My PERSONAL conclusions about salaat (contact prayer)
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FURTHER PROOF
"A legitimate question would be, ?why this specific order in writing the factors?? The answer is that the number 37757 is 17 ? 2221. 17 being the number of units in daily contact prayers and 2221 is a prime and its index is the prime 331 with an index of 67 which is another prime, and happens to be the 19th prime. Furthermore, there are exactly 67 twin prime pairs before the lonely prime 2221. Note that 67 is the exactly the nimber of times the word ?Salat? has been mentioned in the Quran. Note that 2221 is the 198th lonely prime and the index of composite 198 is 152 = 19 ? 8. Again note that 19 is the 8th prime number.
I like to emphasize that these are only reminders and the Salat cannot be taught or forced upon people, but it is inspired to people by God as it is stated by God in 2173."
(emphasised in red by me)SOURCE
http//journal_of_submission.homestead.com/Ultimate_Mathematics_and__Contact_Prayers.pdf -
Salat or Contact Prayer
A Gift from God
God reminds us in the Quran 67 times about the Salat or contact prayer. This has been decreed for us in order to grow our souls through a direct contact with our Creator. God mentions that Salat is decreed at specific times as it is stated in 4103;
"And when you finish your contact prayer, then you shall commemorate God622 while standing, sitting or lying on your side. And once you are secure, you shall continue upholding the contact prayer. Surely, contact prayer has been decreed upon the believers at specific times."
Salat has been decreed for us at least 5 times during the day in specific time intervals. These times intervals are
Dawn, (245, during declining sun from the highest point towards the darkness of the night, (172, middle (223, early evening, (11114) and after when twilight is over in the evening (245.
Above and beyond these specific times God also encourages us to do some voluntary prayers as it is stated in 1779.
I want to emphasize that these are only reminders and the Salat cannot be taught or forced upon people, but it is inspired to people by God as it is stated by God in 2173;
"And We made them leaders who guided according to Our command and We inspired them to be doers of good and to observe the contact prayers and to give the cleansing charity and to Us they were worshipers."
In the past decade, there have several attempts to reduce the numbers of contact prayers to three or two. These efforts will eventually cancel contact prayers altogether and we should be alert and do not fall into the trap, or we fall into the same category of people described in 1959
(emphasis in red by me)"Afterwards, another generation replaced them who then wasted the contact prayer and followed their lust. They will therefore soon find out the evils of this."
Finally a sincere study of the Quran reveals that the number of daily contact prayers is more than three and definitely more than two. This is stated in 2238;
"Remember the contact prayers, as well as the middle prayer and rise up for God humbly."
The word ?salawat? in the Quranic text in Arabic is plural and refers to a number greater than two and at least three. Now if we add the ?middle prayer?, we end up with a minimum of four (4) daily contact prayers, however, an even number cannot have ?middle?, so it has to be at least five (5) daily contact prayers.
Again remember that everything in this article is only a reminder, pointing to verses in the Quran. The sincere believers already know this since God has inspired them.
SOURCE
http//journal_of_submission.homestead.com/files/salat_or_contact_prayer.htm -
Peace Godsubmitter peace
I think i went through the conundrum of the 5 prayers a day or 3 for about a year. I actually prayed 3 times a day for about 6 months, then reverted to doing 5 times a day for also almost 6 months, then i turned again and prayed 3 times a day. The proximate dates are from 6/3/10 to 12/25/10 = 3 times a day, then 12/25/10 to 6/3/11 = 5 times a day, then from that point on my theology was 3 prayers a day. One day i even prayed 2 times a day, because i was confused about if there was a middle prayer. This is when Thanks be to God, i visited quran-islam.org to see whether they had any new topics, and as a "coincidence", i found that they have a new article confirming the middle third prayer.Again i have cited it before, God only mentions 3 names of prayers in the Quran, What are you going to name the other two???
I think you've read the article of should we follow rashad the messenger or his message, correct?
Rashad Khalifa's message was to only follow the Quran alone, and if he said something that wasn't in there (e.g friday sermons, 2.5% zakat), then we should not listen to him. He "pointed" at the Quran as the law giver, as decreed by the Almighty, he did not "point" at himself".And as a personal note, i have thought that the 3 daily prayers were the correct amount of prayers, even when i was praying 5 times a day, but there was fear of disobeying and not following the messenger, and even after i got over that and started pryaing 3 prayers a day, and then reverted to 5 prayers again, many times i've tried to revert to the 3 salats a day, with no success. This is because many times, when i tried, something bad would happen, and i would end up praying the 5 times a day again. This has thanfully changed at june of this year 2011.
This should give you the idea that sometimes you will be tested in order to pass on to the truth. The best thing to do is rightous work, because the Almighty created us to see which of us would be the most rightous is WORK.All and all, seek help from the Almighty, and do rightous work, because you wouldn't be doing wrong with doing rightous work.
(All of these statements are not 100% accurate or truthful, The Almighty is the only one who can state the Absolute truth laugh)
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Yes brother youssef4342, thank you for your post ...
although I clearly stated and asked everybody NOT to contribute to this thread of mine because I do not intend it to became a discussion and be converted into circus... )
It was intended just as my personal conclusions.Now, as you perfectly write "The Almighty Alone is the only One who can state the Absolute Truth".
You see, when I stopped the traditional 5x prayer, something unpleasant (but not grave thanks to God) happened to me, as a sign that I went on a wrong path!
It lasted just a few weeks while I was under the influence of Safar's book.But when I returned to Khalifa's purified way of ablution and 5x prayer, things went back to normal, and good continued for me, and to those around me whom I thought the same practices. We all felt immediate benefits.
I do not think that Dr. Rashad Khalifa PhD, is infallible! But I know that he has done an enormously important work of purifying Islam.
Although there is some valuable information in Safar's book, there is also much dangerous blatant conjecture.
Dr. R. Khlaifa might not have been right about zakat or Jumma, and Safar might have brought some light on that, but I am in no position to give opinion on those issues because I did not study them enough. I am talking here about MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES!Now, there is a lot of invaluable new information that brother Pazuzu is giving us, and enlightening us, and we are entitled to research and learn.
There is so much to learn!The problem is that there is a lot of misinformation or false traditions, and I think since we are in a last period of history, each one of us now has to find a Way individually, and not wait to be spoon-fed by gurus or imams or priests or some idiotic scholars!
It is our own responsibility to find the Right Way to Allah and deserve His blessing.Brother youssef4342, I am answering to you because I feel a special kinship with you because, from reading your posts (which are many ) ), I realized that we both have very similar concerns and inquietude, and quite similar spiritual background and provenience.
May Allah reward you for your good work, and help us all find His Right Path!
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Peace GODsubmitter peace
Sorry if i crossed the line with posting my post, i didn't know your intention for this post.
Thank you very much for your kind regards, May the Almighty reward you with even more D
Sometimes it gets sad when you feel like you're overlooked/unapreciated, so again thank you handshakeMoreover, Yes Rashad Khalifa has pointed to the "Quran alone" doctrine, but do his followers follow this doctrine wholeheartedly?.
Praying 5 daily prayers is sometimes hard to put up, and the timing is a real challange!
My advice would be to pray to God Almighty to show you which one. I did and that's where i got the 3 daily salats.As a funny note, In the begining, when i first entered Islam, i used to do salat 5 times a day + the extra prayers that come with it. It got to the point where it was just TOO MUCH!, it was like 4+4+2 prayers in one setting plus 2 extra here and there.... it was just overwhelming hypno
Again just pray to God to show you which is correct D
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Well youssef4342, it only shows that you did not read my thread from the beginning thoroughly )
BTW
Further proof for the 5 x contact prayershttp//www.universalunity.org/17.html#MiddlePrayer
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Peace peace
Yes i have read your original Suplication and miracle.
Now, pray sincerely again about whether the 5 or 3 daily prayers are the correct number.I have previously visited the page of the link you have provided, and let me tell you, God Almighty does not use the world "salat al asr" any where in the Quran. "Salat al asr" is by standards, a fabrication, because again, it is not cited in the Quran, as the the "salat al-asr". Moreover, Again i will mention the previous scriptures, which the Quran Confirms, all of which mention 3 daily prayers... This is why i would think i am vehement about a 3 daily prayer system currently.
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There is no prayer. None. No 3 prayers, no 2 prayers, no 5 prayers. You're just wasting your time on religious ( which is bad ) rituals.
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There is no prayer. None. No 3 prayers, no 2 prayers, no 5 prayers. You're just wasting your time on religious ( which is bad ) rituals.
There is ZERO quranic evidence for your claim. If you are going to make a claim then prove it. Don't just drop words on the forum without any sort of proof. I have heard this argument many times before and so far no one has answered any of the proofs which I gave that shows clear evidence of ritual prayer being part of this deen. Here is one such instance...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603232.msg289281#msg289281
Those who support this idea of "no ritual pray" I ask them to bring proof for your claim. Let's make it an interesting debate.
Peace,
Kevin
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Ritual prayer is religious. How do you expect it to be in the deen? lol. http//mentalbondageinthenameofgod.wordpress.com/ read some of the articles here. I know I read here about those verses you stated
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Ritual prayer is religious. How do you expect it to be in the deen? lol. http//mentalbondageinthenameofgod.wordpress.com/ read some of the articles here. I know I read here about those verses you stated
I have heard these arguments and given them a response . Are you reading my posts properly????
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603232.msg289281#msg289281
Now it is up to you and others to give me a response. I will like to hear the proof from the Quran to support your claim that my claim is false. Give me a clear response. Don't just drop a link.
Peace,
Kevin.
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I can't see where did you refute these arguments. However they're more logical than anything you've said now. How can you ask proof from Quran when all it matters is the translation of the Quran and logic. It all has to do with how it's translated. And Aidid Safar's translation makes much more sense to me.
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I can't see where did you refute these arguments. However they're more logical than anything you've said now. How can you ask proof from Quran when all it matters is the translation of the Quran and logic. It all has to do with how it's translated. And Aidid Safar's translation makes much more sense to me.
Ok. Very interesting response. Maybe I should just post my proofs and then maybe you can give me a satisfying response
I have heard this argument before and I am sorry to say that this is a failed argument. By using simple context anyone with a little common sense can see that Salat is a PHYSICAL RITUAL prayer. You cannot use the word Salat to mean commitments since the context doesn't fit.
2238 Preserve the contact prayers, and the middle contact prayer, and stand devoutly for God.
2239 But if you are in a state of worry, then you may do so while walking or riding. If you become secure, then remember God as He has taught you what you did not know.
If salat meant commitments then why would anyone worry about doing it in cases where they are preoccupied. Wouldn't they do it some other time??? confused Also did you notice the phrase "state of worry".
What about Solomon and his horses....
3831 When, during dusk, well trained horses were displayed before him
3832 He said, "I enjoyed the good of materials more than I enjoyed remembering my Lord, until it became totally dark!"
3833 "Send them back." He then rubbed their legs and necks.In the case above it is my view that Solomon missed the middle pray. If Salat meant commitments than why couldn't Solomon do it some other time. Why is he so obsessed about the fact that it became totally dark and he forgot to 'remember' or 'give commemoration ' to God . Also shouldn't his uneasiness about missing 'remembrance' or 'commemoration of God' during a specific time of the day imply that commitments is not what he was talking about.
What about this verse....
4102 If you are with them and hold the contact prayer for them, then let a group from amongst them stand with you and let them bring their weapons; when they have prostrated then let them stand guard from behind; let a group who has not yet contacted come and contact with you, and let them be wary and let them bring their weapons with them. The ingrates hope that you would neglect your weapons and goods so they can come upon you in one blow. There is no sin upon you if you are impeded by rainfall, or if you are ill, that you keep from placing down your weapons. Be wary. God has prepared for the ingrates a humiliating retribution.
How can salat here mean commitments in the above verse. Doesn't this verse imply Salat is a physical ritual prayer that has to done? Why would any solider guard someone during war time to do a simple thing like commitments??? Doesn't this show that Salat is something more than commitments?
The above verse when when read and thought through carefully should be sufficient proof that Salat does not mean commitment. Salat is a physical ritual prayer. The history of the people of the Book should also be a clear proof that Salat is a physical ritual that has be in existence for centuries.
2278 Strive in the cause of God properly. He is the One who has chosen you, and He has made no hardship for you in the system, the creed of your father Abraham; He is the One who named you 'those who have peacefully surrendered' from before as well as in this. So let the messenger be witness over you and you be witness over people. So hold the contact prayer and contribute towards betterment and hold tight to God, He is your patron. What an excellent Patron, and what an excellent Supporter.
I have argued this case on the forum before and so far no one has been able to give me a straight answer to refute the proofs which I gave from the Quran. So if you are serious about debating the issue then I welcome it.
Peace,
Kevin
I can't see how anyone in there right mind can logically imply that prays aren't ritual from the above verses. Salat by Quranic context can never mean commitments!!! This is a flawed translation. If you want to translate words in any sort of manner without using proper context then what is the point in you following the Quran in the first place????
Also, where is the historical evidence to support your claim that prays were never ritual when there are plies and plies of evidence from the previous scriptures that show that Salat is a RITUAL PRAY and NOT commitments. Show me the proof. Show to me through Quranic context and history.
Peace,
Kevin
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That's why I sent you that link before. I'm not sure where but it explains that on one of the salat articles. I mean about the 2229 verse.He represented that verse different and I saw no contradiction. How do I know which translation is right? This is where logic comes in. Search for it if you want because I'm not capable now, but maybe I will search a little if I have time. I cannot say I win this argument yet, but I do remember Aidid explaining it and I'm gonna believe it, even If I can't prove it to anyone else yet.
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There is also this interesting text on Salaat
http//www.godprovenas1.com/khutbas/20090605.pdf
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AND NOW
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DPyJco2bic&feature=endscreen&NR=1
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God tells us in Sura 2945 the purpose of salat, which is to help us abstain from the obscene and detestable, and in Sura 2 45, tells us to find strength in prayers. Now, if you think you need to make salat 5 times, then fine. If you think it is 3 times, fine. When we get into these kinds of debates, aren't we missing the point which God has made clear in Sura 2945 that remembrance of God is far greater still.
If you are not a good person doing good deeds, what difference does it make if you do salat 5 times, 3 times, once a week....? God doesn't say that those who do salat 5 times have nothing to fear nor regret and will be rewarded vs those who say salat only 3 times or not at all. Per Sura 2 62 "surely those who believe, and those wo are Jews, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor shall they grieve..."
Why are we so bent out of shape, focusing on numbers, rituals...... ? brickwall
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OK @justamuslim, read there
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603263.0
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This...is the worst piece of proof I've seen in my entire life.
Hilarious as always I see