Taxes
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Sorry for the late reply, i forgot i posted this!
I have been searching for the articles which i read on the net and i have found one but its just an article on wiki.answers. I can't find the articles that i had read originally.
http//wiki.answers.com/Q/Concept_of_Taxation_in_Islam
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Greetings and Peace, all group
2256 There shall be no compulsion in the religion.
What do taxes have to do with the religion/deen? confused
Just because something is compulsory, it doesn't mean that it is prohibited IF it is not pertaining to the deen! !
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Pay you Taxes Voluntarily. I don't feel volunteer to pay taxes. Maybe in 1000years later I may get the feeling to Voluntarily pay taxes.
Tax done to fund the State Govt. Tariff is a tax on Import, protecting the State Local Industry.
Tax the State, Cheap imports will weaken the State. US free trade for example, Taxing the state, no tariff for imports(free trade).
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Salam,
I think most people misunderstand the concept of taxation. It can be used for benefit or cause injustice. Anarchist behaviors are seen from people who somewhat separate the state from its people and assume that the tax money will be used for increasing "the king's" wealth. But it does not have to be that. We can sort it out in a way which would benefit us. Spending it for our benefits and using it to make sure the economy doesn't collapse, we can defend ourselves against enemies, we can increase our knowledge, we can eat sleep and shit in peace
Everyone would like their interceptor fighter jets to destroy the enemy fleet if the enemy comes to attack their nation, but no one is willing to make sure we have the money to afford the fighter jets in the first place Setting a reasonable base tax rate does not mean you are creating a new law in God's perfect deen. It only violates the deen if your rate of tax or the reason for the taxation or the way you tax or the one you tax violates the deen.
Peace
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Thanks for the replies.
So
20% can be applied as a tax by an Islamic state.
And it says that in the Quran?
I was reading up on those "ask the imam" sites and they were saying there's only a 2.5% tax...not that i put much weight on anything they say.
Also, is it on income or wealth?
I don't mean to sound pedantic..I'm just curious to know.
Peace!
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Salaam,
taxation is the imposition of compulsory levies on individuals or entities by governments. This is both unlawful and un-Qur'anic, I have been studying the law for sometime and have concluded how to remove the fictions Layth and others of the accumulated wealth elite wish to impose upon those around them for their benefit.
Corporate Government itself is unlawful defined in Black's law dictionary as The regulation, restraint, supervision, or control which is exercised upon the individual members of an organised jural society by those invested with the supreme political authority, for the good and welfare of the corporation.
The system that forms fundamental rules and principles by which a State governs the individual of the corporation, to regulate their social actions through rights and duties of citizens and public officers as prescribed and defined.
All corporation is based upon the trust structure of the Roman Catholic Church's Holy Trinity, something the Qur'an warns against, infact this trinity repeats throughout the system of frauds we suffer world wide at present.
A trust introduced by the church is structure like this The ?Father? is the grantor of the trust, so the executor, he invests the substance, the ?Son? is the administrator of the trust he is the trustee, who can gain no benefit himself, the ?Holy Ghost? is the incorporeal entity that holds the substance in a legal instrument. The executor grants benefit, the trustee gives benefit.
The frauds of ownership, legislation, sovereignty, corporation, state, estate, usury, charter, statute and democracy are all easily eposed and explained if people take the time to think, and the alternatives of these frauds form the basis of Islam, this basis is the true objective of a Muslim and the true Salat to establish, taxation is an imposition, as all the frauds are, but consider the law can not impose, it can only protect, if a law does not protect me, it does not apply to me.
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Salaam,
taxation is the imposition of compulsory levies on individuals or entities by governments. This is both unlawful and un-Qur'anic, I have been studying the law for sometime and have concluded how to remove the fictions Layth and others of the accumulated wealth elite wish to impose upon those around them for their benefit.
I don't see anything wrong with 'tax', being governed properly taxation shall bring many benefits to society.
Being governed properly; taxation shall bring (among others)- Public services for the welfare of the masses (education, health and infrastructure)
- Good governance of the government with transparency and policy which being controlled by the public
- Social security services for the poor, the elderly and the unfortunate
Without good governance and transparency taxation could be a 'one of the mechanism' for accumulating wealth from the masses to the political elite. (Public fund from taxes are being transferred to their swiss bank account).
I intentionally mentioned 'one of the mechanism', as there are many other mechanism to accumulate wealth from the masses and/or public asset towards the political elite's bank account without taxation. (ie Kickbacks from government contract/policy, bribe , Share from oil/gas revenue which flow to their personal account etc..)
The main issue should be "how to govern public fund/money" and not whether 'the taxation' itself are legal or not.
For many of the oil/gas rich countries, they don't need to impose tax upon their citizen to fund the 'state administration' given the state income from oil/gas revenue are more than enough to provide public services and make the 'state administration' work rolling. Nevertheless... such 'public fund/money' from oil/gas revenue should be properly governed with transparency to avoid corruption / misuse / accumulation of wealth towards the political elite.
The type of economy as described above is being called as "rent-based economy" there are positive as well (many) negative side of this type of economy, feel free to research about it on the internet or economy books.
For those countries who are not fortunate enough to have abundant natural resources (ie Japan or South Korea) and in which main economic activities are coming from services and/or human activities, taxation will be a key mechanism to provide 'public fund/money'. Without taxation those countries cannot provide proper public services for the masses.
This kind of economy usually bring more 'transparency' and control by the public towards their government, as the government are being funded by public through taxes. As thus they need to be accountable towards their 'master' (which is the public who paid taxes) on how they use and channel the public money. And the public will demand those transparency because they feel part of their income are being 'taken away' by the government.
Salam / Peace
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I don't see anything wrong with 'tax', being governed properly taxation shall bring many benefits to society.
Being governed properly; taxation shall bring (among others)- Making Prime Ministers and/or Presidents rich
- Corrupted government
- Making Prime ministers and/or Presidents even richer
Without good governance and transparency taxation could be a 'one of the mechanism' for accumulating wealth from the masses to the political elite. (Public fund from taxes are being transferred to their swiss bank account).
I intentionally mentioned 'one of the mechanism', as there are many others mechanism to accumulate wealth from the masses towards political elite's bank account without taxation. (ie Kickbacks from government contract/policy, bribe , Share from oil/gas revenue which flow to their personal account etc..)
The main issue should be "how to govern public fund/money" and not whether 'the taxation' itself are legal or not.
For many of the oil/gas rich countries, they don't need to impose tax upon their citizen to fund the 'state administration' given the state income from oil/gas revenue are more than enough to provide public services and make the 'state administration' work rolling. Nevertheless... such 'public fund/money' from oil/gas revenue should be properly governed with transparency to avoid corruption / misuse / accumulation of wealth towards the political elite.
For those countries who are not fortunate enough to have abundant natural resources (ie Japan or Korea) and in which main economic activities are coming from services and/or human activities, taxation will be a key mechanism to provide 'public fund/money'. Without taxation those countries cannot provide proper public services for the masses.
Salam / Peace
Fixed that for you. Taxes or no taxes it's still that way
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Being governed improperly; taxation and/or state revenue from natural resources such as oil and gas shall bring (among others)
- Making Prime Ministers and/or Presidents rich
- Corrupted government
- Making Prime ministers and/or Presidents even richer
- Making the king and their royal family richer
- Funding the royal family stellar cruise ship with casinos and dancing girls from sweden, ukraine and russia.
- Buying luxurious estate for the royal family vacation house in swiss, las vegas or new york
- Funding the luxurious lifestyle of the royal princes, where each of them have 4 wives, 100 concubines and 400 kids...
etc..
I fixed that for you as well...
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paying tax is voluntary, if you want a government, pay for it.
Credit Money, and Tariffs funds Lincolns Government, during American Civil War.
Credit Money, and Tariffs funds USA in during World War 2
Ottoman Khalifate Empire dead because they tax their people too much.
Its Like Eating yourself For Food. -
Ottoman Khalifate Empire dead because they tax their people too much.
It's interesting how the "Ottoman Empire" convert the people to their 'state religion'..
Unlike the Catholic Church / Ruler where they 'force' the people to convert to the 'official state religion' which is Catholicism (Convert! or die a horrible death!!) the Ottoman do it through taxes..
Tax Official So what are you?
- A Moslem (read Sunni, Shiites, Sufis), well your tax rate is X %
- People of the book (Xtians, Jews etc..), your tax rate is 2X %
- Others.. your tax rate 4X %
Tax Subject So you're saying when I'm a moslem I get lower taxes?
Tax Official Yes
Tax Subject Well I'm a muslim then!!
Tax Official But your name is "Bartholomeus"??
Tax Subject Nope.. I'm Achmed now.. and my wife is no longer Elizabeth she is Fatima now!
And mass of people convert to "Islam".. a policy which later being regretted by the Empire as it lower down their state income.. rotfl
Lesson learned Let the infidel be an infidel.. as long as they pay higher taxes.. rotfl rotfl rotfl
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TAX IS a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, cover its operating expenses. Therefore, TAX must be compulsory, and is levied by laws of the state. levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc. The state needs money to be able to function properly and to
Let?s first determine what word/term is used in The Qur?aan for the term ?TAX?. Well, in The Qur?aan, the only compulsory/mandatory financial obligation upon the Muslims which is supposed to be paid on a regular basis is ZAKAAT. The term ZAKAAT is mentioned In The Qur?aan HAND-IN-HAND, and together with the word, SALAAT over 90% of the time. In fact almost every time the term SALAAT is mentioned, the term ZAKAAT is mentioned right after that. It means that we, as Muslims must be offering SALAAT and paying ZAKAAT on an ongoing/regular basis thoughout our life, no matter what.
The ZAKAAT/TAX is collected by the government of the ISLAMIC STATE to be spent for the welfare of the ISLAMIC society.
The amount and the rate of this TAX are not predetermined in The Qur?aan and depend upon the multitude of different and complex affairs and conditions within the society at the time.
Peace,
Khalil -
2256
There shall be no compulsion in the religion.Thus, Its a mutual Consent, The People, pay the Government to Defend them from Other Tyrannical Government.
People Make Govt to defend From Other Govt, Especially Evil Govt.
Only Allah is King, not Government, Government Serve God by Serving the People.
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I don't see anything wrong with 'tax', being governed properly taxation shall bring many benefits to society.
Being governed properly; taxation shall bring (among others)- Public services for the welfare of the masses (education, health and infrastructure)
- Good governance of the government with transparency and policy which being controlled by the public
- Social security services for the poor, the elderly and the unfortunate
Without good governance and transparency taxation could be a 'one of the mechanism' for accumulating wealth from the masses to the political elite. (Public fund from taxes are being transferred to their swiss bank account).
I intentionally mentioned 'one of the mechanism', as there are many other mechanism to accumulate wealth from the masses and/or public asset towards the political elite's bank account without taxation. (ie Kickbacks from government contract/policy, bribe , Share from oil/gas revenue which flow to their personal account etc..)
The main issue should be "how to govern public fund/money" and not whether 'the taxation' itself are legal or not.
For many of the oil/gas rich countries, they don't need to impose tax upon their citizen to fund the 'state administration' given the state income from oil/gas revenue are more than enough to provide public services and make the 'state administration' work rolling. Nevertheless... such 'public fund/money' from oil/gas revenue should be properly governed with transparency to avoid corruption / misuse / accumulation of wealth towards the political elite.
The type of economy as described above is being called as "rent-based economy" there are positive as well (many) negative side of this type of economy, feel free to research about it on the internet or economy books.
For those countries who are not fortunate enough to have abundant natural resources (ie Japan or South Korea) and in which main economic activities are coming from services and/or human activities, taxation will be a key mechanism to provide 'public fund/money'. Without taxation those countries cannot provide proper public services for the masses.
This kind of economy usually bring more 'transparency' and control by the public towards their government, as the government are being funded by public through taxes. As thus they need to be accountable towards their 'master' (which is the public who paid taxes) on how they use and channel the public money. And the public will demand those transparency because they feel part of their income are being 'taken away' by the government.
Salam / Peace
My thoughtsexactly. I went to a Tax funded public school. My parents could never afford to send me to a private school. Same goes for the public health system. Taxes are used to provide roads to public transport to university research grants to the police force and courts and criminal justice system.
How is all this suppose to happen without adequate taxation?
2256
There shall be no compulsion in the religion.You've posted this verse a few times now on this thread.
It is clear to me that you have a very different understanding of that verse. My understanding has always been with how the verse has generally been interpreted, and that is that Allah is saying that Religion/Faith is not compulsory. And that Islam is not compulsory. ie You DO NOT have to believe. Thus the verse where Allah says that the right path has been made clear from the wrong path etc.Anyone else????
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My thoughtsexactly. I went to a Tax funded public school. My parents could never afford to send me to a private school. Same goes for the public health system. Taxes are used to provide roads to public transport to university research grants to the police force and courts and criminal justice system.
How is all this suppose to happen without adequate taxation?
You've posted this verse a few times now on this thread.
It is clear to me that you have a very different understanding of that verse. My understanding has always been with how the verse has generally been interpreted, and that is that Allah is saying that Religion/Faith is not compulsory. And that Islam is not compulsory. ie You DO NOT have to believe. Thus the verse where Allah says that the right path has been made clear from the wrong path etc.Anyone else????
My thoughtsexactly. I went to a Tax funded public school. My parents could never afford to send me to a private school. Same goes for the public health system. Taxes are used to provide roads to public transport to university research grants to the police force and courts and criminal justice system.
How is all this suppose to happen without adequate taxation?
Have you heard about "Credit Money"?
Youtube Video explaining what is "Credit Money" http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cItHcLL61qs
The Credit Money, an Interest Free, Paper Money only loans out to Production of Physical Goods
Yes, Govt don't need to Tax, they can just Print Money, to Expand Production of Physical Goods.
with "Credit Money" system, you don't need to Tax!.
You can fund your Government by printing money as long, it is use to Expand Physical Economy like;- Agriculture, Fishery, Mining, Manufacturing - Necessities of Life.
- Public Infrastructure, hydroelectric dams, Power Plants, Water treatment Plant, Schools, University, Transportation(Roads, Trains, Public Buses.)
Money has no value, The Real Value is how we Allocate the Physical Resources, and make it into Physical Goods.
- Paper Money loan(Interest Free Credit Money, Printed by Govt), is use to expand a Farm, hire more Workers, acquire more resources(fertilizer, land, seeds)
- How the Farm Profit? There are plenty others who take loans. Economic Growth, depends on Effective Money Supply Expansion(Money is Use, Successful Producing Physical Goods)
- Inflation? Paper Money loan(Interest Free Credit Money, Printed by Govt) is only for Physical Economy, Producing Physical Goods. Cannot be loan to Gambling, unproductive activities.
You've posted this verse a few times now on this thread.
It is clear to me that you have a very different understanding of that verse. My understanding has always been with how the verse has generally been interpreted, and that is that Allah is saying that Religion/Faith is not compulsory. And that Islam is not compulsory. ie You DO NOT have to believe. Thus the verse where Allah says that the right path has been made clear from the wrong path etc.Anyone else????
2256
There shall be no compulsion in the religion.
