Chapter 2 (verses 1-50)
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Salaams all,
however insignificant,Allah did send the quran to make things clear and understandable - to clear up the falsified data in the Jewish and Biblical Books.But to many of us ,it has gone back in the quran not in the Arabic but to me in the translations,But i can't imagine why the arabs Knowing their language fully can't be shown it ?In the ayat 250,It is i think the Magicians those of knowledge deviating from Pharoeh and siding with Allah because of the strenghth of the arguments of Moses taught to him by the Almighty not disrespecting any other views ,Heres one .
From the Message.
- So the magicians went down in prostration. They said ?We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses.?
- He said ?Have you believed to him before taking my permission? He is surely your great one who has taught you magic. So, I will cut off your hands and feet from alternate sides, and I will crucify you on the trunks of the palm trees, and you will come to know which of us is greater in retribution and more lasting!?
And Allah then inspires Moses to travel ,after this above breakup in pharoes people-in 2077.
Now lets try translating ayat 250
The translation from the Message is
- And We parted the sea for you, thus We saved you and drowned the people of Pharaoh while you were watching.
Bahra=Sea/Land/Large body of water/Generous man/MAN OF EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE.
Faraqa=To make a devision or distinction(make a schism-break among people of same religion,or right from wrong).One example of Garak from lanes,although there are others depicting same meaning and/or use.
Agarakho AlNaas = The people multiplied against him and overcame him.
And so 250
And remember when we devided(the right from the wrong)
for you the man of knowledge and saved you and we multiplied the people against pharoe while you were looking.Salaams.
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Look to Pakistan,how that came about-through the negotiations,debates primarily by the man named Qaid-e-azam with his compatriots.A whole country was created from india,split up.Whilst other countries have been created aswell and these people wern't even prophets as such and didn't have any magical powers(does anybody really need any) -to my knowledge.I think this gives some insight into how the prophet Moses might have acheived what he did.
Just an insight.
And Salaams.
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Peace be upon you MZ,
I like the line of reasoning away from the magical powers most attribute to these stories.
But I disagree with the outcome. I think we have to look closer at the symbolisms.
Large bodies of water are UNSTABLE environments for human beings, whereas the land is STABLE for us. That is why we have to create a "land-like" environment in order to get across called BOATS.
Noah created a stable environment (the ark) in order to get through the unstable environment that destroyed the wicked.
JOnah was thrown into the unstable environment and was swallowed by a big fish.
Fire and water are similar in thier symbolisms. A small fire is helpful and beneficial to us, such as the burning bush of Musa, or a flame to warm oursleves by, etc. But when that fire gets out of control, it causes harm. Like wise, when we have rain, it brings life, but too much brings a flood which destroys.
Here in my hometown , just yesterday, we recieved the remnants of a hurricane that hit Florida, a woman was standing at a bus stop and was swept away by flood waters and died.
Lastly, another point to remember is that he God tells us that the large body of water divided and became like two mountains. Mountains symbolize that which is meant to stabalize, or a government. Remember that Noah's son tried to seek refuge from some "mountain" when the flood came.
MZ, please think about these obervances of water and mountains and tell me your thoughts.
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Salaams Br. idolfree,
love your theory,but it to me can't/isn't practical unless we are given definitions for the symbols.As there are billions of humans and they can all come up with different meanings.How can we agree unless we first have agreed on what a symbol stands for,and all them humans its unlikely unless the God tells what the symbols mean.
But i think if you take it as the quran in Arabic ,as is told then we all Know the language or have the means to investigate it,things are afar simple.
I reckon all the stories which are enchanting actually if translated right would make perfect sense.
Pitty the Arabs arn't as competent to translate their lingo,i think anyways,but Allah will help.
Allah Hafiz. -
Peace be upon you MZ,
love your theory,but it to me can't/isn't practical unless we are given definitions for the symbols.As there are billions of humans and they can all come up with different meanings.
How can we agree unless we first have agreed on what a symbol stands for,and all them humans its unlikely unless the God tells what the symbols mean.
The God only gives the proper interpretation to those who attain knowledge. So it won't be everyone, in fact, it will be only a few.
But i think if you take it as the quran in Arabic ,as is told then we all Know the language or have the means to investigate it,things are afar simple.
How do we investigate it? By using manmade dictionaries? WHo gave those authors thier definition? Why cant you and I use our minds the same way the dictionary writers used thiers? Are we inferior to the great dictionary writers?
Do you not see that land is stable, while water is unstable? Have you tried to walk on both and experiecned the difference? What is the need for boats?
I reckon all the stories which are enchanting actually if translated right would make perfect sense.
Ithink they will make perfect sense when the God teaches us the proper interpretation of the stories as he did for Joseph. Joseph was given a SYMBOLISM of the planets prostrating. Is that a CLEAR story? DO you think many people will come up with different explanations of it? But the God came after that and showed Joseph through his life experience EXACTL what was meant by that SYMBOLISM.
DO you see?
Pitty the Arabs arn't as competent to translate their lingo,i think anyways,but Allah will help.
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Salaam idolfree.
You said
Ithink they will make perfect sense when the God teaches us the proper interpretation of the stories as he did for Joseph.
But i think the Quran was here to teach us it is the explanation of the stories,aswell.
And Books and dictionaries are an essential tool for the progress of mankind,and no i don't think our minds are capable of doing what we are doing without them.
Allah Hafiz.
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Peace be upon you MZ,
Ithink they will make perfect sense when the God teaches us the proper interpretation of the stories as he did for Joseph.
But i think the Quran was here to teach us it is the explanation of the stories,aswell.
Isnt this reading(quran) the God's Word?
And Books and dictionaries are an essential tool for the progress of mankind
Yes, they are tools, but that does not equate that they are perfect. We must verify everything.
,and no i don't think our minds are capable of doing what we are doing without them.
Say again? I don't know what you just meant.
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A quick once over...
Chapter 2
- A.L.M.
- This is the scripture/decree/law/prescription in which there is no doubt, a guide/direction for the righteous/forethoughtful/prepared.
- Those who believe / have conviction in the unseen/unperceived, and uphold/maintain/vivify the bond/link, and from Our provisions to them they spend/give.
- And those who believe / have conviction in what was sent down / revealed to you, and what was sent down /revealed before you, and regarding the Hereafter they are certain/sure.
- They are on guidance/direction from their Lord, and they are the winners/successful.
- As for those who reject/conceal, whether you warn/tell them or do not warn/tell them, they will not believe/accept.
- God has made an imprint/seal/pattern upon their hearts and upon their ears, and over their eyes is a covering/refusal. They will incur/receive a great/significant retribution.
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A quick once over...
- And from the people are those who Say ?We believe in God and in the last/deferred day,? but they are not believers.
- They seek to deceive/fool God and those who believe, but they only deceive/fool themselves without realising/noticing.
- In their hearts is a disease/disorder/imbalance, so God increases/amplifies their disease/disorder/imbalance, and they will have a painful retribution/outcome for what they have denied/discarded.
- And if they are told ?Do not make mischief/corruption on Earth,? they Say ?But we are the reformers/good-doers!?
- No, they are the mischievous/corrupt, but they do not perceive/realise.
- And if they are told/advised ?Believe, as the people have believed,? they Say ?Shall we believe as the fools/misled have believed?? No, they are the fools/misled but they do not know/understand.
- And if they come across those who have conviction, they Say ?We believe,? and when they pass to their evil/hidden desires/demons they Say ?truly, we are with you, we were only mocking.?
- God mocks them, and leaves them prolonged/wandering in their transgression/defiance/error.
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Salaam,
In 217-20 an example/mathal is given of such people mentioned in the prior ayatin/signs.
The people start or build up on a system of beliefs which gives them a particular perspective about the world. They do not percieve that this system is wrong.
The rejectors fear to hear anything of that which is from Allah. The system of Allah befuddles or confounds them except where it lies in conformity with their own system. Otherwise they do not understand and heed it not even though they have the means of perception.
In 214-16 an unprofitable trade (straying for guidance) is one which the mockers delve in, but they in fact are mocked by this self-deception. Or Allah pays them back in mockery by leaving them to traverse a path which is not worth any gain.
Joe
