When should I fast?

Wilson

Peace.

To Ayman A follower of Qur?an only, living in the far north of Sweden would like to know how he is supposed to fast during the peak of summer. The full moon is visible during the summer months, however the sun never sets there, in that season, so how is he supposed to start and finish his fast and when; after he witnesses the full moon?

The god told us that those who can abstain but with difficulty can instead feed the needy. So this would apply to anyone living in an area where the day is excessively long.

Abdelilah

farida

Salaam
The question is not about ?who can abstain but with difficulty? but simply about the division of the day ?seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears?; 2187
The problem is that, during the summer when, according to Ayman, one is reguired to fast there is continuous daylight in the north of Sweden and continuous darkness during the winter when, according to Layth, one is supposed to fast. hmm

peace

Layth

Dear Farida,

I am not sure why you keep saying that one is supposed to fast during endless nights or continuous daylight.

The Quran is clear on the subject of "witnessing the month". The people you refer to, or the people on the moon or in space etc. cannot "witness" this month as it is unique to the northern hemesphere - hence they are not required to fast.

farida

Dear Farida,

I am not sure why you keep saying that one is supposed to fast during endless nights or continuous daylight.

The Quran is clear on the subject of "witnessing the month". The people you refer to, or the people on the moon or in space etc. cannot "witness" this month as it is unique to the northern hemesphere - hence they are not required to fast.

Salaam Layth,

Thank you for your reply. I am glad to know that, unlike Ayman, you do believe in witnessing the month, and that is the traditional understanding of Ramadan, as this is the month known from the Qur?an 2183 O ye who believe! fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,- tattaqoona.
According to the traditonal lunar Ramadan everyone would get the chance to fast as the month of fast revolves around the year, but according to your understanding of Ramadan in December, you would deprive a number of people of participating in seeking Allah (tattaqoona) by limiting this to the winter time when part of world is unable to witness the month.
I believe Allah deprives no one, including the blind, of the chance to attain salvation, as the Qur?an is the guidance for all mutaqeen living on this earth. Those in space would get the chance to fast once they arrive back to earth, but those who are permanently living near the poles would miss out on the blessed month and the blessed night. (

peace

Wilson

Peace.

According to the traditonal lunar Ramadan everyone would get the chance to fast as the month of fast revolves around the year, but according to your understanding of Ramadan in December, you would deprive a number of people of participating in seeking Allah (tattaqoona) by limiting this to the winter time when part of world is unable to witness the month.
I believe Allah deprives no one, including the blind, of the chance to attain salvation, as the Qur?an is the guidance for all mutaqeen living on this earth. Those in space would get the chance to fast once they arrive back to earth, but those who are permanently living near the poles would miss out on the blessed month and the blessed night.

Won't your understanding deprive all people of participating in the abstinence (except maybe time-travelers). Because how can you have witnessed the month first then fast it?

Abdelilah

farida

Peace.

Won't your understanding deprive all people of participating in the abstinence (except maybe time-travelers). Because how can you have witnessed the month first then fast it?

Abdelilah

Salaam
You witness birth of new moon of Ramadan and then fast in that month, like human life cycle, from birth to prime age and then back to weak and old stage = age.
peace

Layth

Dear Farida,

According to the traditonal lunar Ramadan everyone would get the chance to fast as the month of fast revolves around the year, but according to your understanding of Ramadan in December, you would deprive a number of people of participating in seeking Allah (tattaqoona) by limiting this to the winter time when part of world is unable to witness the month.
I believe Allah deprives no one, including the blind, of the chance to attain salvation, as the Qur?an is the guidance for all mutaqeen living on this earth. Those in space would get the chance to fast once they arrive back to earth, but those who are permanently living near the poles would miss out on the blessed month and the blessed night.

God's mercy is all encompassing - none of us can withhold it )
Nothing is being deprived. In His mercy, God gives allowances for those travelling or who are ill to fast at other times, and those who can only do so with difficulty to feed the poor (2184).
The examples you speak of (space, north pole, etc.) are not places where normally people reside - so these are to be looked at under the laws of "circumstance" as mentioned in point # 2 above. Even the entire southern hemespehre, who will not "witness" the month of Ramadhan as it will be summer with them are allowed leeway under God's laws of "circumstances" - which is how God made His system - EASY not HARD.
Fasting is decreed for the believers (muminen), not the general public, or the Muslims, or the Sunni/Shite masses. This point is very relevant when realizing the objective of the fast rather than the number of people who will do it.

farida

Dear Farida,

God's mercy is all encompassing - none of us can withhold it )
Nothing is being deprived. In His mercy, God gives allowances for those travelling or who are ill to fast at other times, and those who can only do so with difficulty to feed the poor (2184).
The examples you speak of (space, north pole, etc.) are not places where normally people reside - so these are to be looked at under the laws of "circumstance" as mentioned in point # 2 above. Even the entire southern hemespehre, who will not "witness" the month of Ramadhan as it will be summer with them are allowed leeway under God's laws of "circumstances" - which is how God made His system - EASY not HARD.
Fasting is decreed for the believers (muminen), not the general public, or the Muslims, or the Sunni/Shite masses. This point is very relevant when realizing the objective of the fast rather than the number of people who will do it.

Salaam Layth
Its not about minority or majority fasting but its about equall opportunity for all those who witness the month of Ramadan.
So according to your winter Ramadan a part of muminen can never fast with the rest of the muminen because they live near the poles so, despite not being ill nor finding it difficult to fast, they must wait till the day break happens, whereas the month of Ramadan according to AQ would include them with everyone else when Ramadan falls in spring or autumn? peace

GODsubmitter

Salam Realitykid,

I fast for 10 days during the month of Ramadhan - which happens to always occur in/around December 21/22.

Here is an article on a calendar derived from the Quran http//free-minds.org/calendars-and-time

And another on th "Night of Decree" http//free-minds.org/night-decree

I've read those interesting articles... but I do not understand inconsistencies...

First it says Miriam didn't bore Jesus as any common woman, so she didn't need 9 months as usual., then it says it calculates when he was conceived, being 9 months before September?

Then, the 13th lunar month which appears now and then, should just be ignored... ???
In what way?

And finally how long to we fast? 3 days, 10 or 30? And when? Each year the same month or rotating?

FreedomStands

Why don't you all fast when everyone else is fasting? Then anything else too? Cover your bases I guess!