should proceed. One day, moved by God's inspiration, he made up his mind and announced "I wanted to have the traditions of the Prophet written down, but I fear that the Book of God might be encroached upon. Hence I shall not permit this to happen." He, therefore, changed his mind and instructed the Muslims throughout the provinces "Whoever has a document bearing a prophetic tradition, shall destroy it." The Hadith, therefore, continued to be transmitted orally and was not collected and written down until the period of al-Mamun.
Dr. Mohammad Hamidullah
Abu-Dhahabi reports The Caliph Abu-Bakr compiled a work, in which there were 500 traditions of the Prophet, and handed it over to his daughter 'Aishah. The next morning, he took it back from her and destroyed it, saying "I wrote what I understood; it is possible however that there should be certain things in it which did not correspond textually with what the Prophet had uttered."
As to Umar, we learn on the authority of Ma'mar ibn Rashid, that during his caliphate, Umar once consulted the companions of the Prophet on the subject of codifying the Hadith. Everybody seconded the idea. Yet Umar continued to hesitate and pray to God for a whole month for guidance and enlightenment. Ultimately, he decided not to undertake the task, and said "Former peoples neglected the Divine Books and concentrated only on the conduct of the prophets; I do not want to set up the possibility of confusion between the Divine Qur?an and the Prophet's Hadith."
This is from your own beloved hadith.
Peace.