You shall beat your wife
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If parents spanking their children is not a crime (spanking out of love to discipline the children), then how is husband physically disciplining his wife a crime??
You called this filth 'discipline'?
http//ronewzakcleveland.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/man-beat-wife.pngWhere are your sense of humanity and justice gone?
You only come here to spread hatred against peaceful people. You only come here to spread violent teaching.
People like you are saddening.
You don't like the peace that Lord promotes. You support violence against wife.
Hey do you know Ali Sina? He left Islam because of violent people like you, he now mocks, laughs and ridicules islam because of people like you and whenever people insult islam, people like you get mad?You consider the hierarchy of husband and wife is the same as hierarchy of parents and children?
Are you out of your mind? Where is your sanity?
This teaching has no basis in Qur'an but you can find this in the Bible.One of your fellow Salafi brethren, Sheikh Muhammad Salih al-Munajid even supported child marriage and said that even little kids at the age of 6 are allowed to be FORCED to get married.
If Islam supported wife-beating , I would have left Islam.
But thank God for showing me the true path.
I am blessed by the courage that God has given me and I am blessed by knowledgeable truth-seekers such as Wakas, Pazuzu, Edip Y?ksel, Farouk Peru, Aidid Safar, G.A. Parwez, mmkhan etc. -
Israfeel, THE SECOND STEP in 434 is only to ABANDON from BEDCHAMBER / ROOM.
And the 3rd step is to separate COMPLETELY.Abandon in bedchambers and separating totally are two different things.
Separate totally means divorce. Why didn't the verse just simply say "and divorce them"??
Why are you playing around with the Quran. The word clearly is "beat them", but because you don't like what the Quran says you decide to change it!! Who gave you the authority to change the Words of Allah?
If you don't like what the Quran says then leave Islam, but how dare you change the Quran to suit your desires?
And looking at the context of the verse "but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)." The ending of the verse says that if the woman repents and stops misbehaving, then the husband should not seeks any means against her which have already been listed.
Now if a husband has "completely separated" from his wife, how is she suppose to repent and how can he take her back? Makes no sense. According to the Quran, a husband cannot take back his wife once he has separated from her
So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her (Surah 2230)
See when you play around with the Quran you will create so many contradictions and problems. That's why you shouldn't play around with the words of the Quran and change their meaning to suit your agenda.
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That picture you posted is not what Islam means when it says you can discipline your wife when she is misbehaving. That is going to the extreme. According to the Hadith, the Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam absolutely prohibited to hit anyone on the face.
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That picture you posted is not what Islam means when it says you can discipline your wife when she is misbehaving. That is going to the extreme. According to the Hadith, the Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam absolutely prohibited to hit anyone on the face.
Can you break their legs? Arms? Collar-bone? "Beat them" to the point of miscarriage-as long as you don't hit their beautiful, angelic faces, of course?
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Of course not.
Beating should not leave any injury. It is a mild beating.
Oh wow, that sounds like fun! yay
"Beating someone" would cause an injury. Perhaps you need to improve your English. In what sort of a respectful relationship, does a man think he can hit a woman, or a woman think she should hit a man. Unless it's consensual BDSM, of course, which I completely understand-but yeah, let's see how many women want to marry you when you tell them you're going to beat them for not cooking you dinner and not supplying you with sex on demand.
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Oh wow, that sounds like fun! yay
"Beating someone" would cause an injury. Perhaps you need to improve your English. In what sort of a respectful relationship, does a man think he can hit a woman, or a woman think she should hit a man. Unless it's consensual BDSM, of course, which I completely understand-but yeah, let's see how many women want to marry you when you tell them you're going to beat them for not cooking you dinner and not supplying you with sex on demand.
Madame, I teach English.
A mild beating means to strike or smack someone, but not to the degree that it will leave a permanent mark or cause serious injury.
Now if anyone takes exception to the Quranic ordinance permitting a man to beat his wife, will you also condemn loving parents who spank their children when they misbehave? The principle is identical.
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Madame, I teach English.
A mild beating means to strike or smack someone, but not to the degree that it will leave a permanent mark or cause serious injury.
Now if anyone takes exception to the Quranic ordinance permitting a man to beat his wife, will you also condemn loving parents who spank their children when they misbehave? The principle is identical.
You teach English? I'm not remotely convinced. English isn't my first language-it's my fourth, yet, even I can see that your understanding of the adjective, "to beat" is deeply flawed so that it meets your interpretation.
You think it's acceptable to hit children? Are you kidding me?!
Animals hit other animals because they can't get their point across. Now, the assumption that homo sapiens (Sorry! I bet you don't like "homos" either!) are a much more intelligent species may be too optimistic. However, when you go around advocating abuse against a much weaker party, do you really think this is a righteous manner of conduct.
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Oh wow, that sounds like fun! yay
"Beating someone" would cause an injury. Perhaps you need to improve your English. In what sort of a respectful relationship, does a man think he can hit a woman, or a woman think she should hit a man. Unless it's consensual BDSM, of course, which I completely understand-but yeah, let's see how many women want to marry you when you tell them you're going to beat them for not cooking you dinner and not supplying you with sex on demand.
I'm sure there's an underground meeting place matrimonial network for such people to indulge in these rpg's which they playfully call marriage. They would also tenderly call each other True Muslims while one punches the other in the gut so as to not leave any visible evidence of their fun and games avoiding much public jeering and jail time of course. There are magical mild beating techniques which are like the wind gently rifling one's hair and thus arguably as effective as doing nothing at all but no matter. It soothes the wild beast. Not everyone understands, understandably, it's hard to be a True Muslim in this day and age, where did the golden days go when a man could smoke his pipe and whack his wives in peace whenever they served his dinner late. Or worse, wore curlers in their hair to bed with frumpy nightsacks designed to kill all feeling! The wenches did it deliberately to thwart any advances, the gall. Some have it down to an art form; divinely ordained artistic expressions of love for the greater good...so that the man can avoid erectile dysfunction. The dom obviously doesn't get any kicks unless he's in full control 50 Shades of Islamic Marriage for True Musims.
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I'm sure there's an underground meeting place matrimonial network for such people to indulge in these rpg's which they playfully call marriage. They would also tenderly call each other True Muslims while one punches the other in the gut so as to not leave any visible evidence of their fun and games avoiding much public jeering and jail time of course. There are magical mild beating techniques which are like the wind gently rifling one's hair and thus arguably as effective as doing nothing at all but no matter. It soothes the wild beast. Not everyone understands, understandably, it's hard to be a True Muslim in this day and age, where did the golden days go when a man could smoke his pipe and whack his wives in peace whenever they served his dinner late. Or worse, wore curlers in their hair to bed with frumpy nightsacks designed to kill all feeling! The wenches did it deliberately to thwart any advances, the gall. Some have it down to an art form; divinely ordained artistic expressions of love for the greater good...so that the man can avoid erectile dysfunction. The dom obviously doesn't get any kicks unless he's in full control 50 Shades of Islamic Marriage for True Musims.
Indeed! And such misdemeanours righteously invite a beating!
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Oh hell naww i know this guy did not just say is okay to beat your wife im sorry but this delusional Schizophrenic Psychopath need to calm down his ego with all of that Ishh........ come back to reality sweetheart because you been living a nonsensical life when you come down from your fantasy play date and when your done with your whole BDSM fantasy then we can have an intelligent rational conversation but as for this moment it wont happen so Keep on playing with your Whips
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All the above are just emotional replies and personal attacks
The fact of the matter is the Holy Quran gives explicit permission for the husband to beat his wife when necessary
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And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat themPICKTALL
As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge themMUFTI TAQI USMANI
...beat themYUSUF ALI
As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their, beds (and last) beat them (lightly)DARYABADI
And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat themDR MOHSIN
As to those women on whose part you see ill?conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)SHER ALI
And as for those on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them and leave them alone in their beds, and chastise themASAD
And as for those women whose ill-will you have reason to fear, admonish them ; then leave them alone in bed; then beat themEven the Quranist Rashad Khalifa translated it thus
If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them
Virtually every published translation of the Holy Quran says "Beat". Are they all wrong??
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I find it disturbing that you think it is acceptable to hit women. However, I find it even more disturbing that you think it's acceptable to hit children. Do you really think it's acceptable to hit children?
Beat/ beat lightly/ scourge/ admonish unfortunately, I'm not a native Arabic speaker, but take your pick on meanings.
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The aya 4.34 is addressed to one group the believers and it addresses them in the second person plural, when it speaks about the males it uses third person masculine plural, and about the women, third person feminine plural. When it says advise, leave them alone and idribuhunna, it is addressing the comunity of believers, not the males, it is using second person inclusive plural, oh you who believe. It is not addressing neither the males, third person, masculine plural, nor the females, third person feminine plural.
The adivese, leave them in ther home and the idribuhunna is not addressed to males or husbands, it is adressed to the community, and of course it does not talk about beating, but about convincing.
But it does not matter, beating wives is a toy of the self-esteem lacking males, who need continous reassuring of their own worth by means of kicking others around. No community need to beat anybody's wive in order to mediate between the parties in a couple.
The image some males give of themselves is really pitiful, except when in fact they are trolls and they spew nonsense just to derail threads and avoid that people get a decent and purposeful debate of those matters that they want understand.
Let us not feed the trolls. Traditional muslims, some of them have really made messes of a lot of things in the Qur'an, but they are not necessarily mad women haters. Attitudes like Israfeel's to me are just contrived nonsense, not something he really thinks. We spend time pounding self evidents truths on him, and he comes back with more stupidity just to keep us away from getting to the core of things.
Salaam
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I find it disturbing that you think it is acceptable to hit women. However, I find it even more disturbing that you think it's acceptable to hit children. Do you really think it's acceptable to hit children?
Beat/ beat lightly/ scourge/ admonish unfortunately, I'm not a native Arabic speaker, but take your pick on meanings.
I said spank children (when they misbehave). Its what majority of parents (and schoolteachers) around the world do, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Whoever spares the rod hates his son,
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Muslim men only beat their wives with their "short rods" (205 of the video) because they want to HONOR them. I know this because this very intelligent and logical Saudi Sheikh told me. Check the video. You will not regret it
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Tw7WhH_aQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"Yo girl. What chu doin after the Halaqa? You wanna come back to my place, have a glass of mango juice, listen to some Nancy Agram records & if things go well, maybe I could honor you by beating you with my small rod?" -Sheikh Yahbuti
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peace,
Israfeel, THE SECOND STEP in 434 is only to ABANDON from BEDCHAMBER / ROOM.
And the 3rd step is to separate COMPLETELY.Abandon in bedchambers and separating totally are two different things.
Unfortunately "separating" does not fit.
You may be interested in the following (click button)
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If parents spanking their children is not a crime (spanking out of love to discipline the children), then how is husband physically disciplining his wife a crime??
What kind of stupidity is this?
Anyway, seek help ASAP..
And yes, spanking/hitting your own children is a crime as well.
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Muslim men only beat their wives with their "short rods" (205 of the video) because they want to HONOR them. I know this because this very intelligent and logical Saudi Sheikh told me. Check the video. You will not regret it
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Tw7WhH_aQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"Yo girl. What chu doin after the Halaqa? You wanna come back to my place, have a glass of mango juice, listen to some Nancy Agram records & if things go well, maybe I could honor you by beating you with my small rod?" -Sheikh Yahbuti
This is what is wrong with "Islam". "When a woman is beaten she is honoured"-and there are probably millions of people hanging on to this guy's every word because he is "Sheikh", "he is learned".
Muslim women wear niqaab because they are not like the "whores" who don't cover up. They are not objects. Yet they are objectified when they refuse their husbands sex. Surely, these inanimate objects cannot refuse sex to their owner, for who else will their keeper have sex with. How about, the collection of four wives to satiate his "overpowering" sexual desire-after all, that is the way God made him. If that doesn't "satisfy" him, then how about his harem of women. But of course, Islam does not objectify women!
So, rape is fine. Beatings are fine (as long as it's not the face, of course because that's a very important point. We cannot have any visible physical damage on this beautiful toy object). We must just walk around wearing a black tent on our heads. This is what honours us, us lowly, feeble creatures.
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This is what is wrong with "Islam". "When a woman is beaten she is honoured"-and there are probably millions of people hanging on to this guy's every word because he is "Sheikh", "he is learned".
Muslim women wear niqaab because they are not like the "whores" who don't cover up. They are not objects. Yet they are objectified when they refuse their husbands sex. Surely, these inanimate objects cannot refuse sex to their owner, for who else will their keeper have sex with. How about, the collection of four wives to satiate his "overpowering" sexual desire-after all, that is the way God made him. If that doesn't "satisfy" him, then how about his harem of women. But of course, Islam does not objectify women!
So, rape is fine. Beatings are fine (as long as it's not the face, of course because that's a very important point. We cannot have any visible physical damage on this beautiful toy object). We must just walk around wearing a black tent on our heads. This is what honours us, us lowly, feeble creatures.
I love how the justify all the eff'd up stuff in their religion like beating women, marrying six year old girls, etc. These Sheikhs should be stand up comedians. Their explanations are hilarious! It's Islamic Comedy Night at the Improv!
