The Search for Muhammad has Ended
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It is better to brickwall then to believe in NONSENSE, VULGAR HADITH
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Why do you say "G-D," are you a Jew? More plausible than a Muslim either way.
Nop! I'm no Jew!
Nor am I a soi-disant Muslim for that matter!~ I'm an Adamite ...
... with a purpose to fulfill.Also, no, I am a rationalist, God doesn't seal the mind of rational, open-minded people. That's a contradiction!
Correction You're a self-proclaimed rationalist ...
ie. naming yourself "happy" doesn't mean you're happy!
He put a seal on dogmatic, zealous close-minded who only wish to hear their side of the story and when that is refuted, they continue to have their flawed faiths with no evidence to support them other than some verses of a book taken out of context unable to refute the refutations and insult the person refuting them, ...
Certainly!
After all, you're one living example of such a burdened (by books) donkey.
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It is better to brickwall then to believe in NONSENSE, VULGAR HADITH
Unable to rationally refute my claims and continue with your dogmatic, close-minded beliefs with nothing to support such a faith. I am a rationalist, the opposite of rationalist is nonsense. You should ascribe "nonsense" to yourself.
~ I'm an Adamite ...
Good for you, you're a follower of a man who never existed; this belief of yours is of course sealed on an irrational basis with nothing to support such claims of "first man" from a rational, scientific perspective. Who is the rational and dogmatic? You're obviously the latter and that is not self-proclaimed! You need to study your religion from a critical observation, this should increase your intelligence and it will no longer stop you from believing in hoaxes like the stories of Adam and Eve.ie. naming yourself "happy" doesn't mean you're happy!
I'm pretty sure if I said I am happy, then I would be happy.I do adhere to rationalism and strongly against dogmatism. This is a fact, otherwise I would be a Quranist like you.
After all, you're one living example of such a burdened (by books) donkey.
Once again, petty insults and an inability to think rationally and non-dogmatically and refuting my comments from a logical standpoint.Even if I am not the most rational, I am superior to you. Otherwise, I would not have a ridiculous religion such as yours that hinders the development of an educated civilization. Muslims like you need to question their nonsensical religion and become rational-minded like I am.
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Unlike you, I am a Muslim and not a heretic - I do not drink and you know what I say is the truth, which is why it hurts your petty feelings.
Hurt feelings? I am laughing so much... You are too funny. Why do you spend so much energy getting angry and calling names for nothing? You must be boiling.
Salaam, hurter of feelings number one in antiquranistlandia.
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I'm pretty sure if I said I am happy, then I would be happy.
& I'm pretty sure I said 'naming yourself'!
... I am superior to you ...
Iblys operating through the likes of you comes as no surprise.
Muslims like you need to ... become ... like I am.
As if the world needed any more asses!
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Hurt feelings? I am laughing so much... You are too funny. Why do you spend so much energy getting angry and calling names for nothing? You must be boiling.
You're laughing so much because you are either too stupid to comprehend the truth or you are suppressing your rational thought due to dogmatism in your Quranism.
When a foolish man hears of the Way, he laughs out loud.And no, I am not an angry terrorist Arab like you are, I am pretty peaceful and meditative because I am a true Muslim unlike you; therefore, no, I am not mad.
& I'm pretty sure I said 'naming yourself'!
Iblys operating through the likes of you comes as no surprise.
As if the world needed any more asses!
Your petty insults doesn't refute my factual statements, such as the post that started all this or the claim to follow a mythical man named Adam from a Jewish fairy tale. Just look at you, you're so dogmatic that you cannot rationally refute anything but insulting a person on an irrational basis and that is called closed-mindedness; it makes sense why you are a Quranist and Adamite, you like to believe in nonsense fairy tales than rational truth. Ibles? You mean the spiritual force of negativity manifested into a body in the parable of Adam? Surely, he is not operating through any of us... he is us.And once again, you are concluding with insults and misquotations exposing your immaturity and dogmatism being the only reason why you follow nonsensical Quranism than actual history and the true way, such as Islam with Sunnah and Hadith.
Goodbye and may you open your knowledge and perceive rational thought instead of this idiotic belief in the worst sect of Islam.
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This whole OP is nothing new. It existed since 1985 and was first published in Kamal Salibi's book The Bible Came from Arabia.
http//www.amazon.com/Bible-Came-Arabia-Kamal-Salibi/dp/0224028308
This interpretation was promoted by Yasser Arafat back in the day and (ab)used in the political struggle between Palestine and Israel.
I find it surprising the author of the OP has not mentioned this book anywhere as a source in his thesis. I find the political arguments used in it very bothersome. I'm not defending zionism, but I hope readers of this thread realize they are reading a piece of political propaganda more than historical/objective facts. This propaganda dates back to the denouement of the Six-Day War and is nowhere supported by any scholar in the world.
For those interested in how this invented piece of history came to life from a political perspective check this link
http//www.the-american-interest.com/2011/03/01/king-solomons-vanishing-temple/
Peace
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This whole OP is nothing new. It existed since 1985 and was first published in Kamal Salibi's book The Bible Came from Arabia.
http//www.amazon.com/Bible-Came-Arabia-Kamal-Salibi/dp/0224028308
This interpretation was promoted by Yasser Arafat back in the day and (ab)used in the political struggle between Palestine and Israel.
I find it surprising the author of the OP has not mentioned this book anywhere as a source in his thesis. I find the political arguments used in it very bothersome. I'm not defending zionism, but I hope readers of this thread realize they are reading a piece of political propaganda more than historical/objective facts. This propaganda dates back to the denouement of the Six-Day War and is nowhere supported by any scholar in the world.
For those interested in how this invented piece of history came to life from a political perspective check this link
http//www.the-american-interest.com/2011/03/01/king-solomons-vanishing-temple/
Peace
Yu are wrong and you do not know what you are talking about.
Pazuzu has talked many, many, many times of Kamal Salibi's work and has discussed it. And you land here now and accuse him and start handing right and left acussations of political campaigns as if everything else was not a political campaign.
I guess at least some people here, myself included have heard for the first time about Kamal Salibi, who by the way was a christian, precisely through Pazuzu.
If anybody is hiding anything or is ignoring anything, it is not him most certainly.
You are very daring.
Salaam
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I apologize if I missed the reference, I couldnt find it in the OP. I thought it was important to illustrate how this idea has been heaviliy abused politically, if it did not came into life because of political motivations. Just pay attention to the OP author's use of anti-zionist statements. In my opinion the whole theory is pseudo-scientifical. I'm not even bothered to go into a debate. It would be a lot more honest if at least the nationalist background of Salibi and his support for fatah was mentioned.
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I dislike very much you inuendo indicating that if somebody is a member (was he a member) of Fatah or of anything elswe whatsoever one has to automatically dismiss what he or she says, on that ground everything in this world should be dismissed. Why do you pick precisely the cause of the most maligned and ill treated people in the world at this time, is beyond me. You should know why you do that and we do not need a mentor to caution us against Pazuzu or against anybody else. We are grown up enough. And in thisparticular case Pazuzu is far more on the mark than you as far as I am concerned. Palestinians have the right to fight, have the right to have wheatever organizations they deem or can set up. And to distrust anybody because somebody is sympathetic or participant in something like that is ignoble.
On the other hand,do you have any counter to Pazuzu's documents where he quotes precisely Israeli universities which, of all else, are writing more and more consistently supporting precisely those views of Pazuzu which you criticese on the grounds thaat you do.
You not only seem to be out of line, but also out of touch with "prestige" sources.
Salaam
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I apologize if I missed the reference, I couldnt find it in the OP. I thought it was important to illustrate how this idea has been heaviliy abused politically, if it did not came into life because of political motivations. Just pay attention to the OP author's use of anti-zionist statements. In my opinion the whole theory is pseudo-scientifical. I'm not even bothered to go into a debate. It would be a lot more honest if at least the nationalist background of Salibi and his support for fatah was mentioned.
You do need to Apologise brother. Trust me, as I have said in this thread also, it's wasting time nothing, but garbage. The problems is here, for some, pazuzu work considered as truth its liberating and enlightening. His follower will attack you whenever pazuzu work criticized. Only pazuzu can point other work's as garbage's, propaganda and so on.
Just like some criticized Bukhari, whoever it was will have to face bukhary faithfull follower whom believe bukhary work is liberating, enlightning etc, all because of the amount of work his done, one should be thankful.
As I said, thre's might be propaganda in play here hehehe.
Peace
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Oh, well, we are also here full of redeemers who will keep us from falling into sin at the hands of devil Pazuzu, whom we worship ever so much.
Whenever somebody is confronted with something for which they do not have arguments they resort to branding of this or that, beause we are fools and children that a fall for anything.
Only they, the chosen know truth from temptation.
You are so ridiculous pretending that those who see worth in Pazuzus work what they are is brainwashed. You, may be would like us to b3e brainwashed by you and "not by Pazuzu".
The point is that you have absolutely nothing to offer but the usual crap, and do not even have the honesty to confront any of Pazuzus with the text of the Qur'an, which is, in case you forgot, why we are here.
Bring up the Qur'an and prove whatever you want to prove, which you do not say. _All you care is that Pazuzu thism Pazuzu that. You are the ones that are crazy ofver Pazuzu, up to here everybody who appreciates his work has been quite able to put up whatever problems they ahve seen with it.
The Qur'an tells us not to covet other people's gifts.
Bring up books like Pazuzu has written and put up research like he has put and then come back and try to get us much attention.
Pointing fingers an inuendos are not something that attracts the loyalty of loyal people. An picking in Palestine only attracts the loyalte of cowards.
If all your scientifical back up consist of throwing stones on the roof of Palestine, and you have not shown any other, what kind of respect do you expect.
Salaam
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Interesting you're assuming the one whom criticized pazuzu considered him as devil and such, such imagination. nope
I'm not even going to debate you brother huruf. I'ts only going to be mudharat for me to debate anyone over someone like pazuzu.. )
A reactions whenever pazuzu is criticized on general terms ( this is general issues board as I recall again), in sha Allah everyone can read and judge it by themselves. And lastly, Alhamdulillah, it seems only bit portion members on this forum believe in pazuzu garbages.
Salam
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Interesting you're assuming the one whom criticized pazuzu considered him as devil and such, such imagination. nope
I'm not even going to debate you brother huruf. I'ts only going to be mudharat for me to debate anyone over someone like pazuzu.. )
A reactions whenever pazuzu is criticized on general terms ( this is general issues board as I recall again), in sha Allah everyone can read and judge it by themselves. And lastly, Alhamdulillah, it seems only bit portion members on this forum believe in pazuzu garbages.
Salam
Your qualifying Pazuzu's contribution as garbage describes you not Pazuzu. Nobody worthy wastes energy puylling down somebody's work or contribution. Rather would keep mum or would contribute something themselves to make light of whatever. Calling somethin garbage is no merit, and seems to clear you, it seems of the need to come up with good analysis or goot research stuff to counter what you qualify as garbage. What you say is of no value and gives a pretty clear idea of the mental state of whoever comes up with that kind of thing.
If Pazuzu was half as mean as his name callers, he would be laughing out loud at these word wastage without any value or help for anybody , because really it is laughable.
Salaam
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Your qualifying Pazuzu's contribution as garbage describes you not Pazuzu. Nobody worthy wastes energy puylling down somebody's work or contribution. Rather would keep mum or would contribute something themselves to make light of whatever. Calling somethin garbage is no merit, and seems to clear you, it seems of the need to come up with good analysis or goot research stuff to counter what you qualify as garbage. What you say is of no value and gives a pretty clear idea of the mental state of whoever comes up with that kind of thing.
If Pazuzu was half as mean as his name callers, he would be laughing out loud at these word wastage without any value or help for anybody , because really it is laughable.
So when pazuzu calling other works (real research not google based) are garbage's propaganda, he is worthy right?
Typical..... hmm
Salam
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I dislike very much you inuendo indicating that if somebody is a member (was he a member) of Fatah or of anything elswe whatsoever one has to automatically dismiss what he or she says, on that ground everything in this world should be dismissed. Why do you pick precisely the cause of the most maligned and ill treated people in the world at this time, is beyond me. You should know why you do that and we do not need a mentor to caution us against Pazuzu or against anybody else. We are grown up enough. And in thisparticular case Pazuzu is far more on the mark than you as far as I am concerned. Palestinians have the right to fight, have the right to have wheatever organizations they deem or can set up. And to distrust anybody because somebody is sympathetic or participant in something like that is ignoble.
On the other hand,do you have any counter to Pazuzu's documents where he quotes precisely Israeli universities which, of all else, are writing more and more consistently supporting precisely those views of Pazuzu which you criticese on the grounds thaat you do.
You not only seem to be out of line, but also out of touch with "prestige" sources.
Salaam
What you like and dislike is irrelevant to me huruf. Let me point out some things to you
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I'm not even attacking Pazuzu. I will do so now. This research as he presents it consists of plagiarising old theories and copying other peoples works that have been around for decades, presenting them as his own research and presenting them as new discoveries. In reality, nothing in this work is his intellectual property. Him asking to publish his 'book' on someones webserver should tell you he's well aware he's violating a lot of copyrights. If this weren't the case, he would go to a publisher. But it will cost a lot of money clearing those copyrights.
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Someone being part of fatah does not render the work irrelevant. Of course not. But this theory has been 30 years old now. It has not been accepted by the academic world since then and it never will be because it is pseudo-scientifical crap that is on the same level of the nazi's doing their research in Tibet to trace the roots of their aryan race. Equal to the level of the Israeli archeology claiming they discovered the city of David. I'm not applying double standards, huruf. You are because you sympathize with the palestinian cause you turn into a gullible reader of the work. I mean, this Salibi's 'scientific' methods involve using sundials - archeological evidence is just not required in his methods.
Peace
PS It's saddening to me a community that preaches Quran only is still susceptible to letting Quran being highjacked for politcal motives. @huruf, you are wrong to think to know my opinion about the Israeli-Palestine conflict. I'm not looking through political lenses when I'm looking at history, science or Quran. Me sympathizing with the Palestinian cause does not imply I will switch my mind of when I see falsehood. I'm not even saying it's impossible Yemen is the right location for certain events as described in Quran. But Salibi's theory, as regurgitated by pazuzu in this thread will not be the one proving it to the rational thinking mind that isn't muslim or a militant supporter of the palestinian cause to begin with.
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This research as he presents it consists of plagiarising old theories and copying other peoples works that have been around for decades, presenting them as his own research and presenting them as new discoveries.
Is it so?
Before you arrogantly accuse others with your usual venom and biggotry, and spew your legal vomit and political correctness in here, you should know that most of the "garbage" you read on these threads has been updated and put into a series of e-books. At the beginning of these e-books is a disclaimer page which clearly states that the books are simply compilations of what other researchers and academics have said regarding the issue, quoting articles, statements they made in seminars, passages from books (showing the reference at the end of each book), and that the compilers have not sought any material gain, nor do they hold any rights to the materials therein. In fact 90% of what is written can be downloaded for free off the net, albeit in Arabic, not in English. Therefore it is not the theory of Pazuzu, nor did Pazuzu ever, in any way shape and form, claim it as his own.
That's from a legal perspective. As for what you actually think of the research itself, and the credibility of the subject, this is something each individual reader will have to decide for himself. And in the end, your opinion and the soles of my shoes are about equal.
Have a nice day.
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@Pazuzu You are doing nothing wrong posting someone else's intellectual property on this forum. I'm free to state this is not your intellectual property which some of the active members in this thread seem to think. I'm free to state this theory is 30 years old and has been academically laughed at as a nationalist form of revisionism ever since. If you really want to prove Salibi was onto some objective truth, I suggest you take a shovel and start digging in Yemen. I would be most interested in those findings. So far, this post contains nothing new. It's the same PLO/fatah rewriting of history we know they used to discredit the Israeli claims to the territory.
One would think seeing the errors of shia and sunni sectarianism from the perspective of Quran alone, one would be so wise as to refrain from conflating political ambitions with Quranic interpretation. It has never led to any good.
Peace
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Here is a suggestion since you seem so concerned about the number of "BELIEVE(RS) in Pazuzus garbages", why don't you do a real statistic of that, not simply a wholesale appreciation which divests it of scientific value. A real scientific statistic founded also in an accurate definition of what is intended in the word "believe". Otherwise you sound like mere humbug, which is not really worthy of you.
If you are saying somebody believes in Pazuzus garbage might sound ofensive or insulting. If you give a proper technical definition of a "believer in Pazuzus garbage" would make more like your exigences when it comes to scientific stuff and bla, bla, bla...
Be up to your own level so you can admire you and ?who knows? "believe" in your garbage which you seem to think is way above Pazuzus garbage.
Salaam