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The Search for Muhammad has Ended

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    truth
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    The eloquent tongue (lissan 3arabi) of the Quran is the most ancient tongue on the planet. It was the tongue spoken by Adam (the first homo-sapien race). It is made up of three-letter roots whose meanings are derived directly from natural phenomena. For example. If you ask any European or American what the word "Adam" means, he will say "it's the name of the first human being". They see it as a proper noun which doesn't have a meaning. In "Arabic" the word "adam" is derived from the 3-letter root "adm", from which comes the word "adeem". When we say "adeem al- ardh", it means the soil or skin of the earth which is good and convenient for cultivation. So ADAM. is the being that was created from the skin of the earth (the surface clay), and who is ripe and fit to be the vicegerent , and worthy of receiving the divine message.

    There is not a single language on the face of this planet that will give you this meaning. Only "arabic" can.
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    Arabic as the mother tongue, the language of heaven etc is simply arabist propaganda and wishful thinking.

    To demonstrate why your last sentence (quoted above) is completely fanciful I will offer you an alternative explanation of the etymology of "Adam" (who was not arabic or semitic).

    In languages the most basic words have single phonemes (consisting of 1 or 2 letter written forms). These most basic words signify important early concepts in proto-languages.

    It so happens that "AD" means name or designation in Turkic.

    http//tureng.com/en/turkish-english/ad

    And Ad-*m would be "My name".

    Given that the most significant distinguishing feature of humans (who through evolution of primates) was the gift of God to think and name things, this is highly significant.

    The first mention of Adam is 231 and the first thing Adam is mentioned with respect to is names.

    "And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said "Tell me the names of these if ye are right." "

    The oldest languages on earth have an agglutinative structure (like Sumerian, and Turkic) as opposed to conjugated nominative-accusative (Indo-European) later languages. Semitic is very likely a synthetic contructed language group and not natural (like Esperanto, Klingon) and were invented by a priestly class as a closed language limited to religious elites for a purpose and only later gained currency as common spoken languages.

    Ancient languages like Basque (still spoken) and Etruscan (extinct) are also agglutinative and show especially in the Etruscans who predate Rome that agglutinative languages were more widespread in Europe even but were extinguished by increasing Indo-European ingress from Indo-Aryan migrations.

    Adam was the first named human, and the one who knew names. That is what distinguished him. All creatures come from clay. I hope you can appreciate the difference.

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      huruf
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      Adam was the first named human, and the one who knew names. That is what distinguished him. All creatures come from clay. I hope you can appreciate the difference.

      I doubt it. Adamwas the generic denominationn of thee population to whom God revealed Itself of the present human kind. That is, from te Qur'an. TheQujr'an de nnot say that adam was th first named human ad it speaks of adam in the dual in the plural and in the singular. It is not a proer ame, but the geeric denomiation of tht human kind. According to the Qur'an.

      Of curse nybody is free of developping or holding any opinion or belief about it. But this one i prticular is ot substantiated by the Qur'an.

      Salaam

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        imrankhawaja
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        I doubt it. Adamwas the generic denominationn of thee population to whom God revealed Itself of the present human kind

        this is debateable, depends on how somebody understand it,,

        human being is perfected through stages...
        all humans agree to accept the trust ....
        after that the first creation from the womb of earth is somehow revised to form another creation that would supposed to create from womb of women...

        now

        the first perfected human being after taking trust by (whole humanity ) was it adam or a group of people

        but i think some language experts need to ponder over grammer where God is reffering to adam is it plural noun or singular noun...

        what i find adam is a person one single person.. i havnt see a word qoom/nation anywhere with adam...

        but again
        God knows best

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          huruf
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          ?nation? ?qawm?

          Just read the very clear expressions in verbs singular or dual or plural, you have them all cocerning the events rgarding adam. Just as there is o Eve or Hawa, because all of them are adam.

          Salaam

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            Timotheus
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            Peace.

            i did not realize we were searching for muhammad?

            I seek my LORD alone.

            so we all should.

            Peace

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              imrankhawaja
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              ?nation? ?qawm?

              Just read the very clear expressions in verbs singular or dual or plural, you have them all cocerning the events rgarding adam. Just as there is o Eve or Hawa, because all of them are adam.

              Salaam

              sister if you can explain it with examples and references from quran it will be helpful,

              how you say it not a single perosn , everthing have a starting point so from one single soule(niether male nor female) a human being started and from that soule a pair created of male and female,, it must be a process God knows his secret of creation, but we know its started from a single unit of creation then from that unit a pair is been created and then from that pair there are mutipple pairs now,,

              what i understand you are telling us a theory in which there was lot of humanity at the very start...? or i m thinking it wrong

              please explain it in detail whatever ur understadning ,,if you provide reference as well it will be helpful

              thanx
              God bless you

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                imrankhawaja
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                41 O MANKIND! Be conscious of your Sustainer, who has created you out of one living entity, and out of it created its mate, and out of the two spread abroad a multitude of men and women. And remain conscious of God, in whose name you demand from one another, and of these ties of kinship. Verily, God is ever watchful over you!

                peace

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                  huruf
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                  Whe Godex expels adam fromthe garden He tells them in the plural "iHbitu".... And it is always adam and mate...

                  Look a little yourself. I am short of time. And look at actual people and animals.

                  Salaam

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                    imrankhawaja
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                    Whe Godex expels adam fromthe garden He tells them in the plural "iHbitu".... And it is always adam and mate...

                    Look a little yourself. I am short of time. And look at actual people and animals.

                    Salaam

                    so it was more than one person , i.e adam and mate... what so indifferent in it...

                    peace

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                      huruf
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                      Notsingular, ot dual, but pluural,more than two. Ithought that muchwas clear.

                      Salaam

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                        imrankhawaja
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                        Notsingular, ot dual, but pluural,more than two. Ithought that muchwas clear.

                        Salaam

                        when a thing is not single by default its plural... whether its two or two million...

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          3166 What you suffered on the day the two armies met was by God's leave, and to let those who acknowledge know.

                          238 We said, "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."

                          same root word used on otheer occassion clearly tell its two

                          plural is plural in grammer and its mean more than one..

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                            huruf
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                            You want to invent a new Arabic language, go ahead. I see you are very enterprising. Still I stick with the old one.

                            Salaam

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                              imrankhawaja
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                              its you who bring a language discussion in between,

                              wheras i was asking something else... anyway come back to the topic and tell me the possible outcome of anything that start ,, is it not a single enitity at some specific point... that was actual topic... or God create adams of every color .. ethinicity lol

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                You want to invent a new Arabic language,

                                Salaam

                                hahaha , no , the language references which i posted is 1400 years old..

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                                  huruf
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                                  Yes, yes, whatever you say, anything. No problem.

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                                    41 O MANKIND! Be conscious of your Sustainer, who has created you out of one living entity, and out of it created its mate, and out of the two spread abroad a multitude of men and women. And remain conscious of God, in whose name you demand from one another, and of these ties of kinship. Verily, God is ever watchful over you!

                                    peace

                                    Nafs is not Adam, nafs is btw feminine (of course IF we take "HA" to represent "femininity&quot.

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                                      imrankhawaja
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                                      Nafs is not Adam, nafs is btw feminine (of course IF we take "HA" to represent "femininity&quot.

                                      yes in daily language its feminity... either the rooh/nafs of male or female ... its feminity... same like earth lol

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                                        3166 What you suffered on the day the two armies met was by God's leave, and to let those who acknowledge know.

                                        238 We said, "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."

                                        same root word used on otheer occassion clearly tell its two

                                        plural is plural in grammer and its mean more than one..

                                        Salaam Imran

                                        May I write something if you allow me. In Arabic plural is not more than one rather there are three different rules for pronouns. If it is two then a dual pronoun is used and for more than three a plural pronoun is used.

                                        In 3166 has a plural noun "KUM" showing more than two.

                                        What huruf is saying is what we can find in Quran. Adam seems to represent mankind which developed from a single cell. Initially single cell reproduced asexually and at a later stage of development it started bisexual reproduction. This is how this ayat appears to depict. Otherwise you have to accept hadithi interpretation that a single man was created and his mate was created from his rib and then human race expanded through incest.

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                                        May God help us understanding His book.

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                                          Bender
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                                          Adam seems to represent mankind which developed from a single cell.

                                          If you meant with cell "nafs" then I totally agree with you.

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