Convert - Shia inclined but very curious
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As'salamu alaikum and welcome.
I'm an ex-shia myself, but we won't focus on that too much here. I just want to say that one should be weary of ahadith since it is all based upon oral accounts. As you probably know, oral accounts are not accepted as evidence in a court of law as it's weak and tends to be distorted. With that in mind why should oral accounts in ahadith be considered any different? It's just a little something to think about before venturing into this site. )
Congrats on the conversion by the way.
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first of all different shia sects such as zaidia ,nizaria, mustaalids and imamites(12ers) are all commercial sects rather than religious .
secondly. shia (12er) hadiths were written long after the death of prophet MUhammad and imam jaffar . and there is no hadith book written by any of the shia imams themselves.and one get surprised when one knows that 2/3 of the shiites ' books are written just 3 or 400 years ago in safavid era in iran lolz. -
first of all different shia sects such as zaidia ,nizaria, mustaalids and imamites(12ers) are all commercial sects rather than religious .
secondly. shia (12er) hadiths were written long after the death of prophet MUhammad and imam jaffar . and there is no hadith book written by any of the shia imams themselves.and one get surprised when one knows that 2/3 of the shiites ' books are written just 3 or 400 years ago in safavid era in iran lolz.Haven't heard this one about them being written during the Safavid era. Al Kafi which is the Shia Bukhari was written about 300 years after the Prophets death and also contains hadiths of the Imams. Though the major difference is that Al Kafi when first collected was called by its collector as unreliable and that one should look at it and throw away whatever contradicts the Quran.
interesting what do you know about the safavid era, didn't they just promote shiaism? and revive islamic (shia) philosophy?
or you think they just reinvented the wheel?
Personally I as Persian clearly like the Safavid era for Persia came back but as for Shiaism, that is something i'm glad grew as well in opposition to Sunnism. While Shiaism is also traditionally runned, it at least isn't as fundamental as Sunnism O_O The difference in opinions we have now I think we can someone contribute to shiaisms opposition to the regular sunni standards then.
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peace be upon you as well.
About shia's, a few days ago i was blessed with having a talk with a Shia Muslim Lady.
I don?t think she heard of following the Quran alone. To say, i kind of like her because
- she kind of encouraged me to follow the Quran and use my mind/reasoning
- she kind of was sympathetic with the 3 salat a day ?theory?, since shia muslims do accept the tradition that the Prophet combined his 5 salats and thus only did salat at only 3 times per day.
- she was much liberal and kind.
I?ve had talks with sunnis before, but now, i think shia?s might just be a better audience.
Shia forums anyone? -
peace be upon you as well.
About shia's, a few days ago i was blessed with having a talk with a Shia Muslim Lady.
I don?t think she heard of following the Quran alone. To say, i kind of like her because
- she kind of encouraged me to follow the Quran and use my mind/reasoning
- she kind of was sympathetic with the 3 salat a day ?theory?, since shia muslims do accept the tradition that the Prophet combined his 5 salats and thus only did salat at only 3 times per day.
- she was much liberal and kind.
I?ve had talks with sunnis before, but now, i think shia?s might just be a better audience.
Shia forums anyone?Ah nice. Shiachat is a forum where Shias mainly are on. Yeah shias do pray 3 times as we normally agree on. Even thoigh they say that there are 5, they always combine it to 3 and even at mosques when they do it together. But one thing i've learned from shias is that the hadith is not as withstanding as it is with the sunnis in that if you reject a hadith, they won't call you a kaffir ) did you tell her of your
Quran only beliefs? -
Yes i told her, but i don't think she herd about it before.
There might be a need to spread the message around! -
Yes i told her, but i don't think she herd about it before.
There might be a need to spread the message around!Very true. The message does need to spread. Its just how the Protestant religion started against the Catholic beliefs, in this case its us vs the sunnis. This type of protest was what led Europe to the modern ages of freedom, let's hope this can spread similarly and be what brings the middle east to the same era
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An idea would be to just come up to muslims (women night be easier to notice because of their coverings), and just ask a kind of "interview question"
are you sunni or shia?
have you ever herd of following the Quran alone?
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An idea would be to just come up to muslims (women night be easier to notice because of their coverings), and just ask a kind of "interview question"
are you sunni or shia?
have you ever herd of following the Quran alone?
you should research about it.Women... hmm what I fear for them is that if they start rebelling against their possibily strict husbands that it can make things tough.
Also I have had this idea for a bit that the place that it can spring with success would be Iran or Turkey considering the people have a pretty secular mind as is and Quran alone fits the secular ideology quite well.