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Not to be a smart alec. But if Quran is perfect then why does ALLAH let the hadith folks inspire english translations which causes error in translation by the individual but also has a ripple effect too long to mention in this post. Islam seems to be the most intellectually spiciest religion on this planet. A simple religion which branches out in confusion. If the internet never existed then we would be a lonely scattered bunch. How are we supposed to comprehend a Creator that displays human emotions such as wrath, anger, love. Something is missing here. Something more complex yet simply in front of us(me) Yes folks I am a lost.
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1736 You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
Personally, I think that anything that has been touched by mankind is automatically imperfect. We are a fallen species (evidence for that is the current state of the world), and we have a tendency to turn good things into garbage.
Any genuine spiritual movement should have world peace as its goal. By that standard, all religions have thus far failed.
applepie, never let anybody stop you from asking questions like this. It is your divine RIGHT.
Peace.
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Umayyad Dead, Abbasid Dead, Ottoman Dead. the reason they are dead is simple;
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And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech/hadeeth to mislead from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.hadeeth means statement, Quran mean Recite, Kitab means Book.
Allah provide the best Hadeeth, a Quran, in a Kitab.Quran 61
praise is to Allah , who created the heavens and the earthBible 11
God created the heavens and the earth.Since Allah commanded Muslim to obey Jesus, what verse from Quran to forbid me to Obey The Bible?
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Peace,
This response to GodSubmitter might help
This is explained in quran
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He sends down water from the skies, and the channels flow, each according to its measure But the torrent bears away to foam that mounts up to the surface. Even so, from that (ore) which they heat in the fire, to make ornaments or utensils therewith, there is a scum likewise. Thus doth Allah (by parables) show forth Truth and Vanity. For the scum disappears like forth cast out; while that which is for the good of mankind remains on the earth. Thus doth Allah set forth parables.The straight path is one path but there are many pathlets - the left side of the straight path, the right side of the straight path, the middle, the left middle, etc. Many bent paths intersect the straight path too! But ultimately there is only one straight path.
This is how ALLAH writes one book that encompasses an entire space of possible possibilites that humans could have followed. To put this into perspective, over the last 1400 years billions upon billions upon billions of people came into being and died. All of these had their own free will, they could have gone ANY way they pleased. You would probably need more than the earth's weight in paper to write the number of possible possibilities that could have occured let alone calculate every one of them yet ALLAH encompassed it in 6234 succinct verses.
What you must be aware of is the veil of knowledge that we cannot pass or overcome, it prevents the unlearned from knowing things they shouldn't and it prevents the learned from teaching them no matter how hard they strive. This same veil exposes all our folly, all our good and the keen eye may read people inside out with sufficient knowledge of this veil, though this will not help in the least with regards to transgressing it. This is the same veil that lets you encompass the knowledge of a child yet someone older than you can see your naivetey when you cannot yourself.
Peace!
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Grand Qur'aan, from the first day of its introduction to humanity until date, is the ONLY Book, which has the tallest claim that its contents are void of any suspicious/conjectural/uncertain/wishful/fake/non substantiated/hearsay/unconfirmed/non established/invalid/unsound/vague matter, which causes psychological disturbance, and disconcert. This claim in itself, assumes the position of a strong evidence/argument for creating an inclination to accept and believe in it since none from countless books had the courage and confidence to have ever claimed their contents as beyond shadow of suspicion. None of the authors and books has ever claimed its contents as absolute and proven fact.
The only Infinitely Reliable Book
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Bible 11
God created the heavens and the earth.Since Allah commanded Muslim to obey Jesus, what verse from Quran to forbid me to Obey The Bible?
Peace, Bible according to whom; Peter, Paul, Mary, Thomas, Mark -- who is narrating?
http//www.earlychristianwritings.com/
http//codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?book=34&chapter=15&lid=en&side=r&verse=20&zoomSlider=0
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26 And the superscription of his accusation written on him was, THE KING OF THE JEWS. -
"The Authority of Sunnah" by Muhammad Taqi Usmani, claiming the the Authority of Hadith Bukhari.
But it has no Verse from Quran forbidding Jesus;
332 Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger."616 And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah"
4363 And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, "I have come to you with wisdom
and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.
2285 "We make no distinction between any of His messengers."
Statements/Hadith, Authorize by Allah by a Verse from Quran;
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And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.by That standard. The Dead Ottoman Empire must have followed misleading Hadith.
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Quran 61
praise is to Allah , who created the heavens and the earthBible 11
God created the heavens and the earth.by Quran 316 Clearly bible 11 do not mislead.
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That is exactly the problem!
Thank you the path of light for writing this wonderful post!!! Excuse me for making some of your words emphasized.1736 You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
Personally, I think that anything that has been touched by mankind is automatically imperfect. We are a fallen species (evidence for that is the current state of the world), and we have a tendency to turn good things into garbage.
Any genuine spiritual movement should have world peace as its goal. By that standard, all religions have thus far failed.
applepie, never let anybody stop you from asking questions like this. It is your divine RIGHT.
Peace.
AS for OPF, I think you could try and write some fresh commentary and not just copy&paste an answer you posted to me on another topic in a different post. It resembles a dictatorial pamphlets handed around to followers...
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I'm open to the possibility that the original Arabic Koran is infallible. But let's look at 2237...
Neither their meat nor their blood reaches God, but what reaches Him is the righteousness from you. It was thus that He made them in service to you, so that you may glorify God for what He has guided you to, and give news to the good doers.
That passage is about animal sacrifice. Now come on, does the Infinite Creator really require the death of a living being? You can justify that activity all you want, but you know that's dead wrong. I don't care whether it's for the devil or God, animal sacrifice is an unrighteous activity.
However, there are some mental gymnastics you can do with this. In order to keep my actions and life correct, I could interpret this as sacrificing my animalistic tendencies and desires. I can live with that. It's symbolic.
And this guys says that the Koran doesn't actually require animal offerings
http//mentalbondageinthenameofgod.wordpress.com/2008/12/22/the-conspiracies/What is perfection, anyways? Once you start getting into this cosmic dance with all your energy, imperfections are still perfect. It's all good in the neighborhood!
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Perfectly true, the path of light! Animal sacrifice is absurd, and only some false deity or devilish idol could possibly ask for that , or presume that people could redeem themselves through that. But we already have had those cults abundantly in the past.
I also understand it symbolically, sacrificing the animalistic, or lower tendencies, which is far better for the progress of mankind...
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Salam,
How on Earth did "animal sarifice" become "sacrifice your ego!"
If an argument is to be presented, then that argument should have some basic elements - one of them being true to the text revealed by God - and not simply making things up with ego being the decider.
Also, I would suggest that, if something does not make sence - that it be studied with more pateince rather than the truth being distorted and false and even dangerous statements like "only a false diety would aks for that" be made...
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I'm open to the possibility that the original Arabic Koran is infallible. But let's look at 2237...
Neither their meat nor their blood reaches God, but what reaches Him is the righteousness from you. It was thus that He made them in service to you, so that you may glorify God for what He has guided you to, and give news to the good doers.
That passage is about animal sacrifice. Now come on, does the Infinite Creator really require the death of a living being? You can justify that activity all you want, but you know that's dead wrong. I don't care whether it's for the devil or God, animal sacrifice is an unrighteous activity.
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/Temp%2001%2022.36c.gif
and when they are down on their sides after slaughter, then you people eat part of them and feed the needy who do not ask for help and the one who asks. -
Listen Layth, ALL the scriptures should be understood symbolically!!!
ALL of them!
Only on a primitive level one can interpret that god has a house, as in Surah 106, and he dwells in it??? rotfl and that Quireish should be his guards?
The "widow" in OT and NT is someone who lost "god"/husband or Supreme Mind and needs to be helped; "adulteress" or a "prostitute" is someone (a soul) that changes his or her understanding or perception of Reality (god)/lover with some false notions and prostitutes his or her self to other objectivity, etc etc. And the word sin, in its original form, means MISSING THE POINT, or LOOSING THE TARGET / AIM!!!
The problem is that the stupid mankind interpreted many things literally and committed atrocities in the name of religion or cults, "every sect rejoicing" in what they preach...
And then came Quran to say BASTA! there is no god, only Allah = the Supreme Principle of Reality and Truth. So, do not associate any ideas of yours, with The Objective Reality = Allah. Of course, it is much, far much easier to chant some stupid hymn or perform a choreography as a ritual prayer or sacrifice a goat, then make an effort to be honest, and resolve one's problems and face the reality as it is...
And of course, Quran also had to speak in metaphors and SYMBOLICALLY, because human mind needs wider metaphorical concepts to be able to integrate wider conceptualizations of reality. That's why it says that there are ayats easy to understand and others that are metaphorical. So it admits very clearly that there are allegories, allusions etc etc.
The fact that stupid humanity thought that gods are someone or something out there, and made all sorts of literal interpretations and distortions to please them, brought the primitive majority where they are.
Fortunately there are scientists and enlightened smart people who, out of their true compassion, made inventions and created solutions for the progress of civilization. We are all indebted to them for our easier life in modern age! Plains, telephones and internet were made by those rational people who use their mind to solve problems, not to create them! Certainly we can not be indebted to mullahs or priests or rabbis who traffic with guilt, shame and other religious paraphernalia all the time, creating problems where none exist!And the biggest irony is that some metaphors pointing to science are used as a proof of the infallibility of Quran!!!
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Dear submitter,
No offence, but your statement has no basis except in your own mind and the minds of those who wish to follow the Quran without following the Quran!
The Quran is literal in all verses unless the word "mathal/likeness/parable' is used - which it is in quite a few verses.
When the Quran was revealed, some of the people who received it asked for the Prophet to "change it!" or to bring another Quran - to which he replied that he was bound by what was revealed. I guess with today's group they would not even bother asking the prophet to "change it" since they will just "change the entire Arabic language and/or change the clear meaning of the Quran instead!"
1015 And when Our clear revelations were recited to them, those who do not wish to meet Us said ?Bring a Qur?an other than this, or change it!? Say ?It is not for me to change it of my own accord, I merely follow what is inspired to me. I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the
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I'm open to the possibility that the original Arabic Koran is infallible. But let's look at 2237...
Neither their meat nor their blood reaches God, but what reaches Him is the righteousness from you. It was thus that He made them in service to you, so that you may glorify God for what He has guided you to, and give news to the good doers.
That passage is about animal sacrifice. Now come on, does the Infinite Creator really require the death of a living being? You can justify that activity all you want, but you know that's dead wrong.
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In FACT God requires the death of every living being. ?What God requires that?
The one there is. Nobody no living creature lives foerever, and every creature lives off other creatures.Lettuces are living beings. Once we pick them, they die. This attribution of sanctity to eating vegetables and of perversity to eating meat is modern pollitical correctness, and cheap attemps at self-congratulations on high moral standars which do not require any effort on our part, just simply have a liking for vegetables and dislike of meat. A lettuce or a pear or a sheaf of wheat is as much a living being as a cow or a chicken.
Another question is how we treat those animals that we eat. And there is centainly a lot to say on that count. Would we have all the animals we eat die en otheir own of wounds or sickeness or whatever. Would that be more merciful for them? I doubt it. That is not to say that there is plenty to do to improve the way in which they are sacrificed.
Salaam
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Peace everyone!
God doesn't need Sacrifices. Sacrificial Animals are to feed us and the people (e.g feed the poor). Thus lawful animals are food in nature. As for animal Sacrifice Did not His Majesty Substitute an animal offering for Abraham, instead of his own son?His Majesty tells us that some foods are better than others (134) You are free to eat whatever pleases you from the order of Lawful food (Prohibitation are on some meats, dedications other than God himself, blood, & not mentioned God's name upon.
Dogs & cats are lawful, but many modern muslims will choose to not eat them. It is thus a personal preferance.~Blessed is God, the Best Creator!
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Believe in what I reveal to you. If you are a kafir for reasons only known to me then you shall suffer with torture beyond human comprehension. As an added challenge you shall be bombarded with additional religions(thousands of them) . Each claiming to have the TRUTH.
C'mon folks something here just seems strange. Maybe it is because I am meant to become misguided and suffer in an inferno. But, yes I am also thinking about the Abrahamic mindset and am wandering why I am thinking like this. I do feel myself going towards the eastern realms of cosmological unity. Peace.
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Believe in what I reveal to you. If you are a kafir for reasons only known to me then you shall suffer with torture beyond human comprehension. As an added challenge you shall be bombarded with additional religions(thousands of them) . Each claiming to have the TRUTH.
C'mon folks something here just seems strange. Maybe it is because I am meant to become misguided and suffer in an inferno. But, yes I am also thinking about the Abrahamic mindset and am wandering why I am thinking like this. I do feel myself going towards the eastern realms of cosmological unity. Peace.
The Lost,Please read God's Unconnditional servants http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603053.0
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With all due respect, if your religion is giving you an excuse to sacrifice animals, you might want to consider moving on.
Respect the life-force. That's all. Yes, I'm well aware that picking lettuce and sacrificing an animal is the exact same thing; but still, if the Infinite Creator really needs a blood sacrifice, shouldn't all the wars going on be enough to satisfy his presumed bloodlust?
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hahahaha, the path of light! I really love your posts! Your post seem the only real light in this forum to me!
As for Layth,
those who wish to follow the Quran without following the Quran!
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