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Who Was the Pharoah of Moses

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    huruf
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    Bros Kevin and Huruf,

    but there is a mention in the Quran of Daru Assalam, which transliterates as House/Home of Peace close enough to Jerusalem... (cannot remember the verse / chapter (aya / sura) position

    but is the Jerusalem in the ME the correct one, or the one pazuzu is unvbeiling in Asir...

    Dar as-salaam may apply to many things and many places. Anybody can call something he o rshe deems so "dar as-salaam". It is far from conclusive to assign it to one single specific place unless it is made clear in the context the place of the many that could be, that is meant.

    Too many things in the Qur'an have been taken for granted in spite of being merely interpetations or attributions of the reader.

    Salaam

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      noble
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      Peace
      we are wasting our time squabbling...
      this thread should close, as we are now onto the road of the patriarch...

      and incidentally, Allah does not mention things that can mean anything... Allah is very precise and subtle...

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        huruf
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        I am sorry, but the many attributions to Jerusalem, as far as I can see, rest on the previous interpetation that the books of the bible as they are are completely right and the interpretation given to them as well is competely right and all of it from God and without contamination from human intervention (something which I do not believe is so) and once all that taken for grated aplied to the Qur'an.

        On the other hand I feel aversion to idolizing cities or places and as far as Jerusalem is concerned, I am put off by that feeling of idolazation of it. I have not been to Jerusalem or Mecca so I do not know how they compare, but the idolization of Jerusalem simly puts me off. Mekkas, as far as I can feel it is just for the hajj and otherwise forgotten, but the Jerusalem thing to me feels sick.

        Every place in existence should be sacred just as everything should be sacred as God's creation. God is God everywhere and no more in one place than in another.

        Salaam

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          Maha
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          I am sorry, but the many attributions to Jerusalem, as far as I can see, rest on the previous interpetation that the books of the bible as they are are completely right and the interpretation given to them as well is competely right and all of it from God and without contamination from human intervention (something which I do not believe is so) and once all that taken for grated aplied to the Qur'an.

          On the other hand I feel aversion to idolizing cities or places and as far as Jerusalem is concerned, I am put off by that feeling of idolazation of it. I have not been to Jerusalem or Mecca so I do not know how they compare, but the idolization of Jerusalem simly puts me off. Mekkas, as far as I can feel it is just for the hajj and otherwise forgotten, but the Jerusalem thing to me feels sick.

          Every place in existence should be sacred just as everything should be sacred as God's creation. God is God everywhere and no more in one place than in another.

          Salaam

          bravo

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            huruf
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            Thanks Maha for your applause. I hope I don't get a beating for the post I have put in another thread.

            ( hmm

            Salaam

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              noble
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              Peace huruf,

              my neurons got entangled regarding dar u assalam...

              you are right it is not a place on earth, but from most interpretations a synonym for paradise...

              refer ayas 6127 and 1025

              6127 They will have the abode of peace (dar u assalam) with their Lord; He is their supporter because of what they used to do.

              1025 God calls to the abode of peace (dar u assalam), and He guides those whom He wishes to a straight path.

              Thanks for your vigilance...

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                noble
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                1025 God calls to the abode of peace (dar u assalam), and He guides those whom He wishes to a straight path.

                Quoting myself here, 1025 in my view is better translated like this

                1025 God calls to the abode of peace (dar u assalam), and He guides those who wish to a straight path.

                the responsibility of guidance being on the guided...

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                  Mazhar
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                  I am sorry, but the many attributions to Jerusalem, as far as I can see, rest on the previous interpetation that the books of the bible as they are are completely right and the interpretation given to them as well is competely right and all of it from God and without contamination from human intervention (something which I do not believe is so) and once all that taken for grated aplied to the Qur'an.

                  On the other hand I feel aversion to idolizing cities or places and as far as Jerusalem is concerned, I am put off by that feeling of idolazation of it. I have not been to Jerusalem or Mecca so I do not know how they compare, but the idolization of Jerusalem simly puts me off. Mekkas, as far as I can feel it is just for the hajj and otherwise forgotten, but the Jerusalem thing to me feels sick.

                  Every place in existence should be sacred just as everything should be sacred as God's creation. God is God everywhere and no more in one place than in another.

                  Salaam

                  Salam, huruf,

                  May be it helps to conclude
                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/095.%20At%20Teen/95.1.gif
                  Swearing is by the Fig and the Olive,
                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/095.%20At%20Teen/95.2.gif
                  and by the long stretching and parallel/rift rock of the Peninsula of Sinai,
                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/095.%20At%20Teen/95.3.gif
                  and by this Secured City.

                  In the above location which city seems to enjoy the qualitative trait of having been permanently secured?

                  Mecca; it is safe from the Eastern Rift Valley-Fault Line.

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                    drsam
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                    bravo that was great read puzuzu makes a lot of sense

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                      foralgerian
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                      Many Thanks Pazuzu..

                      your article is an eye opening and I really hope you don't give up and continue ...

                      Peace

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                        Sidi
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                        Salam Bro Layth

                        I read your article on "Kingdom of Isreal" and I find that there is a missing link.

                        AQ-02102
                        And they followed what the devils recited over the Kingdom of Solomon. And not Solomon who disbelieved but the devils disbelieved. They teach the people magic and what was sent down to the two angels, Harut & Marut, in Babil. And not they both teach any one unless they say, "We are only trials, so do not disbelieve." They learn from those two that by which they cause separation between a man and his wife. But they do not harm anyone through it except by permission of ALLAH. And they learn what harms them and does not benefit them. And certainly they knew that whoever purchased it could not have in the hereafter any share. And surely evils is what they sold themselves, if they only knew.

                        The a/m verse tell us that the Children of Isreal was in Babil , prior to their journey to "The Muqaddas". Babylon was the "Misr"-Citadel-Fortress.

                        To support the above verse,

                        AQ-0520
                        And when Moses said to his people "O my people, remember the favours of ALLAH upon you when HE placed Prophets amoung you and made you Kings and HE gave you what HE had not given to anyone from the worlds."

                        The a/m verse tell us that the Children of Isreal after Joseph was made Prophets and Kings and as such they ruled the land of Babylon and they were prosperous until they trangressed and thats where the wrath fo ALLAH befalls them, read AQ-174-5

                        There are Archeological & Historical facts that tell us the children of israel was enslaves in Babylon.

                        1. EXODUS - 0521-26
                          ALLAH sent Moses as a reedemer to the Israelites and they were told to enter "The Muqaddas". In order to that a military expedition has to be carried out. The Israelites refused and they were punished - barred from entering "The Muqaddasa"for 40 years.

                        2. AFTER 40 YEARS - AQ-02246-251
                          After 40 years ALLAH sent a Prophet together with Thalut, the new King of Isreal, and a young warrior, David , whereby, David killed Jalut (Goliath). The Isrealites enter "The Muqaddasa"victorious. ALLAH says in the AQ-17104-

                        And WE said after him to the children of israel, "Dwell in the land, then when comes the promise of the hereafter, WE will bring you in gathering."

                        The Muqaddasa mentioned in AQ-0521 was in South Arabia near the Land of Sheba AQ-2720-27.

                        1. FINAL WARNING TO THE ISRAELITES
                          AQ-1706-07
                          Then when WE gave back to you your independence from them and WE supplied you with wealth and sons and WE made you more influential.
                          If you do good, then it will be good for you, and if you do bad, then so be it. But when the promise of the second time comes, they will make your faces filled with sorrow and they will enter the temples as they did the first time and they will strike down all that was raised up.

                        ALLAH KNOWS BEST

                        This is only for your info, Salam Bro

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                          Shumali
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                          I donot know if the Pharoah's body becoming Ayah as per 921 has been answered or not, if not please enlighten me.921

                          Thanks

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                            FindingRightPathToAllah
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                            Salaam Pazuzu,

                            This was a great research. It is making lots of sense. I have to verify some parts of it though.

                            God bless you.

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