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15:87-88 سبعا من المثانى

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    what is the most accurate translation of the above verses particularly the words

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      For Urdu readers

      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/Urdu%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/02.%20Explanation%20of%20Surat/01.%20Al%20Fateha/1.%20Meanings%20of%20Misani.gif

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        what is the most accurate translation of the above verses particularly the words

        Salaam Kamking,

        1587 And We have certainly given you, seven of the often repeated and the great Qur'an.

        Please make sure that there is no mention of word aayaats after seven.

        May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
        mmKhan

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          Mazhar
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          Salaam Kamking,

          1587 And We have certainly given you, seven of the often repeated and the great Qur'an.

          Please make sure that there is no mention of word aayaats after seven.

          May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
          mmKhan

          Why is "Tanwin" over the word "seven"?

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            MaverickMonotheist
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            Peace mmKhan, everyone,

            So, any thoughts on what the seven of the oft-repeated are?

            -Joel

            Salaam Kamking,

            1587 And We have certainly given you, seven of the often repeated and the great Qur'an.

            Please make sure that there is no mention of word aayaats after seven.

            May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
            mmKhan

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              Mazhar
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              Peace mmKhan, everyone,

              So, any thoughts on what the seven of the oft-repeated are?

              -Joel

              In Arabic the word used does not denote digit "seven". This word denotes and points to seven feminine objects. Moreover, after it preposition Min does not belong to it but to the elided word associated and understood with feminine seven. The word which is translated above as "the oft-repeated " is also feminine plural.

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                mmkhan
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                Why is "Tanwin" over the word "seven"?

                I did not understand why you asked that? What difference does that make? Please clarify.

                mmKhan

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                  Peace mmKhan, everyone,

                  So, any thoughts on what the seven of the oft-repeated are?

                  -Joel

                  Salaam Joel,

                  nope No idea what they are, it that was referring to aayaats then surely Allah would have said so. Besides that Sura AlFatiha is surely a part of AlQuraan hence it is said Chapter # 1

                  May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
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                    In Arabic the word used does not denote digit "seven". This word denotes and points to seven feminine objects. Moreover, after it preposition Min does not belong to it but to the elided word associated and understood with feminine seven. The word which is translated above as "the oft-repeated " is also feminine plural.

                    How do you understand the following brother?

                    7810
                    7810 And We made the night as a covering?

                    7811
                    7811 And We made the day to work in?

                    7812
                    7812 And We constructed above you seven mighty ones?

                    7813
                    7813 And We made a blazing lamp?

                    Sab-an used is 7812 is same as in 1587.

                    May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
                    mmKhan

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                      Why is "Tanwin" over the word "seven"?

                      I did not understand why you asked that? What difference does that make? Please clarify.

                      mmKhan

                      It indicates that the possessive noun of the possessive phrase is elided, which is feminine in gender. Otherwise, as object of verb it will be and NOT . Same is the case in 7812 . Read it with 2317, the elided noun will become known.

                      And indeed in the past We had made at place above you seven tracts

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                        Why is "Tanwin" over the word "seven"?

                        It indicates that the possessive noun of the possessive phrase is elided, which is feminine in gender. Otherwise, as object of verb it will be and NOT . Same is the case in 7812 . Read it with 2317, the elided noun will become known.

                        And indeed in the past We had made at place above you seven tracts

                        I got more confused now, please tell me if it is feminine in gender what will happen? Will it refer to only aayaats? Not anything else?

                        And 7812 also used the same feminine form then how can you relate it with 2317 where it is used masculine?

                        I did not understand your exact point of view on being feminine.

                        May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
                        mmKhan

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                          Why is "Tanwin" over the word "seven"?

                          It indicates that the possessive noun of the possessive phrase is elided, which is feminine in gender. Otherwise, as object of verb it will be and NOT . Same is the case in 7812 . Read it with 2317, the elided noun will become known.

                          And indeed in the past We had made at place above you seven tracts

                          Salam,

                          Where did you learn Arabic Mazhar ?

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                            I got more confused now, please tell me if it is feminine in gender what will happen? Will it refer to only aayaats? Not anything else?

                            And 7812 also used the same feminine form then how can you relate it with 2317 where it is used masculine?

                            I did not understand your exact point of view on being feminine.

                            May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
                            mmKhan

                            In Arabic, every noun and pronoun is either masculine or feminine. The words denoting the quantity of objects are also nouns and are either masculine or feminine since these are ascribed to objects.

                            • is for feminine objects. When it describes masculine, men or objects it is -- depending upon their role in the sentence.

                            Grand Qur'aan is masculine, its Aayaat and Surat have feminine gender. Ignoring the gender of words will distort the thought conveyed in the Arabic text, while translating.

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                              Mazhar
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                              Salam,

                              Where did you learn Arabic Mazhar ?

                              From Grand Qur'aan and by consulting books on grammar, syntax and morphology. Arabic of Qur'aan is made simple and easy, if one intends to learn it. Many are under delusion that they can understand Qur'aan merely by knowing and selecting one meanings given in Arabic-English dictionaries.

                              The Arabic text of Qur'aan comprises only three types of words, parts of Arabic speech and writing. Particles Nouns and Verbs. You can recognize all the nouns of Qur'aan merely by sight. And similarly majority of the verbs can be recognized merely by watching with eyes. This is the first lesson to recognize visually the words of Qur'aan before moving further in studies.

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                                So you did not learn Arabic in any institution (college, school, specialized institute...) ? You learnt only by self study of the Qur'?n and consulting arabic grammars buy yourself ? ( self taught-person)

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                                  Peace Mazhar,

                                  I just sent you an MP.

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                                    kamking
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                                    Mazhar , mmkhan ,Kamzo19 i appreciate your efforts , am thankful to you for being supportive .

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                                      kamking
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                                      I asked another question no one as yet replied that

                                      what does Almuhaid means in 2222 , why it is different from Haid ( menstruation ), if Haid means menstruation then what is Al Muhaid , so what is the accurate translation of 2222 .

                                      Al in arabic means THE , i guess if am not wrong .

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                                        • is for feminine objects. When it describes masculine, men or objects it is -- depending upon their role in the sentence.

                                        Grand Qur'aan is masculine, its Aayaat and Surat have feminine gender. Ignoring the gender of words will distort the thought conveyed in the Arabic text, while translating.

                                        Can you please get me some aayaats to support your claim, I understood otherwise.

                                        My question still remains, even if is feminine, is it referring to aayaats in 1587? Please answer, as this was the original question of this thread.

                                        May Allah increase us in knowledge pr
                                        mmKhan

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          Can you please get me some aayaats to support your claim, I understood otherwise.

                                          My question still remains, even if is feminine, is it referring to aayaats in 1587? Please answer, as this was the original question of this thread.

                                          May Allah increase us in knowledge pr
                                          mmKhan

                                          Yes, it is referring to

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