Film Making and encouraging haram?
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Brother, cars were not invented for ppl to die, they were invented so ppl can travel, so this is not an example. I know ur intentions r good, but y cnt u make a comedy about Muslims or I dunno, cats or something. Another thing I point out, the whole "western". Like not all westerns do the stuf u wna film bout so yea.
Also if u find drinking, sex, etc "funny" fear Allah
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Salam, Peace,
a women is in town's administration, the civil servant ask her
- how many children do you have
- 10
- and what are they names
- Ben, Ben, Ben,Ben....Ben
- but how do you do when you call them for dinner
- easy I call Ben then they all come for dinner
- but , but when you want to send them in the bed room
- easy I call them Ben go to sleeping room, and they all go.
- Yeah but I mean when you want to speak to one in particular?
- easy I call them by their father's name
This is a joke, it could be a movie or an entire book I am not giving this as an example for women peace
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Brother, cars were not invented for ppl to die, they were invented so ppl can travel, so this is not an example. I know ur intentions r good, but y cnt u make a comedy about Muslims or I dunno, cats or something. Another thing I point out, the whole "western". Like not all westerns do the stuf u wna film bout so yea.
Also if u find drinking, sex, etc "funny" fear Allah
and yet movies were invented for people to learn to haram? NO, they were invented to ENTERTAIN, not try to influence people to do haram. oh and I know what you'll say next, you'll say that some people try to angle their films to influence people, well same with cars in that they might jump in it and run over people or shoot someone from the side window and drive off. You say make it about muslims? I live IN THE WEST, most are not muslims there I don't have a target audience and thus I make one for the general audience who sees this stuff daily especially since one is trying to get an accurate portrayal of the west down.
So if some of these guys aren't eating pork, aren't drinking alcohol, aren't trying to get dates, then clearly that is not what you normally see in the west as it is common for them to try to do these stuff otherwise it would be the middle east.
and you assume that the central theme is drinking, sex and such but NO as that would be glorifying them and I don't want to glorify them. Those will be mentioned or you might see them casually talking about it or consuming it, but it wouldn't try to say "ALCOHOL IS GOOD!!!!" These guys might try to find dates and sometimes want sex even but that is a common thing about the west. It's simply an accurate portrayal of the west. Just watch Seinfeld, that was accurate.
Oh and i'm sure you will now go onto repeat yourself on it still "encouraging haram" well then lets look at the rest of society.
-A woman walking down the street!? That can really raise lust, lets throw a GIANT burqa on them.... actually lets confine them to homes just to be on the safe side.
-You are working in a clothing store? leather pants raise lust! Quit the job!
-You are working at McDonalds? well quit that too cause that sells pork somewhere between its fries and chicken.
-You own a car? Give that up as someone might be influenced to commit suicide by jumping front of it.
-You keep alcohol for medical purposes? throw that away! your husband or some neighbour might just drink.
-You invented a new weapon for self-defence? destroy it as someone might take it and use it for offense.
-You play with Yu-Gi-Oh card in order to have fun? TOO BAD, your brother might take those and use them for gambling.What do you say now? as clearly everyone has the right intention, but if someone comes in and does wrong with it, would he not be the one to blame? As a muslim born and raised and just as with all the other muslims I know in the west, we grew up with TV and all these stuff but we have been careful never to actually engage in the acts that are shown. If someone decides to skip out and follow fiction, then wouldn't that be his own problem? and thats only a muslim we are talking about, you're average westerner would likely already be fine with these things as is as he doesn't even have Islam to him not to do this stuff, whether it be that he is irreligious or of the different faith like Christianity which allows alcohol.
and brothers what do you say on this?
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Salam,
I dont think one can give you anything conclusive in this regard. However, I can share my thoughts based on my understandings.
Lets say a movie on war. You show how 3000 people are slayed by one man. It is murder that you are showing. But your motive is not to encourage murder or profit from it. So, the way I understand it is..its ok.
Now, another kind of example. Pornography for the sake of it. I personally think that I can have enough grounds to call it bad. I can actually do an analysis of such films on human mind and actions later in life. So, I would rather not engage in that kind of film making.
There are certain limitations to what I allow myself to see with my eyes without committing adultery in my heart. I would try to reflect that on screen too. Otherwise, I would feel a lot hypocritical to simply say that I am no pedophile, but I supply pedos with kids.
In this matter, you can actually get lots of help from scientists who have done works based on films and their impacts on society and human behavior later in life.
I hope that you come up with good films )
PEACE
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Salam, Peace,
a women is in town's administration, the civil servant ask her
- how many children do you have
- 10
- and what are they names
- Ben, Ben, Ben,Ben....Ben
- but how do you do when you call them for dinner
- easy I call Ben then they all come for dinner
- but , but when you want to send them in the bed room
- easy I call them Ben go to sleeping room, and they all go.
- Yeah but I mean when you want to speak to one in particular?
- easy I call them by their father's name
This is a joke, it could be a movie or an entire book I am not giving this as an example for women peace
I lol'd XDD clearly the woman was with a lot of men, but doesn't mean the creator would be telling the audience and do the same. If someone does it is burden on the one who did the deed as the creator simply wanted to entertain using a simple western setting which has people fornicating like that. Good example by the way.
Salam,
I dont think one can give you anything conclusive in this regard. However, I can share my thoughts based on my understandings.
Lets say a movie on war. You show how 3000 people are slayed by one man. It is murder that you are showing. But your motive is not to encourage murder or profit from it. So, the way I understand it is..its ok.
Now, another kind of example. Pornography for the sake of it. I personally think that I can have enough grounds to call it bad. I can actually do an analysis of such films on human mind and actions later in life. So, I would rather not engage in that kind of film making.
There are certain limitations to what I allow myself to see with my eyes without committing adultery in my heart. I would try to reflect that on screen too. Otherwise, I would feel a lot hypocritical to simply say that I am no pedophile, but I supply pedos with kids.
In this matter, you can actually get lots of help from scientists who have done works based on films and their impacts on society and human behavior later in life.
I hope that you come up with good films
PEACE
--------------- Student of AllahI agree, pornography definitely is something that is meant to directly influence on to do haram as in bring up sexual tension, though before you reply Ozi Kristi-lee, I know you will try call this "entertainment" as I referred to my sitcom as that, but mine is for laughter, this one is to actually raise lust.
Actually just the fact that one get two people to fornicate together was encouraging haram alone on screen.
but yeah I understand about limitations Student of Allah, but mine is on the scale of everyday life in the west one witnesses thus its not really any different from what one already sees and hears if they live in the west. Think Seinfeld, you wouldn't call that haram I would assume.
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Basically my worry here is that would this be considered as "encouraging haram", though I would assume that each person is judged based on their own actions, thus if someone saw it and did something based on it while others didn't, it would be their own fault for doing their haram no? and my intention is definitely not to encourage haram and rather just bring up some laughter and realism.
Salaam Aleikum Bro
I believe the pertinent ayah, from Al Quran, regarding your dilemma is the one below. If your films or sitcoms enjoin what is good and discourage what is evil I think God will be watching them with a benign smile. sun
Aal-e-`Imran Chapter 3 Verse 111
You are the best people raised for the good of mankind; you enjoin what is good and forbid evil and believe in Allah. -
Salaam Aleikum Bro
I believe the pertinent ayah, from Al Quran, regarding your dilemma is the one below. If your films or sitcoms enjoin what is good and discourage what is evil I think God will be watching them with a benign smile. sun
Aal-e-`Imran Chapter 3 Verse 111
You are the best people raised for the good of mankind; you enjoin what is good and forbid evil and believe in Allah.But that is talking about what WE do in real life, about the individual. Also whatever happened to the line "Everyone is responsible for their own sins" isn't that what applies here? I am simply showing reality with some comedy mixed into it and not telling them that these things are good. What do you say?
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But that is talking about what WE do in real life, about the individual. Also whatever happened to the line "Everyone is responsible for their own sins" isn't that what applies here? I am simply showing reality with some comedy mixed into it and not telling them that these things are good. What do you say?
Brother
You obviously have qualms about what you intend to do, and understandably so, because you will have a lot of pressure on you to make this sit com or whatever commercially viable and risk losing your integrity in the process. However you also have an opportunity here to have an impact for the greater good if you can package your films with a message that is good and not too obvious or hectoring. yesCertainly everyone is responsible for their own sins but, and this is crucial, we also have a share in what ever evil we support and what ever good we encourage. Clearly you have an active conscience and you have a direct channel to God in your contact prayer so ask His guidance and then do what you can to promote the good and demote the evil through your films. May Allah guide you to what is best brother. pr
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Brother I'm sure u could spend ur time mor wisely, maybe by making a film about Islam for dawah ect. The world already uses cheap humor in the form of sex, dating, alcohol ect, so if ur a clever filmmaker, u cld make a film without the use of these. Salamunalaykom
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Brother
You obviously have qualms about what you intend to do, and understandably so, because you will have a lot of pressure on you to make this sit com or whatever commercially viable and risk losing your integrity in the process. However you also have an opportunity here to have an impact for the greater good if you can package your films with a message that is good and not too obvious or hectoring. yesCertainly everyone is responsible for their own sins but, and this is crucial, we also have a share in what ever evil we support and what ever good we encourage. Clearly you have an active conscience and you have a direct channel to God in your contact prayer so ask His guidance and then do what you can to promote the good and demote the evil through your films. May Allah guide you to what is best brother. pr
but if its reality? exactly what is pretty much done in reality that is?
-Like for example a Christian can drink, so if we see the Christian talking with someone while having a bottle of beer in his hand, is that "encouraging haram"? as I'd think that it is simply common knowledge and normal to see someone talking to you while doing that as I see my friends like that.
-What if they go into a restaurant and one of them orders bacon? Considering that pork is casually eaten by westerners.or you see the waiters serving alcohol to people. Common things that people do in the west.
-How about stuff in the background? like a bottle of alcohol in the background in the shelf of the one
-How about dating? considering we are Quranists, it isn't haram until it turns to Zina as men and woman are allowed to look at each other, hold hands and more tis long as it doesn't reach sex. So for example you have the characters wanting to date or looking for a date (first episode of my sitcom i'm writing actually)
-and what if the characters are portrayed as bad people that no one likes, would it then be okay as it is bad people doing that stuff?
-or if the characters do haram, it has some sort of consequence to it
-Say the character is in a mess or distressed and ends up taking a bottle of alcohol and starts drinking it
-what if the characters are backbiting each other? this would I think show that they aren't good people by just doing it and thus wouldn't be promoting it right?
-What if I threw a muslim character (Quranist) in the mix who in contrast to them lived our lifestyles.Also how hefty is "encouraging haram"? If one encourages it, it is a smaller sin than the actual sin done by the person right? And if indirect like this if I were to go through with it would be even smaller I assume? and what is your view on Seinfeld as a result?
And if writing doesn't go so well, I got directing which would just have me directing what is given to me then write up the content.
Of course i'm still not convinced as my intentions are simply to portray reality, basically show New York City in its everyday life. Afterall bringing up the weapon example, one can make a weapon for defending mankind yet another can take it and use it against mankind. I wouldn't think the creator of the weapon is a sinner through indirect encouraging of haram as the one who took that and used it would be the one at fault.
Brother I'm sure u could spend ur time mor wisely, maybe by making a film about Islam for dawah ect. The world already uses cheap humor in the form of sex, dating, alcohol ect, so if ur a clever filmmaker, u cld make a film without the use of these. Salamunalaykom
but always about Islam will get tiring and considering being the west, such stories are never accepted by the media to be made into films.
And every film has some sort of sin taking place and every genre that isn't about islam has it somewhere in it too. That would mean film making is basically forbidden by that logic, which I know can't be the case. Tell me what do you think of Seinfeld then? You consider that haram even though it is every day life that is being shown? Nothing is out of the ordinary in there. The characters clearly sin but we know it and thus don't do it. There might be some that are weak and might sin cause they see the show, but that can be said about literally anything in this world. As long as I don't overdo it I think it would be fine. Like I shouldn't glorify those sins like alcohol or sex.
Regardless I also still got directing which isn't involved with writing the content, so i'd be fine there. -
Also what if I were to throw a disclaimer on top? and is encouraging haram just a sin of a lesser scale compared to the sin the person has sin or would it be kufr or shirk?
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^^ Dating doesn't necessarily mean sex you know.
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^^ Dating doesn't necessarily mean sex you know.
I know but to some muslims thats what it means
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Ok a show like seinfeild I better than that of American pie and pretty much all the other movies out at the moment. But I mean there will only b one Kramer ) and yeas I understand that u may only go so far wit an Islamic show, but I'm sure u cld make it funny as, and something for us Muslims to watch rather than crap on tv or crap from traditional Muslims.
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Ok a show like seinfeild I better than that of American pie and pretty much all the other movies out at the moment. But I mean there will only b one Kramer ) and yeas I understand that u may only go so far wit an Islamic show, but I'm sure u cld make it funny as, and something for us Muslims to watch rather than crap on tv or crap from traditional Muslims.
Well I never wanna do anything as extreme as American Pie as I hate shitty teenage life >_< that isn't regular everyday life, that's just stupid rotfl Seinfeld is what I wanna do basically and the sitcom is basically based around my life and my friends which is why there are people who will drink sometimes or eat pork or even talk about sex as those are my friends who did with me (and me being a character too but not doing those things of course other than many righteously discuss sex lol)
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@Ozi Kristi-lee I also wanna state that American Pie and a naked woman in it and I definitely wouldn't make my actors go totally nude or do any action that would be haram there. Thus the meat they would eat wouldn't have actually been pork anyways (rather beef) and the wine would have been some sort of juice lol
But yeah clearly there are boundaries but I would only go as far as Seinfeld when it comes to comedy. Horror movies and action films are also other stuff I like doing too just so you know.
So what do you think?
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Aryan Warrior all your topics are always related to sex.. is it a coincident rotfl
next time you will make a porno movie where you are the pornstar and than come back and ask people weather you have ''encouraged someone to do haram'' or weather you have commited ''adultery'' when its just a pornmovie.Eating pork and 'talking about sex' have historically always been haram in islam nomatter if its in movies, just showing it or whatso ever. You should perhaps make a movie about why eating pork and talking about sex is wrong.
propher muhammed himself stated that you should not have anything to do with pork or sex, and know mashallah you want to make a movie on that so remember that prophet muhammad is angry with you.
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Aryan Warrior all your topics are always related to sex.. is it a coincident rotfl
next time you will make a porno movie where you are the pornstar and than come back and ask people weather you have ''encouraged someone to do haram'' or weather you have commited ''adultery'' when its just a pornmovie.Eating pork and 'talking about sex' have historically always been haram in islam nomatter if its in movies, just showing it or whatso ever. You should perhaps make a movie about why eating pork and talking about sex is wrong.
propher muhammed himself stated that you should not have anything to do with pork or sex, and know mashallah you want to make a movie on that so remember that prophet muhammad is angry with you.
Oh God, its you again >_< you the person who quickly assumes the worst in me when I don't.
I guess i'll reply even though I don't consider you a good source unlike everyone else in this topic but I won't be replying any further to you after this.
You say porn, but porn is completely different from Seinfeld. Seinfeld is just simply the west in its everyday life where they do what they normally do whether it be live their life. They might go outside to some restaurant and one might order alcohol and pork, sometimes people in the west wonder and talk about sex with each other, and amongst other things that are common to westerners. The intention here is to show reality with some comedy mixed into it while not glorifying any of these clearly.
As for porn; porn has two sins to it. The first is that you get your actors to fornicate together thus you have encouraged them to do that with each other directly and the second sin is that the intention of this is to raise and glorify the lust of people by showing straight up sex.
Apple and freakin oranges, don't say stupid things. The aim isn't for muslims so I clearly am not showing that it is okay for muslims to eat or do such things as clearly in reality a muslim doesn't do that stuff, thus why the characters are your average irreligious westerners who regularly do these things otherwise that would be a lie on reality if the westerners didn't go by their natural lives. Quite frankly by your logic I guess I should make a move about why cars are bad too as they can be used to kill people or make a film about why women should wear "burqas" as being without one can apparently provoke lust. I am keeping these things there neutrally and not glorifying them as that is the real west. Up to the freakin audience at that point. If what I make which has no intention of getting them to do such things and some idiot thinks its okay even though its a fiction and not glorified, then that is their own fault, much like someone who could take a self defence weapon and use as an offensive one.
Also whats with you using hadith on a Quran only board? and let alone why would I care if Muhammad is angry with me? I praise GOD ONLY! I'm not some sunni who places muhammad as a judge or something, I am a Quranist who only cares for what GOD thinks. What are you? some Sunni Traditionalist?
Anyways i'm done with you, and don't care any further with what you gotta say.
Anyone else got opinions?
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Oh God, its you again >_< you the person who quickly assumes the worst in me when I don't.
I guess i'll reply even though I don't consider you a good source unlike everyone else in this topic but I won't be replying any further to you after this.
You say porn, but porn is completely different from Seinfeld. Seinfeld is just simply the west in its everyday life where they do what they normally do whether it be live their life. They might go outside to some restaurant and one might order alcohol and pork, sometimes people in the west wonder and talk about sex with each other, and amongst other things that are common to westerners. The intention here is to show reality with some comedy mixed into it while not glorifying any of these clearly.
As for porn; porn has two sins to it. The first is that you get your actors to fornicate together thus you have encouraged them to do that with each other directly and the second sin is that the intention of this is to raise and glorify the lust of people by showing straight up sex.
Apple and freakin oranges, don't say stupid things. The aim isn't for muslims so I clearly am not showing that it is okay for muslims to eat or do such things as clearly in reality a muslim doesn't do that stuff, thus why the characters are your average irreligious westerners who regularly do these things otherwise that would be a lie on reality if the westerners didn't go by their natural lives. Quite frankly by your logic I guess I should make a move about why cars are bad too as they can be used to kill people or make a film about why women should wear "burqas" as being without one can apparently provoke lust. I am keeping these things there neutrally and not glorifying them as that is the real west. Up to the freakin audience at that point. If what I make which has no intention of getting them to do such things and some idiot thinks its okay even though its a fiction and not glorified, then that is their own fault, much like someone who could take a self defence weapon and use as an offensive one.
Also whats with you using hadith on a Quran only board? and let alone why would I care if Muhammad is angry with me? I praise GOD ONLY! I'm not some sunni who places muhammad as a judge or something, I am a Quranist who only cares for what GOD thinks. What are you? some Sunni Traditionalist?
Anyways i'm done with you, and don't care any further with what you gotta say.
Anyone else got opinions?
You are a sexiest. First you argued that you could have a sex marriage before your real marriage, than you argued that you can have slaves and even sex slaves and now you are discussing if making non muslims talking about sex is halal. Either you are just a sexiest or you just feel horney all the time hence you are obsessed with sex. Satan follows his desire and lust.
Welcome to my ignore list from now.
Peace
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You are a sexiest. First you argued that you could have a sex marriage before your real marriage, than you argued that you can have slaves and even sex slaves and now you are discussing if making non muslims talking about sex is halal. Either you are just a sexiest or you just feel horney all the time hence you are obsessed with sex. Satan follows his desire and lust.
Welcome to my ignore list from now.
Peace
I said I wouldn't reply back but you just crossed a line. What right do you have to call me a sexist? (spell it correctly too next time) First off you totally LOVE to bring out the worst in people. If you had any decency, you would have read my posts before in that I do not seek sex and that just cause the one I love might want something in the future, I thought of doing a Nikah Misyar which is NOT prostitution or anything sex related but rather a marriage with both sides stating in their vows that provisions aren't needed on either ends and thus we could be married and if the woman might want to get intimate, at least it won't be illegal. I am 22 and have lived my whole life without sex and can live quite fine without it, so I clearly am not after that. I am after love, but if the woman wants it I have to make sure. And yes SLAVE have been allowed in Islam that's what right hand possession meant and always meant. Muhammad couldn't abolish considering the world ran on it at that time so he made rules for it so they can have some rights too. That is why you lost so much credibility.
Talking about sex is not haram, the act from other than your wife is. This is a script they be reading and a script doesn't portray what they really think especially since every idiot out there knows that it is fiction too. I am not sexist or horny, but you on the other hand have a stupid superiority complex of wanting to crush others with baseless comments and false accusations which i'm sure false accusations are against islam. Who is the sinner here I wonder? (looks at you)
and now you officially are in my ignore list too.