Chapter 1

The_Anti-Mason

Why is it that the first verse "Bismillah Al Rahman Al Raheem" is considered to be the part of this chapter, and is NOT included as the first one in the others (excluding Surah At Tawba)? idea

zenje

Peac Anti-Mason,

Why is it that the first verse "Bismillah Al Rahman Al Raheem" is considered to be the part of this chapter...

As far as I know, it's appearance in the quran is in verse 11 and 2730 only.

Wakas

http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1035

In addition to the above relevant thread, I'd add this trans

With the name of The God/Divine, The Almighty, The Merciful/Embracing (I Begin).
Praise/thanks/appreciation be to The God, The Lord/Owner/Master of the creations/beings.
The Almighty, The Merciful/Embracing.
Authority/Controller of the Time/Day of Obligation.
You we serve/obey/keep to inseperably, You we seek for assistance/help/advance.
Guide us to the straight/correct path/way.
The path/way of those whom You blessed/favoured, not those who have incurred/brought the wrath/anger, nor the misguided/straying.

Wakas

Someone

Peace,

2181

....and we had knowledge over everything.

This sign shows that "3alamin" or "3alimin" is related to knowledge, not to worlds or universes.

Wakas

peace be upon you,

2181 deals with the derivative AAalimeena

12 deals with the derivative AAalameena

Please see the following signs which clearly demonstrate the meaning of AAalameena 780, 1570, 2623, 26165, 296, 2910, 2928, 4432

some examples

And We have chosen them, knowingly/knowledgeably (AAilmin), over the creations/beings (AAalameena).

Do you approach the males of the creations/beings (AAalameena)?

Pharaoh said "And what is the Lord of the creations/beings (AAalameena)?"
He said "The Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, if you are aware"

I am not saying knowledge is not a possible meaning of the root, all I'm saying is AAalameena is consistantly used as creations/beings throughout al quran / the reading.

Wakas

marie

Peace brother wakas,

I agree with you and thanks for the clarification.

In arabic, several words are written in the same way but are read in different manners whith different vowels. Consequently they have several meanings according the context.

Someone

Peace Wakas, all

Thanks for the clarifications.

I view the word "AAlameena" as an empty word for now, I'm not able to find a singular form of this word in the scripture. I don't see a link with creations. I'm failing to grasp it's meaning from the verses such as 2623-24.

In those verses, I think it's not a clear cut response, I mean "AAlameena" is not necessarly equal to "the heavens and the earth and all that is between them". Like in the god is the truth, he's the originator the creator, but these attributes are not equal in meaning, but are equivalent in describing the same god.

The same way, the lord of "al-aalameena" is equivalent to the lord of "the heavens and the earth and all that is between them" since it's describing the same lord, but it's far from saying that "al-aalameena" is equal to "the heavens and the earth and all that is between them"

I hope you see the difference, but I agree for now with your understanding until the god brings a better understanding.

Wakas

peace be upon you Someone, all,

I understand perfectly what you mean, but I personally find the answer given by Moses telling. It, at least, gives an impression of the meaning. The other signs clarify this 'impression' in my opinion.

To me, in part, mankind is knowledge manifest/tangible (like all of creation), thus I can see a link.

Wakas

Superposition

Wassalaam

In Arabic, the singular "AAlam" is frequently used to mean "world" or "universe". Its Hebrew cognate is "Aolam" (long "o", corresponding to Arabic long "a"). Jews frequently refer to God as "melekh ha-Aolam" ("King of the Universe"). Thus, "rabbi-l-Aalameen", "lord of the worlds", is correct and similar in meaning to the Hebrew phrase.

hlatif

Salam all,

The way I understand AL-AAaLAMEEN is that it really means THE Known Things. Since GOD Knows Every Thing, then To GOD, AL-AAalameen is Everything.

That is my humble opinion

Salam

Hussein

Superposition

Wassalaam

http//dictionary.ajeeb.com translates as "cosmos , kingdom , macrocosm , world , universe".

TheNabi

Salaam,

In 16-7 the straight path, to which guidance is asked for, is one in which its treaders are blessed . The misguided and those who have Allah's wrath are opposed to these blessed people on the straight path herein mentioned.

Joe

bmbmm

I am not sure about this issue Do we have to send salam and blessings to the prophet? I am having a very heated debate with my parents regarding this, as I clearly see it as making a distinction among the prophets. Which is not allowed.

Leena

Salam alaikum,

I just read this in the SAQ (http//www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/QURAN/) and I didn't have a clue how to answer it (for myself -P). Any ideas?

Referring to chapter 1

Muslims believe that Allah is the author of the Quran, yet the first surah (Fatihah, The Opening) is clearly a prayer addressed to Allah.

Upon reading it, it does seem like a prayer, but who is speaking it? Does it fit with anything else that would indicate that "someone" is saying it?

Thanks.

JHamza

I believe its a form of praise,remember Allah gave the Quran to Muhammad to deliver to us,so the way I see it,its what Allah told Muhammad and us all as what to say..not what Allah was saying to himself.