So happy to find you!
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Um Khadija what happend with you?(has your Baby born yet?)
Khadija is 16 months old now. And Sumayyah will be due on November 11 Inshallah.
You wrote that you were so unhappy while praying you didn`t feel comfortabel. How is it nowadays?
Well, It's not really that I was unhappy, it was that I didn't really feel a connection at all. It just felt so monotonous. I didn't feel like I was really communicating with god. And on top of that, it was very difficult to try and focus on everything when I have my daughter to take care of.
But now, I don't make salaat. I am doing a lot of studying right now, however I do make dua's and Inshallah, I will learn more and more in the future.
Actually what I do sometimes is I will make wudu and sit down and read the Quran a few times a day. But like I said I still have a lot to learn. Inshallah. -
Salaam alaykum warda
and welcome to the forum.
In answer to your question re praying, I personally do pray 5 times a day sometimes - however I consider my religious duty as set out in quran is to pray 3 times and thats what I aim for - at dawn, dusk and during the night - roughy fajr, magrhib and isha prayers. So if I miss some prayers I dont give myself too hard a time about it but I try to keep to regular prayers as I find it more spiritually beneficial and helps me stay on the straight path in and the service of Allah.
peace
asdfjk
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Salam Aleikum
thanks for your reply asdfjk.
The last days I was very busy with reading all the articles and forum pages about the prayers. But some of it is for me just too much revolutionary. One is really confused. On one hand I am progressive, open for reformation of Islam and me too I think that Muslims of the world follow too much the words of any usual conservative MAN; may he live nowadays or 1000 years ago. On the other hand it seems to me there is missing something very essential of Islam without the prayer or prayer without reciting Koran-al-Karim. In fact it was the islamic way of praying which attracted me a lotit . I found it - and still do - the appropriate way to worship our beloved Creator.
But nevertheless yet I couldnt manage to practice it daily except during Ramadan. I have to think about your way, ... three times a day... as I read it in the Koran but it feels strange to me. Did you / or anybody else ever speak to a Sheich what he thinks about it? (I may guess the answer...) Allah maakum
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Peace Warda
no I never spoke to a sheik about it - talked to other muslims and they were shocked enough. I'd like to discuss it with someone v learned in traditional Islam but they'd have to be extremely open minded and I've not come across any like that yet.
I think your points about this site are pretty valid - I remember the first time I visited free minds it was when I was starting to question ahadith but I found the approach was too much. Eventually I came back to the site and have gained a lot from participating and reading posts. It takes time and I hope you give all this time to sink in though.
The good thing about free minds is that its not a sect or cult where everyone has to sign upto a centrally authorised viewpoints - the forum indicates this clearly but even the main articles on the site do get changed and updated as new research emerges from discussions. The reason I visit this place it that its the best place on the net to see the quran discussed and analysed as a self contained scripture.
Specifically I agree with what you have said about the spiritual aspect of Islam which this site often seems to neglect in favour of scriptural analysis. I do think something is missing there but much work is being done on reforming our understanding of Islam and inshallah this will lead in time to a renewed and honest quranic spirtuality rather that the spirituality born from fairytales.
fee iman Allah
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Salam asdfjk(couldn`t you find an easier name?)
and everybody elseI fully agree with your comments about this site and the confusion it causes not only in my head. But for sure once the waves get smoother the way will be seen easier. For now I am very happy to see that I am not alone with my opinions and that I have this site and forum.
The next topic I will check is Ramadan as it is ahead of us. Like every year I await it with both feelings knowing that I will benefit a lot from the spiritual experience but also the lack of coffee ...
But for sure the spiritual experience and the reconciliation to God will make me happy like every year.Salam Aleikum wherever you are
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Salaam Warda,
First, I would like to draw your attention on the disclaimer on the main article page -
"THE ARTICLES DO NOT REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF ALL FREE-MINDS MEMBERS. HOWEVER, THEY ARE POSTED FOR THEIR THOUGHT-PROVOKING CONTENT"
Secondly, remember you will answer for your own actions, not some Imam or the free-mind members. Also try to verify the information you read here (1736). )
None of us are at the same 'point' from when we joined. We are ever learning, and our understanding, ever evolving.
Peace be with you.
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Salam Aleikum
Introduction
I am very happy to find this site! This is actually what I was looking for since years. Since many years I am a converted Muslim, glad about it, religous, but very free thinking. I always believed in God and had a strong relation to God. What I always disliked in Christianity was the worshipping of Jesus as if he would be God, Mariam and so many other people. Also I didnt like the kissing of wood and pictures and all that gold everywhere and many other things. In Islam I felt much better, just as long as I was not too much with conservatives who teach the Islam as a matter of halal and haram (and often there is more haram than halal). I always felt that there must be something more. I went out to find the spiritual way... Now I love it to pray but seriously spoken it is so hard to me to brake my day five times a day at an exact time. It bothered me that I am not able to do so, so I pray just whenever I really feel like it. Because I have a strong feeling for praying. Most of the Muslim people around me say that either you pray 5 times a day or you dont pray at all. I didnt wanna believe it, thinking that God sees for sure every prayer as a good prayer. On the other hand praying 5 times a day is such a big fundamental thing in Islam. What does it mean not following to it? Now I read here on this Site that praying 5 times a day at exact times is not said in the Quran but is Hadith and Sunna, Ulama. I ask all you muslims who read this now and are friends of this site do you pray just whenever you feel like? Arent you also raised and tought that it has to be
5 times a day on exact times?
There are so many other things from hadith and sunna which belong to the very fundament of Islam, which we thought it has to be that way, and now we learn that it may be wrong. How do you guys deal with it?
Can you imagine a woman wearing the hijab takes it off after reading free-minds.org?
Hope for your answers.
Salam AleikumRemember you are accountable for your deeds. You'll have to explain yourself on the day of Judgement.
Why do you believe in a sect, which appeared 1400 years after the hijrah?
You must no that some of these sectarians believe in salat, which is praying 3 times a day. Some believe in 2 prayers a day. And some dont believe in them at all. They dont even agree with eachother on the fundamentals of islam.
I think you got brainwashed by going to these sites. May Allah guide us both.
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Peace be upon those who follow guidance,
You can tell them by thier speech.
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Salam Ansar,
Why do you believe in a sect, which appeared 1400 years after the hijrah?
I don`t see God only as a "sect" like you do, and I deffinetly got not brainwashed by them. 95% of my thoughts about my faith, spiritual and practising of my religion I had before I found this Site.
You must no that some of these sectarians believe in salat, which is praying 3 times a day. Some believe in 2 prayers a day. And some dont believe in them at all. They dont even agree with eachother on the fundamentals of islam.
It is written in the Quran that you should pray 3 times a day. 2458, 736-8
But let it be five times,... I think there?s nothing wrong in praying five times - if you are able to do so.
What I wanted to say above is that sunni Islam can destroy the spiritual feelings to God in saying five times a day everyday or leave it! I left it and felt unhappy about it. I thought it over and came to the conclusion that it is for sure better to pray from time to time that not to pray at all. I just don`t believe that God sees us in a kind of human, small-minded, pedantic way. Of course there are rules which we have to obey - I do that too, but it point of praying I am convinced that to pray sometimes is better than never.free-minds.org are not the first ones after 1400 years who think new about the Islam. As there were many scholars in the early hundreds of years of Islam. There were times were it was not forbidden to search and debate about Islam. And if those times continued and there would have not been the past 500 years of stagnation - who knows where we would be today?
Even Buchari and his fellows made researches and checked first what they
heard. It was not said Ah, this comes from the of mouth so and so , it must be true everyone who is saying something else is a Kafr. and they found wrong /false hadithes . This proofes that sometimes hadithes were wrong and it was possible to state so. Maybe they made even more mistakes? Why is it today impossible to say that there are probbably even much more hadithes false?Everybody has find his/her own way.
Peace -
I don`t see God only as a "sect" like you do, and I deffinetly got not brainwashed by them. 95% of my thoughts about my faith, spiritual and practising of my religion I had before I found this Site.
Lying is a sign of hypocrisy. Lets fear Allah shall we.
You didnt even knew that those 'thoughts' where. On every stance they have 3/4 positions.
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Salam Warda!
My belief is that you should do your best. Myself like you, I can?t pray five times on time. I run a shop and work 10 hours a day 7 day a week alone. If I go and pray someone might steel?
Another thing I heard is that you can put together prayers, something I did for some years. I prayed when I came home, but actually this destroyed this praying. So now like you, I try to make as often I can, inshallah. Something Im thinking of to try to make is to make dua insted, or pray in my mind on the place I am when I dont have time to make a full salat.Like I told you my belief is to make your best.
Peace
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Peace be upon you Daniel,
Now is the time for you to leard the difference between Du'a and Salaat.
One of them means prayer, one of them doesn't.
I'll leave it up to you to find out, because you have to do the work anyway.
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