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What do they recognize? Concept of God, Qur'an or the Messenger??

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    Student_of_Allah
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    Shalom aleikhem,

    SLM,
    "Dear" "student".

    CouldWould you, "help" me !

    I am lost ...

    Inshallah, I will try my best to help.

    Who are those "translaters" ?
    From which p?riods of "Times" ?
    And why, is it, so difficult to "Translate" ? message "given" in ? "clear" "language' ?

    I cant "understand", all those "differen?es" !

    1. These translators are simple people like you and me. They know both english and arabic. So they tried their best to translate the arabic Qur'an to English.

    2. Many people have tried to translate Qur'an before and still are trying. You can read about them in the following article
      http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_translations

    3. Translating something given in clear language ? Because you always have choice of words. So the reader/translator always has to make sure that it makes sense.

    What's about 619 ...
    Is it, from th? "Quran" ?
    I dont understand .. Why, its writen ... This "Quran" !

    Why, this and not the !?

    Yes, it is from Qur'an. If I want to talk about "this" forum post... is it not ok if I say "this post contains answers to jaimesss's questions ? The same way, in that verse... it states that "THIS QURAN".

    And why in this "verse" or maybe in all th? "quran" (cause i am ? "beginner...)
    Its writen; "say" ... ??

    Who said, "say" ???

    And Why ????

    Qur'an claims to be a revelation by God. It further claims that God uses messengers to convey his message. With this in mind, read the following

    2189 They ask you regarding the crescent moons, say "They are a timing mechanism for the people and the Pilgrimage." And piety is not that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whoever is righteous and comes to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of God that you may succeed.

    2215 They ask you what they should spend, say "What you spend out of goodness should go to your family and the relatives and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer. And any good you do, God is fully aware of it."

    2217 They ask you about the restricted month "Is there fighting in it?" Say "Much fighting is in it, and to repel from the path of God and to disbelieve in it, and the Restricted Temple, to drive its inhabitants out from it is far greater with God, and persecution is worse than being killed." And they still will fight you until they turn you back from your system if they are able. And whoever of you turns back from his system, and he dies while disbelieving, then these have nullified their works in this world and the next; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide!

    2219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say "In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit." And they ask you how much they are to give, say "The excess." It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.

    2220 In this world and the next; and they ask you regarding the orphans, say "To fix their situation is best, and if you are to care for them, then they are your brothers." And God knows the corrupt from the good, and if God had wished He could have made things difficult. God is Noble, Wise.

    2222 And they ask you about the menstruations? Say "It is harmful, so retire yourselves sexually from the women during the menstruations, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. When they are cleansed, then you may approach them as God has commanded you." God loves the repenters and He loves the cleansed.

    There are many more such examples. So now... you see that people ask many questions and God answers them through this message. Here is another verse where you can confirm this understanding

    5101 O you who believe, do not ask about things which, if revealed to you, would harm you; and if you ask about them after the Qur'an has been sent down, then they will become clear to you. God pardons for them, and God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

    So,

    Qur'an is revelation from God. Through a messenger.

    -When it addresses "THEY" , it is addressing people , and the kind of people depends on what is stated there in the verse.

    -When it says "SAY", it instructed the messenger to SAY the following things. The revelation was not offline, that is to say that it was at times "on the go". Because the messenger is just a messenger, he may not be able to answer your questions. So God inspired him in such situations. This is guidance for us, as we must strive to follow these examples of conversations.

    And about who said SAY.... hmmm. When the revelation claims to be from God.....it is God that is asking to SAY.

    You know what ? I had this problem when I started reading Qur'an. I pictured myself as the messenger, and whatever I read from Qur'an, I pretended as if God is inspiring me in my head. Amazingly...it made sense to me after that ...lol. For example, a group of people who accepted me as messenger comes to me asking if its ok to drink water ? Then God inspires in my head

    " They ask you regarding water, Say Drink water , but do not drink if its filled with dirt."

    I hope if not all clear, atleast some of it is clear to you now.

    Study and keep on trying, inshallah you will succeed.

    PEACE
    ------------- Student of Allah

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      Samia
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      BTW, what is the use of knowing Muhammed as we know our sons? If we know AlKitaab as we know our sons, that will be really help to save us on each and every step we take in our life.

      bravo

      Exactly!

      His people "qawm" knew him very well. Did it help at all?

      And the messenger will say O my Lord! Lo! my own folk immobilized this Qur'an.

      His uncles did know him as "they knew their sons", still they refused to believe in the message he is delivering!!

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        Samia
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        Salam Sister,

        The words are not interchangeable. Rasul does not mean message. Both are distinct.

        (6 (69)

        Why not? Actually the first verse speaks of "qawl speech".
        So it fits for a message better than it does for a person.
        As I said the word rasool" originally means message. It lends its name to its carrier, so when the quraan speaks of the messenger" it alludes to him with the message and for the message, not specifically as an independent person. He is the "speaking" message .

        And as for the second verse (2369)

        How can they know (as knowing a person first hand) both messengers (as persons)?

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          mmkhan
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          bravo

          Exactly!

          His people "qawm" knew him very well. Did it help at all?

          And the messenger will say O my Lord! Lo! my own folk immobilized this Qur'an.

          His uncles did know him as "they knew their sons", still they refused to believe in the message he is delivering!!

          Salaam Samia,

          True! 100% handshake

          May Allah bless you and guide us to His true path pr
          mmKhan

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