Robot performing best Salat as a ritual preyer
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Exactly "producer", as Allah created and creates all and everything else.
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Well "Paradox Uncreated", first of all, Allah is not a deity or god, but The Reality Itself, The Principle of the Objective Now.
But if you wish to speak metaphorically, God has permeated all and everything with His Qualities from the moment He created it all, and included in everything all His Wisdom and Truth. There is not a single atom outside of Him.So, all the material objects are part and creation of Allah. Is it not written in The Reading (Quran) that Allah created earth and sky and all that is in between?
I separate the uncreated and the created. And that is what scripture does aswell. And what the gnostic experiences. Pantheism is something the sufis made up, or the kabbalists, or maybe it goes back to early hindu thought.
Thus God, is the single God of his creation. Creator, sustainer, owner, developer, designer, author etc.
And you can know it is yourself by thinking of will. Will is not a program. One can do as one wish. And that is not what a finite-state-machine can do. Therefore this will is transcendent, a paradox. And since selfsufficency (free-will) requires qualities such as allmightyness and allknowingness (these are the same), there cannot be more than one will. So all will must be God. Therefore there is only one intelligence in the universe, which creates and controls it.
The paradox is furthermore evident, in that an allmighty being can do the impossible. Aka do what it cannot do. This is our nature.
This paradox is the miracle of life.
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Exactly "producer", as Allah created and creates all and everything else.
Exactly is the word.
I often use closes to/ approximation about God. Nothing can Exactly Comprehend God.
Like there is, or there isn't. "There is" is much closer to Comprehend God. Its not Exactly, but pretty close.
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There is a difference between creator and creation but there is only one will, one truth, one reality. Creation cannot exist creatorless but creator can exist creationless. That's as far as I understand the distinction.
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Creation exists because Creator wills. - Every moment designed. Praised Be God.
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Creation exists because Creator wills. - Every moment designed. Praised Be God.
There is a difference between creator and creation but there is only one will, one truth, one reality. Creation cannot exist creatorless but creator can exist creationless. That's as far as I understand the distinction.
Allah created Reality.
Putting Gods qualities on a material object is kind of .. weird.
Gentleman, would you be so kind to stay focused on the subject, please?
Thank you
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God tells us to establish our prayers in reverance!
Worship God as you would worship a king (i.e Worship him in his Holiness, Awsomness & Greatness!!!(also to Godsubmitt, thank you for providing us with the link of the "Mental Bondage" book! it has very controversial things! like the salat! how can you explain then when God gives us an example of a person (zachariYAH) who was "standing" doing his "salat" (. also when Muhammed finished establishing "salat" with a group of people, they prostrated "sajado" to finish).
Controversial indeed, but it has other topics that are nice to think about hmm
We can thus conclude that no one knows the meaning of the Quran but God Almighty, it's author itself!. -
Thank you "youssef4342" for your post.
I am a bit uneasy with the word "worship", since Allah is not a deity, and commitment to Allah's Law can of course be done even standing, and in reverence, too.
If you read the rest of my posts, you can get some ideas about what I mean by commitments (salat), keep them pure (zakat) and submitting to them (sujood).
Or even better, from that book "MB".La ilahe ill-Allah = ?There is no GOD, only ALLAH?
?Set not up with ALLAH any GOD!" The KORAN, 2888 -
Hey Godsubmitter,
I am a bit uneasy with the word "worship", since Allah is not a deity, and commitment to Allah's Law can of course be done even standing, and in reverence, too.
I'm intrigued; what do you mean by this?
Cheers!
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Hey Godsubmitter,
I'm intrigued; what do you mean by this?
Cheers!
Which part intrigues you "Tyler Durden"?
Cheers chap ) -
oops i forgot to bold it. The "Allah is not a deity" part.
Thanks old bean.
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It is a condition that a person KNOWS what they are saying in salat (443).
Likewise the curse of ALLAH is on people who do the salat mindlessly (chapter 107).
These two things alone should be enough to understand that there is no room for robotics in the biosphere.
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Thank you "youssef4342" for your post.
I am a bit uneasy with the word "worship", since Allah is not a deity, and commitment to Allah's Law can of course be done even standing, and in reverence, too.
Peace be upon you!
God states " a god, besides GOD?" Thus God is the REAL deity, while everything else is a fabrication!
And "Sujud"/rk3 meaning prostrating?
*Their marks are upon their faces from "sujud" (4829)
*"sujud" at night (5040)
*Moses and the magicians, they fell upon their faces (2646)
*what about David, when he bowed down, after he thought he made a mistake in judgment (rk3) -
Hi youssef4342, I must stress once more that the problem is in translations (apart from other problems with the original Quran in Arabic, since the VERY first copy was burnt (http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601770.msg270982#msg270982).
I suspect that you are a bit lazy to read the book "Mental Bondage" and that's why you pose again these questions about sujood. King David certainly did not perform the ritual prayers as today Muslims do!As for ORF,
It is a condition that a person KNOWS what they are saying in salat (443).
precisely!!! Most of people who are not native-Arabic speaking do not even have a clue what are they saying nowadays!
Likewise the curse of ALLAH is on people who do the salat mindlessly (chapter 107).
apart from that... The curse here means, as Allah's Law is that of cause and effect, that you use your time in a vane way.
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Peace!
May the lord God resolve our disputes!
To Godsubmiter!
Watch the Original Jewish Amidah (Standing Prayer)
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwgAlso, from my understanding, God is the only deity! everything else is man man innovation (e.g zeus).
God states that he is the "ilah" in heaven and on earth. God is the only "ilah"/god.
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"apart from that... The curse here means, as Allah's Law is that of cause and effect, that you use your time in a vane way."
Thanks for the clarification! That could very well have been read by the reader to mean some magical curse that you can't see. But tis not what I meant!
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How strange...
I read almost all the topics and posts concerning the Salat and ritual prayer in this Forum, and not once I read that someone wrote about his personal experience during, or after, namaz... or, that someone wrote something like ..."just finished my prayers, and now, purified, I write this post..." etc etcYou know, when I used to be in Jewish tradition back in the past, I used to have real uplifting experiences praying, or reading the Psalms standing and swaying gently...
And while in Christian tradition, also back in the past, I felt several spiritual uplifting moments and periods with the "prayer of the heart" as it is called in that tradition, or simply praying "Pater Nostrum" with focus (no choreography).
Then, when I embraced Islam, I savored the 5 daily prayers so very much, until they somehow shifted into something quite shallow and confusing because of all that dispute and misguidance surrounding it. Whether it is 2, or 3 daily, or 5, whether it is hadith or quran, whether it is ritual or "link", or just commitment or meditation... It all just spoiled my enjoyment and dedication... since I am not in a position to read Quran in Arabic, let alone to HEAR the guidance directly from God...
And then, I also just noticed that nobody in this Forum ever said a word, or shared his experience of the actual personal salat...Certainly I do not want to end up performing some Zoroastrian religion, manifested through Pharisee Judaism and namaz in Islam, if that's what it is.
But on the other hand, if that might be the very first religion which even Abraham knew, then... who knows...Anyway, I just read too many sophisticated dissertations, surgically scrutinizing the semantics and grammar of the text (which remind me so much of Talmudic discussions, but none is ever going to surpass the Jews in that!), and too many brain and intellectual analysis of the letter, with little or no ruah at all...
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How strange...
I read almost all the topics and posts concerning the Salat and ritual prayer in this Forum, and not once I read that someone wrote about his personal experience during, or after, namaz... or, that someone wrote something like ..."just finished my prayers, and now, purified, I write this post..." etc etcYou know, when I used to be in Jewish tradition back in the past, I used to have real uplifting experiences praying, or reading the Psalms standing and swaying gently...
And while in Christian tradition, also back in the past, I felt several spiritual uplifting moments and periods with the "prayer of the heart" as it is called in that tradition, or simply praying "Pater Nostrum" with focus (no choreography).
Then, when I embraced Islam, I savored the 5 daily prayers so very much, until they somehow shifted into something quite shallow and confusing because of all that dispute and misguidance surrounding it. Whether it is 2, or 3 daily, or 5, whether it is hadith or quran, whether it is ritual or "link", or just commitment or meditation... It all just spoiled my enjoyment and dedication... since I am not in a position to read Quran in Arabic, let alone to HEAR the guidance directly from God...
And then, I also just noticed that nobody in this Forum ever said a word, or shared his experience of the actual personal salat...Certainly I do not want to end up performing some Zoroastrian religion, manifested through Pharisee Judaism and namaz in Islam, if that's what it is.
But on the other hand, if that might be the very first religion which even Abraham knew, then... who knows...Anyway, I just read too many sophisticated dissertations, surgically scrutinizing the semantics and grammar of the text (which remind me so much of Talmudic discussions, but none is ever going to surpass the Jews in that!), and too many brain and intellectual analysis of the letter, with little or no ruah at all...
Peace GODSubmitter!
I Can feel your Anxiety!
An Advice from me would be to Sencerily Ask His Majety to Guide you!
I sense your questioning of where is the correct path? It His Majesty who knows the right path and it is His Majesty who guides to it!
About the Salat, as I stated before that it is not Choreographed. The whole sole purpose of the Salat is to remember His Majesty, because when we do remember His Majesty, He in affect remembers us. (Take it like a close friend you communicate with frequently vs a friend you rarely communicate with; Now which of them is more likely to help you in times of trouble?)
My Personal Current(i.e today) 3 daily Salat variently lasts in duration (let's say i have time on my Hands Thanks be to His Majesty).Nevertheless, I Only stand, bow once, prostrate twice(beg/end), and spend most of the time kneeling in prayer/Reverance before his Majesty. I then Excuse myself and leave). Just Treat His Majesty Like a King! It Makes things easier and more sincere. How would you go about to asking a king? Would you not revere him? would you not try to stand in humbleness before him? would you not pray to him senserily and from the bottom of your heart?
Tell His Majesty your worries, desires, ASK His Majesty for anything!; Guidance, Mercy,Wisdom/knowledge, forgiveness, ease, support, ability to do new things Etc. Talk to His Majesty as you would do to a king; place reverance & veneration in between. His Majesty Assures you that by His Mercy, He will answer you! His Majesty is not owned by anyone, (i.e only for a group of people), not the Jews, not the Christians, not even the "Muslims". Rather, in Retrospect, His Majesty Owns All! His Majesty's Mercy is not Owned by no one, but he grants it to those who 1) lead a righteous life 2) Give to charity and 3) believe in his revelations (7156). His Supreme Majesty is Rich and bountous; He spends and his Hands are Wide open!
His Supreme, Loyal Majesty is Good and Gracious! Have you noted the Parables of the Prodigal son, the Lost Coin, the Pharisee and the Publican, and the Workers in the Vineyard? All of these show that His Majesty is even Good, sometimes even better to those who repent and seek His ways/means/approval.
His Majesty is Good. It is obvious that you've been traveling and goin from one thing to the other. You have to accept the fact that His majesty will test you, and you being his servant, need Seek His Majesty for His Help.
May His Majesty Guide & Direct His Servants to the Correct path pr~ Blessed is His Most Blessed Majesty, YAHUWAH, In His Holliness, Majesticness, and Greatness!
~ Hallelu-YAH ~