Salam, i think i'm gonna be a "Quraniyoon"
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Shalom Aleikhem,
Welcome to Free-Minds welcome
It will be nice of you if you share your findings with us. You can browse through the forum to see our views and opinions. There are articles presenting views of the authors of the articles.
If you want to learn to follow God alone, simply study the Qur'an. Free-minds is the unnecessary part. We can at best indoctrinate you with our understanding..lol. I dont recall God demanding that from you. He gave you a brain, you are to be judged by that. Simply give it your best, and let me assure that He is exceedingly merciful.
Peace
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Greetings and Peace, all group
@ Andantino welcome
Have you read the articles on the main page? They may, ISA, answer many of your questions.
People follow their best understanding of AQ, so there are variances. For instance, the definition of what is modest varies according to time and place. This is by the design of ALLAH, because ALLAH knows what we need.
1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for.
Hadith are contained in AQ. It is the extra-Quranic hadith that are problematic. AQ states that it is complete, fully detailed, explained in detail, protected, and enough for a believer. Why would one wish to take anything else for the Deen--especially when extra-Quranic hadith are specifically warned against?
6114 "Shall I seek other than GOD as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
6115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
6126 And this is the straight path of your Lord. We have fully detailed the revelations to a people who remember.
7185 Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that GOD has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which narrative after this one will they believe?
6836 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
6837 Or do you have a book which you study?
6838 In it, you can find what you wish?456 These are the revelations of GOD, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after GOD and His revelations do they believe?
2951 Is it not enough for them that We have sent down to you the Book that is being recited to them? In that is a mercy and a reminder for people who believe.
2530 And the messenger said "My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an."
May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
Thank you Abdul-Hadi D
Selamat datang Andantino! A fellow Indonesian here too =).
Glad you consider joining the dark side (just kidding, of course! D). By the way, why don't we ditch the labelling? We're not "Qur'aaniyyun", we are muslims ).
On that note, I hope you enjoy your stay here.
Salaam hangat! D
Salamun alaikum saudaraku ;D
akhirnya nemu org indo juga... ane rada ribet nih ngetik pake bahasa inggris.
hope i could learn more about english here O0
Shalom Aleikhem,
Welcome to Free-Minds welcome
It will be nice of you if you share your findings with us. You can browse through the forum to see our views and opinions. There are articles presenting views of the authors of the articles.
If you want to learn to follow God alone, simply study the Qur'an. Free-minds is the unnecessary part. We can at best indoctrinate you with our understanding..lol. I dont recall God demanding that from you. He gave you a brain, you are to be judged by that. Simply give it your best, and let me assure that He is exceedingly merciful. )
Peace
------------ Student of AllahYes, i'd love to share about my "journey" from Sunni to Quranism, but... i'm not declare myself yet as a Quranist, or MUSLIM that follow Quran alone without Hadith. but at the same time, i do agree with most of Quranist views about Hadith (contradiction,etc)
and yes.. this questions in my head like goin to blow my heads up brickwall
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Yes, i'd love to share about my "journey" from Sunni to Quranism, but... i'm not declare myself yet as a Quranist, or MUSLIM that follow Quran alone without Hadith. but at the same time, i do agree with most of Quranist views about Hadith (contradiction,etc)
Salaam Andantino,
Welcome to the forum.
For me these 2 verses were my goodbye to the hadiths.
238 We said "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
239 And those who disbelieve and deny Our ayaats, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide.InshaAllah these 2 ayaats will do the same for you as they did for me pr
Bender -
Salamun alaikum saudaraku ;D
akhirnya nemu org indo juga... ane rada ribet nih ngetik pake bahasa inggris.
hope i could learn more about english here
Salaam Andantino,
SaudarI kali ya, bukan saudarA . Eniwei, di sini sebenarnya banyak juga orang Indo, cuma mereka malu aja buat menampakkan diri haha.
Oh ya, kemarin aku nge-PM kamu =). Dicek yaaa...
Welcome again !
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Salam,
I hope you enjoy.
May Allah increase all our knowlegde and help us become better servants.I wanted to note on the side that the term quranism is not a correct one if I may say because one who follows quran alone should call themselves muslim see
And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you MUSLIMS, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help! 2278
That offcourse counts for the one who submit to Allah. Further I think quranism gives people the impression that we are just another sect wich we are against because that s also being judged in the quran.
peace
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i'm might be a Sunni, but i'm not that strict about Hadith, and i agree with most of Quranist idea about Quran and Hadith, and i'm interested with it. can i learn more about Quranism here? esp about Shalat, Zakat, Hajj/Pilgrimage, and laws in according to Quran? and of course about Hadith )
Salaam Andantino,
welcome to the forum, inshaAllah you will enjoy your stay here.
My reasons to disbelieve in Hadith are the following aayaats plus what brother Bender said.
- We ask Allah for guidance to the straight path in 16 and Allah answered us in 179 ... that AlQuraan guides you to that which is straight.
Hence, no need for hadith to me.
- Allah said in 1689 that AlKitaab that was sent down explains about everything ... ... and nothing is left out of AlKitaab in 638 ... ...
What else I need hadith for if everything is already explained in the Book!
- Allah asked us that don't you ponder in AlQuraan? And if this Book was from anyone other than Allah, we will get maximum contradictions in 482
This shows me clearly that any book on earth other than the Book of Allah will have maximum contradictions, so what I need hadith for?
Finally, the Book of Allah is more than enough for me D
May Allah help you taking right decisions and increase us in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
mmKhan -
Salaam Andantino,
Welcome to the forum.
For me these 2 verses were my goodbye to the hadiths.
238 We said "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
239 And those who disbelieve and deny Our ayaats, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide.InshaAllah these 2 ayaats will do the same for you as they did for me pr
Benderi know, but what do you think about arguments that say "Obey Allah and Obey His Messanger" means we should have faith in Quran and Hadith (Prophet's daily attitude and words and explanation on Quranic verses)
does it means God gave Messangers an authority to make new laws (such as music, drawing,etc) and would be parts of Divine Message?
Salam,
I hope you enjoy.
May Allah increase all our knowlegde and help us become better servants.I wanted to note on the side that the term quranism is not a correct one if I may say because one who follows quran alone should call themselves muslim see
And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you MUSLIMS, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help! 2278
That offcourse counts for the one who submit to Allah. Further I think quranism gives people the impression that we are just another sect wich we are against because that s also being judged in the quran.
peace
umm, for me 'Quranist' is just a TERM to show Muslims view about Islam.
it will be weird if i ask Q like "i want to ask, according to Muslim, how bla bla bla" it will make me like a non-Muslim questioning about Islam to Muslims
Salam Andantino welcome
Inshaa Allah you can increase in your faith of Allah and Quran and become a muslim on Ibrahims path and inshaa Allah this forum will help you not to feel alone in your believe.
Peace!
Salam Ala
thank you for your prayer yay
Salaam Andantino,
welcome to the forum, inshaAllah you will enjoy your stay here.
My reasons to disbelieve in Hadith are the following aayaats plus what brother Bender said.
- We ask Allah for guidance to the straight path in 16 and Allah answered us in 179 ... that AlQuraan guides you to that which is straight.
Hence, no need for hadith to me.
- Allah said in 1689 that AlKitaab that was sent down explains about everything ... ... and nothing is left out of AlKitaab in 638 ... ...
What else I need hadith for if everything is already explained in the Book!
- Allah asked us that don't you ponder in AlQuraan? And if this Book was from anyone other than Allah, we will get maximum contradictions in 482
This shows me clearly that any book on earth other than the Book of Allah will have maximum contradictions, so what I need hadith for?
Finally, the Book of Allah is more than enough for me
May Allah help you taking right decisions and increase us in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
mmKhani think we move to PM lol laugh
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i know, but what do you think about arguments that say "Obey Allah and Obey His Messanger" means we should have faith in Quran and Hadith (Prophet's daily attitude and words and explanation on Quranic verses)
Salaam Andantino,
Please read again the verses. What does FROM ME means? What does MY GUIDANCE means?
Is Bukharie, Muslim etc. ?from ME??
Is hadith ?MY GUIDANCE??Please also reflect on this verse
28 And from the people are those who say "We believe in God and in the Last Day," but they are not believers.Who are these people? Why does it say ?but they are not believers?.
By the way when I say reflect, I don?t mean read what Ibn Kathir wrote. I mean YOU have to reflect.Please reflect first on this then we can discuss what "Obey Allah and Obey His Messenger" means.
Salaam and may Allah increase us in our knowledge and show us the right way pr
Bender -
Salaam Andantino,
Please read again the verses. What does FROM ME means? What does MY GUIDANCE means?
Is Bukharie, Muslim etc. ?from ME??
Is hadith ?MY GUIDANCE??Please also reflect on this verse
28 And from the people are those who say "We believe in God and in the Last Day," but they are not believers.Who are these people? Why does it say ?but they are not believers?.
By the way when I say reflect, I don?t mean read what Ibn Kathir wrote. I mean YOU have to reflect.Please reflect first on this then we can discuss what "Obey Allah and Obey His Messenger" means.
Salaam and may Allah increase us in our knowledge and show us the right way pr
Benderi don't know, and i'm faaar from light (at least i feel so), thats why i'm asking and need an enlightment here.. i kinda like a confuse-man right now u know confused
if you ask me to interpret those verse, FYI i'm lack of knowledge bout arabic..
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i don't know, and i'm faaar from light (at least i feel so), thats why i'm asking and need an enlightment here.. i kinda like a confuse-man right now u know confused
if you ask me to interpret those verse, FYI i'm lack of knowledge bout arabic..
Salaam
I did not ask you to interpret nope I asked you to reflect, that means to me, that I was hoping that you would open The Quran and search for yourself for the answers and reflect on the verses you read.
InshaAllah , I will try to help you a little bit, but keep in mind that this is only how I understand it at this moment. I also advice you to erase everything you learned thus far, clear your mind from every hadith and and other falsehood.
Please just start with chapter 1 and then chapter 2 till you come to 28. read all those verses carefully.
28 And from the people are those who say "We believe in God and in the Last Day," but they are not believers.
Are you and me potential candidates? Think about it. Please note that this verse is not talking about atheists or some other groups. But why are they not believers?The next verses tell you how these people behave, what they say, how they look like and why they are not among the believers. Please read those verses carefully (29-215). I believe that verse 216 sums it up, why they became who they are without even noticing it.
216These are the ones who have purchased straying with guidance their trade did not profit them, nor were they guided.
blue part is referring to my understanding to the people mentioned in 28
red part is the why. They purchased straying with guidance and it was a bad trade.verse 217-20 gives examples how this people are. Before you read those verses (217-20) please read first 37 and 226 and take your own conclusions.
We are now at 221
221 O people, serve your Lord who has created you and those before you that you may be righteous.
Who do we have to serve? please note the blue part, He did not only created you but also those before you. Is Bukharie created or is he your creator?222 gives some more information about your Lord.
222 The One who has made the earth a resting place, and the sky a shelter, and He sent down from the sky water with which He brought out fruits as a gift to you. So do not set up any equals with God while you know.
Did Bukharie do the red part? If you are 100% sure that Bukharie did not THEN please read the blue part very very veeeeeeeeeeeeery carefully. I guess you are one of the ones who know.But if you are still in doubt, please read 223-24
223 And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a sura like this, and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are truthful.
224 And if you cannot do this; and you will not be able to do this; then beware the Fire whose fuel is people and stones, it has been prepared for the rejecters.Please read further the next verses and read the story of Adam carefully, it's not there just to tell a story. It's strongly connected to the previous verses you already read.
While you read take a note at verse 235235 And We said "O Adam, reside you and your mate in the paradise, and eat from it bountifully as you both wish, and do not approach this tree, else you will be of those who have wronged."
please read 236 to know what happened when Adam took some other guidance.
Similar to 235 is said in 238-39
238 We said "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
239 And those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide.I hope you understand now what the red part means. Please note also that Guidance is singular.
Is ?The Quran and hadith? singular?Salaam and may Allah increase us in knowledge and lead us to His Path,
Benderand FYI my Arabic is like that of a toddler or worse.
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yay Welcome )
Thanky you indelwyn )
may Allah bless you always
Salaam
I did not ask you to interpret nope I asked you to reflect, that means to me, that I was hoping that you would open The Quran and search for yourself for the answers and reflect on the verses you read.
InshaAllah , I will try to help you a little bit, but keep in mind that this is only how I understand it at this moment. I also advice you to erase everything you learned thus far, clear your mind from every hadith and and other falsehood.
Please just start with chapter 1 and then chapter 2 till you come to 28. read all those verses carefully.
28 And from the people are those who say "We believe in God and in the Last Day," but they are not believers.
Are you and me potential candidates? Think about it. Please note that this verse is not talking about atheists or some other groups. But why are they not believers?The next verses tell you how these people behave, what they say, how they look like and why they are not among the believers. Please read those verses carefully (29-215). I believe that verse 216 sums it up, why they became who they are without even noticing it.
216These are the ones who have purchased straying with guidance their trade did not profit them, nor were they guided.
blue part is referring to my understanding to the people mentioned in 28
red part is the why. They purchased straying with guidance and it was a bad trade.verse 217-20 gives examples how this people are. Before you read those verses (217-20) please read first 37 and 226 and take your own conclusions.
We are now at 221
221 O people, serve your Lord who has created you and those before you that you may be righteous.
Who do we have to serve? please note the blue part, He did not only created you but also those before you. Is Bukharie created or is he your creator?222 gives some more information about your Lord.
222 The One who has made the earth a resting place, and the sky a shelter, and He sent down from the sky water with which He brought out fruits as a gift to you. So do not set up any equals with God while you know.
Did Bukharie do the red part? If you are 100% sure that Bukharie did not THEN please read the blue part very very veeeeeeeeeeeeery carefully. I guess you are one of the ones who know.But if you are still in doubt, please read 223-24
223 And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a sura like this, and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are truthful.
224 And if you cannot do this; and you will not be able to do this; then beware the Fire whose fuel is people and stones, it has been prepared for the rejecters.Please read further the next verses and read the story of Adam carefully, it's not there just to tell a story. It's strongly connected to the previous verses you already read.
While you read take a note at verse 235235 And We said "O Adam, reside you and your mate in the paradise, and eat from it bountifully as you both wish, and do not approach this tree, else you will be of those who have wronged."
please read 236 to know what happened when Adam took some other guidance.
Similar to 235 is said in 238-39
238 We said "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
239 And those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide.I hope you understand now what the red part means. Please note also that Guidance is singular.
Is ?The Quran and hadith? singular?Salaam and may Allah increase us in knowledge and lead us to His Path,
Benderand FYI my Arabic is like that of a toddler or worse.
i'll read it carefuly, promise )
Peace and welcome Andantino. Looks like you have already made q lots of friends.
Thanks
hello Ervin, yeah seems like that and i love how this community welcoming the new one... so lovely )
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