Who influenced the uprising of Koranism ?
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- Mansour or Rashad
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Wahhabism
I think I understand your reply.
But who was, let's say, the founding father of Quranism in the 21st century, who influenced more people to become strict monotheist - Is it Rashad or Mansour?
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Without doubt, Rashad Khalifa, for at least two reasons
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Rashad's book, Quran, Hadith, and Islam is a land mark book in history of Islam. Future generations will consider it as the most influential book that demolished hadith/sunna and its derivative the sectarian teachings or idols with a mortal blow. There were Quranist movements here or there, throughout history. But, since the ummah fell prey to the distortion of Shafii within a few centuries after Hijra, we lost the true meaning of many verses of the Quran. The idea of Naskh-mansuk or illiteracy of the prophet Muhammad, and many other dogmas were rarely questioned and even if questioned were not presented with their full power. That book was the first one that refuted the authority of hadith and sunna without any compromise. Dealt with major distortions done throughout the centuries and provided Quranic context how to understand "obey God and his messenger."
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Through Divine inspiration he discovered the great secret of the Quran, thereby destroying the biggest philosophical stumbling block in front of those who wanted to adhere to the Quran alone. In the past, the followers of hearsay books and fabricated sharia would challenge the Quranist "If we lose our trust to Sahaba, Tabiin and those who followed them, how then can we trust to the authenticity of the Quran?" This is indeed a powerful epistemological counter-argument and none could respond to such a challenge without the discovery of the secret of the number 19 mentioned in chapter 74 in 1974, exactly 19x74 lunar years after the revelation of the Quran by a monotheist scientist who was not only knowledgeable about the Quran, but also very honest and brave, a messenger of God to our generation. With the revelation of the Quranic code, God proved that the Quran is indeed His book, that indeed it is preserved perfectly, not by people, but by God Himself. Besides, the discovery shed light over the multiple meaning of the many verses of the Quran, such as the letters/digits initializing 29 chapters of the Quran, which was destined for the Computer generation to appreciate. We are now living a new era in which the progressive ones are sorted from the regressive ones (7437).
Peace
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I recommend reading
http//www.scribd.com/imuslimi/d/52181511-The-Muslim-opposition-to-the-writing-of-hadith-in-early-Islam-by-Michael-Cook
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm
There are various people throughout history.
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Wakkas, is Michael Cook's book available at Amazon.com? I checked his name but couldn't find a book with such a title.
This one is from Asiha Musa
http//www.amazon.com/Hadith-Scripture-Discussions-Authority-Traditions/dp/0230605354/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330141769&sr=1-1-spell
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I think this movement of ours taking off is because of modern communication technologies more than any single person. Since so many of us seem to reach the same conclusions independently (with the guidance of God, no doubt), the only thing that's new is our ability to find each other and share ideas, which must have been nearly impossible in the not so distant past.
In the past, the followers of hearsay books and fabricated sharia would challenge the Quranist "If we lose our trust to Sahaba, Tabiin and those who followed them, how then can we trust to the authenticity of the Quran?
They still ask this question, and the honest answer I usually give is "because God says so, and because the Book is just that good". Them asking the question in the first place clearly betray their disbelief in the words of God and their inability to comprehend them.
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I think this movement of ours taking off is because of modern communication technologies more than any single person. Since so many of us seem to reach the same conclusions independently (with the guidance of God, no doubt), the only thing that's new is our ability to find each other and share ideas, which must have been nearly impossible in the not so distant past.
Great answer, I never knew Rashad or Mansour or let alone read their materials, up until now.
I came into the conclusion that Hadiths is a bunch of BS, after long time of pondering and introspection.
And the hammer which drive down last nail in the coffin was when I'm pondering about 'the Shahada', and the great flaws that it carries.If I want to credit someone then it will be God..
Or if it need to be human then the credits goes to Sunniism / Wahhabism, because their ridiculous dogmatic thoughts has influenced me to react against it. This is similar with crediting "The Fascist" for the rise of "Anti-Fascism".
Salam / Peace
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Without doubt, Rashad Khalifa, for at least two reasons
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Rashad's book, Quran, Hadith, and Islam is a land mark book in history of Islam. Future generations will consider it as the most influential book that demolished hadith/sunna and its derivative the sectarian teachings or idols with a mortal blow. There were Quranist movements here or there, throughout history. But, since the ummah fell prey to the distortion of Shafii within a few centuries after Hijra, we lost the true meaning of many verses of the Quran. The idea of Naskh-mansuk or illiteracy of the prophet Muhammad, and many other dogmas were rarely questioned and even if questioned were not presented with their full power. That book was the first one that refuted the authority of hadith and sunna without any compromise. Dealt with major distortions done throughout the centuries and provided Quranic context how to understand "obey God and his messenger."
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Through Divine inspiration he discovered the great secret of the Quran, thereby destroying the biggest philosophical stumbling block in front of those who wanted to adhere to the Quran alone. In the past, the followers of hearsay books and fabricated sharia would challenge the Quranist "If we lose our trust to Sahaba, Tabiin and those who followed them, how then can we trust to the authenticity of the Quran?" This is indeed a powerful epistemological counter-argument and none could respond to such a challenge without the discovery of the secret of the number 19 mentioned in chapter 74 in 1974, exactly 19x74 lunar years after the revelation of the Quran by a monotheist scientist who was not only knowledgeable about the Quran, but also very honest and brave, a messenger of God to our generation. With the revelation of the Quranic code, God proved that the Quran is indeed His book, that indeed it is preserved perfectly, not by people, but by God Himself. Besides, the discovery shed light over the multiple meaning of the many verses of the Quran, such as the letters/digits initializing 29 chapters of the Quran, which was destined for the Computer generation to appreciate. We are now living a new era in which the progressive ones are sorted from the regressive ones (7437).
Peace
I understand your view but you were among the early pioneers of the 20th century movement. However most people now entered the movement (if we can call it as such) through the internet. I have never read Rashad's book and never heard of him except through Ahmed Deedat who once refered to him as the discoverer of the 19 code. I was never a Koranist then and was very much a Sunni. But 9-11 and the subsequent debate about Islam in the net changed many things for me as I became to be exposed to many elements of Sunni Islam that the clerics were hiding. Also the net helped me search the Koran easier and was able to compare what the Koran was saying and what Sunni islam was teaching. Also the various works of many writers and historians became available. I was influenced by Joseph Schacht's analysis greatly as I became to see his logic, especially about isnads and the role Shafi played in making hadith a revelation.
I think the inetrnet alone could have done it (in time) as it made information readily available that the clerics would hide, however I think the rise of wahhabism has made many elements of Sunni Islam far more exposed to the public. The end of the Sufi era would go down in history as the beginning of the Sunni/Shia downfall.
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