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    yazeed
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    Can Humans live without Religion ?

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      Indelwyn
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      I can live without organized religion. Organized religions often bring out the worst of religion.

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        Student_of_Allah
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        Shalom,

        I think everyone has his/her religion. For the non-believer, not believing often becomes a religious duty..lol.

        PEACE

        ----------------- Student of Allah

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          Ikrame
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          I don t think it s possible but it s how you look at it and what you understand under religion. I personally look at it as a ruling system whether one denies it or not.
          Even if a disbeliever doesn t acknowledge Allah and his ruling he is still submitted to His laws and rules

          Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah.-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back 383

          peace

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            Can Humans live without Religion ?

            Yes humans can live without Religion. But that is not the question I believe you should be asking. The question you should ask is whether people can live and succeed without God's guidance. The religion of Abraham to me is not just any Way but it is THE WAY to succeed in this life for those who possess intelligence.

            Peace,

            Kevin

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              yazeed
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              humans can live without religion ? i think the correct way i should have put on was is there any need of religion of any kind ? religion for me is a virus which kill commonsense.. what the people do being in religion,..

              1. Creating Division of society / country ... etc.
              2. every religion claim to be true by hook n crook
              3. Every religion wants to overcome the religion.
              4. Every religion tends to be of "peace" but in reality they try to create disharmony.
              5. Every Religion put justice after life by preaching of "heaven N hell" a non realistic life, but in real life on this earth they hardly any affords is made towards justice is there...thinking why should we do when after life is there...

              pls note Religions ( i have counted major ones like Islamism / christian ism / Hinduism /Buddhism)

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                Mr_Q
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                Salam,

                Everyone has a religion and everyone has a god.

                Your religion is your Path, your moral code and your way of life and who or what decides that path is your god.

                What you see in the world is the "religion" of people, but God has revealed His Path and His way of living in clear understandable terms. The problem is most people, even those who claim "they believe" are not following His religion. Most of the world simply follows Idols or their Ego is their god.

                The question you should have asked is can humans live without God's Religion? The answer is yes, and you only need to look at history and the current state of the world to see the results of the world abandoning God's Commandments and Guidance.

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                  humans can live without religion ? i think the correct way i should have put on was is there any need of religion of any kind ? religion for me is a virus which kill commonsense.. what the people do being in religion,..

                  1. Creating Division of society / country ... etc.
                  2. every religion claim to be true by hook n crook
                  3. Every religion wants to overcome the religion.
                  4. Every religion tends to be of "peace" but in reality they try to create disharmony.
                  5. Every Religion put justice after life by preaching of "heaven N hell" a non realistic life, but in real life on this earth they hardly any affords is made towards justice is there...thinking why should we do when after life is there...

                  pls note Religions ( i have counted major ones like Islamism / christian ism / Hinduism /Buddhism)

                  The religion of Abraham doesn't promote any of the above. You have a bad view of this deen probably because of your background and the people around you. Please enlighten me and others where in the Quran do any of the above occur.

                  Peace,

                  Kevin.

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                    Jafar
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                    Can Humans live without Religion ?

                    Yes, all humans are born without any religion and shall die without any religion as well...

                    Religion is one among many 'social identity label' which human willingly or unwillingly attach him/herself to. In order to form a 'group' among them. It's very similar with 'nationality','race','ethnicity','tribe','clubs','street gangs' etc...

                    Deen is not 'religion' deen is ' opinion/judgement/attitude' (towards something)..

                    Salam / Peace

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                      Salam,

                      Gods religion includes deeds, doing works, rituals and upholding His Commandments not just a way of thinking about things.

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                        Salam,

                        Everyone has a religion and everyone has a god.

                        Your religion is your Path, your moral code and your way of life and who or what decides that path is your god.

                        What you see in the world is the "religion" of people, but God has revealed His Path and His way of living in clear understandable terms. The problem is most people, even those who claim "they believe" are not following His religion. Most of the world simply follows Idols or their Ego is their god.

                        The question you should have asked is can humans live without God's Religion? The answer is yes, and you only need to look at history and the current state of the world to see the results of the world abandoning God's Commandments and Guidance.

                        No.

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                          Kaiokenred
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                          Salam,

                          Gods religion includes deeds, doing works, rituals and upholding His Commandments not just a way of thinking about things.

                          There's no such thing as a religion of God.

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                            Mr_Q
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                            Salam,

                            Suit yourself. Good luck and peace.

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                              Jafar
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                              There's no such thing as a religion of God.

                              Yup.. God doesn't have any religion... and 'deen' is not religion...

                              Many of the sectarian twist the meaning of 319
                              Inna Al-Deena Inda Allahi Islam..

                              From
                              Verily the (proper) attitude/judgement/opinion towards/to/at The God is Submit/Submission...

                              Into
                              Verily the only acceptable Religion in the sight of God is Islam..

                              In order to make people join their religion / sect.... and to show the 'superiority' of their religion/sect from other religions/sects. Which thus get further expanded into; only those who are the member of our religion/sect shall entitled to heaven while others shall go to hell..

                              319 contains additional remarks that "Submitting to God as the proper attitude/judgement/opinion" is inline with the teachings of the previous books.

                              "Those who were given the Scripture did not differ (about it)" (319)

                              And the sectarian Sunnis/Shiites tried to find 'the shahada', 'the call to Mecca', 'the circumambulation' (tawaf), 'imam mahdi', 'the detailed body movements and what to recite on ritualized praying' and other mandatory sunni/shiites dogmatic teachings within the previous books and they couldn't find any!!

                              To solve that; they just declare that the previous books has been altered.. and as thus 'obsolete'..

                              They're not aware that they're looking for the wrong things!!

                              If only they knew... that the essence of the teachings is

                              "Our Father in heaven,
                              hallowed be your name, your kingdom come,
                              Let Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
                              Give us today our daily bread.
                              And forgive us of our sins, as we also have forgiven those who sins against us.
                              And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one."
                              Matthew 69-13

                              There are signs for those who understand...

                              Salam / Peace

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                                Mr_Q
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                                Salam,

                                Of course! Its just "thinking" almost like "just believing" but God says that doesn't get us into Heaven either. God decides who goes to heaven and hell based on His descriptions of them in the Quran. I don't find any description of people who have simple attitude/judgement/opinion going to heaven. The ones who make it to Heaven, God describes them to be doing things like upholding commandments and doing works but of course maybe God is misleading us when we are only supposed to think and have opinions.

                                To you is your religion, to me is what God describes people doing and gives examples of in the Quran. Peace.

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                                  Mr_Q
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                                  Salam,

                                  Another question, is it your contention that those who practice what is shown by example in the Quran, those that actually bow and prostrate and devote their prayers to God alone and uphold His commandments regarding our conduct and perform ablution and fasting and charity and various righteous works are all misguided sectarian fools whom God rejects and condemns to Hell?

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                                    Jafar
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                                    Another question, is it your contention that those who practice what is shown by example in the Quran, those that actually bow and prostrate and devote their prayers to God alone and uphold His commandments regarding our conduct and perform ablution and fasting and charity and various righteous works are all misguided sectarian fools whom God rejects and condemns to Hell?

                                    You should not post that question to me... as I'm not the one who shall decide people fate..

                                    Another differences between sectarians and non-sectarians are non-sectarian never judge other people.. demonized them or condemn them to hell...

                                    But if you want my opinion.. then my opinion will be, perhaps yes and perhaps no... yet I really hope that it is yes..

                                    May all beings found peace of mind and happiness..
                                    Om Shanti Shanti Om..

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                                      Jafar
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                                      I would like to add.. the opposite of 'living without religion'..

                                      Feel free to join multiple religions... be a sunnis, shiites, catholics, orthodox, coptics, jews, buddhist, taoist whatever at the same time.. pray in mosque at friday, church at sunday, synagogue at saturday, meditate at buddhist temple on any other day. Because religion doesn't really matter.. it's your act and deed that matter..

                                      Salam / peace

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                                        Mr_Q
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                                        Salam,

                                        Our acts and deeds are our religion and what acts and deeds should be done are described in the Quran. Thats my religion. Everyone works according to their beliefs and God will judge among us on the Day of Judgment.

                                        Peace Brother

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                                          Kaiokenred
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                                          So your acts and deeds are stupid unnecessary rituals?

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