Sunnis view on the so-called "quranits"
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As-Salamu Alaykum! Peace be upon you!
sorry for my bad english first of all )
i wanna know sunnis view on "quranits", u know, some fatwas and all that ) are "quranits" kafirs for them and why, if quranits still agree with SHAHADA? im just wonder because there are A LOT OF opinions in traditional Islam, so im searchin' for that opinion of some alim that quranits are still muslims, even if we dont think some hadiths are not true.
Thank you people )
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Shalom,
I do not know of any such influential figure that would give the "Halal" seal on the Quranists.
There is a HUGE problem in declaring them to be muslims. Number 1, people would be more eager to learn Qur'an. Since now they dont have to explore 1.2 million hadith and books and scholar's views before starting to understand Qur'an. These Alims draw their power from the ignorance of their ummah.
Why are you seeking any Alim's reference ? Is not Allah sufficient for his slave ? Be the Ibrahim of your time, challenge society. Be the Jesus of your time, go head to head with the scribes and scholars and inform them of the painful retribution of a great day.
PEACE
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u r right brother) Allah is sufficient for me ) no question ) im just wonderin, man. just want to know tha answer, so i could close mouth of some ignorant man by fatwa of sunni alim.
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u r right brother) Allah is sufficient for me ) no question ) im just wonderin, man. just want to know tha answer, so i could close mouth of some ignorant man by fatwa of sunni alim.
Shalom,
So you want to assist them with their idol worship ?
Brother, these people obey their scholars more than God. You quoting their scholars instead of Qur'an would encourage them to stick to "OPINIONS OF SCHOLARS" on all things.
Or you want them to recognize what you say based on what their partner of God (Alim) says ?
It sounds pathetic. If they dont believe what you say when you say it from Qur'an, why should you quote another Alim ? Try to make them understand that God is above all, but dont negotiate with the idol worshippers.
3945 And when God alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice!
4010 Those who had rejected will be told The abhorrence of God towards you is greater than your abhorrence of yourselves, for you were invited to believe, but you chose to reject.
4011 They will say Our Lord, You have made us die twice, and You have given us life twice. Now we have confessed our sins. Is there any way out of this state?
4012 This is because when God alone was mentioned, you rejected, but when partners were set up with Him, you believed. Therefore, the judgment is for God, the Most High, the Great.My friend, as you can see, God himself classifies such behaviors as REJECTION of God's system. Why do you want to be a part of such horrendous crime ?
What will you get out of it if your friends tell you that after hearing the Alim, they think you are a muslim ? Which is better ? To be muslim in Allah's sight ? or your friends ? When you go to your friends with judgement of Alims instead of God, you are inviting them to "set partners". That is an evil thing to do.
The one that does not believe you when you speak from the Book of God but believes you when you speak from an Alim's book is not a believer anyway, it is a rejector that has set partners not beside God, but above God. So what is the point in shutting their mouth ? They wont shut their mouth in acceptance of Allah, they will shut it in acceptance of their Alim.
God knows best.
Peace
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thank u brother ) i agree with u on most of your points ) sorry, we just dont understand each other on this topic ) im just WONDERIN my brother ) be kind, be easy, don be like them crazy people that yellin about hellfire all day ) my brother ) im just searchin for a person who know somethin about fiqh, because i don know much, so he can answer my question, brother ) peace, its all love handshake
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thank u brother ) i agree with u on most of your points ) sorry, we just dont understand each other on this topic ) im just WONDERIN my brother ) be kind, be easy, don be like them crazy people that yellin about hellfire all day ) my brother ) im just searchin for a person who know somethin about fiqh, because i don know much, so he can answer my question, brother ) peace, its all love handshake
Shalom,
I do understand your concern. You are sick and tired of them. In my study of the deen, I have never come across any such personalities that the sectarians would approve if he/she allows anyone to discard hadiths. AT best, you may find one who would not call you kafir but would call you the same thing using a different word )
Anyways, hang around and see if anyone can find you any such giant.
PEACE
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As-Salamu Alaykum! Peace be upon you!
sorry for my bad english first of all
i wanna know sunnis view on "quranits", u know, some fatwas and all that are "quranits" kafirs for them and why, if quranits still agree with SHAHADA? im just wonder because there are A LOT OF opinions in traditional Islam, so im searchin' for that opinion of some alim that quranits are still muslims, even if we dont think some hadiths are not true.
Thank you people
Of course they will say we are Kaffirs since we reject their traditions. The difference between the Koranic Islam and the sectarian Islam is too huge. Its not like the differnces between the sects like Sunni and Shia. Their difference are small. But Koranic Islam and any of these sects is huge difference. Now these differences may not be theological as all these sects are monotheist. But according to the doctrine of these sects, our Islam is unacceptable as they have many issues they consider obligatory such as Qibla and 5 pillars of Islam etc.
The sects are similar since they reflect the political rivalries between the various Meccan dynasties (Umayyids and Abbasids). Their origins are Meccan.
The sects I mean
Sunnis
Shias
Ismaelis
Zaidis
Abadhis
Ahmedis(Qadiyanis)They all have the concept of the Sunnah and they all can be traced to the battle of the Camel between Aisha and Ali.
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Peace peace
ALL Judgment belongs to God (657).
Not All "Quran-Alone" Muslims agree with the Shahada, you cannot bear witness that Muhammed is the messenger of God because that is false witness. (note Shahada=witness with your EYES, can anyone in the 21st century bear witness of a man in the 7th century?
God has clearly given us an example of how to convert/submit (become muslim) in sura 2744
see http//www.quran-islam.org/articles/become_a__muslim_(P1151).htmlIf you're looking for a Quran-alone "ulim/scholar", You can Try looking at the videos of Dr. Ahmad Subhi Mansour,Who went t to AL-AZHAR UNIVERSITY! and was seemingly kicked out after maybe pronouncing his Quran-alone doctrine.
He has a youtube channel, and videos
youtube channel http//www.youtube.com/user/ahlalquran1. - 1/9
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK2bnZl2V0cAhl_Al-Quran_(Quranists) 1/3 - A true Scholar of Islam
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuUBHaKaJeg -
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