From the Netherlands
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Hello Everybody! Sallaam Aleykum,
I'm new here. I search people who live in the Netherlands, who could help me with my questions in my own language Dutch.
I will be verry verry thankfull for the help! May God reward you! yay
Greetings!
Salaam,
Welcome to the forum. Your English sounds very good to me, anyhow I'm from Holland
I don't know if I can help with the questions, but inshaAllah I will try to do my best on the things were I have some/little knowledge.
Ikrame and Abelilah also speak dutch, but Abdelilah is not so much active I believe.Salaam,
Bender -
Salaam,
I dont live in Holland but i do speak Dutch (grew up in Holland)
So feel free to ask anything and hopefully i can give you answers otherwise one of the other dutch memebers would be able to help youSalaam
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Hello Everyone,
WOW. So a quick answer! My english is not bad but basic. But thanks for the compliment! The reason I am looking for someone in my own language is because I can express my feelings better and everything goes faster. Because I am desperate for answers!!!
The past few days have been quite dramatic for me. I am now almost 10 years, converted to Islam, which 10 years with an increased dissatisfaction to the hadith. I felt like a hypocrite that when i do the shahada 5 times a day I say Mohammed Rasoellah. How can that happen?
I am with ups and downs through faith. From a niqab, to veil, to now nothing. From guilt to arrogance. And to make matters worse now I'm sitting here for months without having prayed. I read an angry, evil prophet and God in the hadith. Nothing else, not love.
To make matters 'worse' i have learn some great Christian people. Nothing wrong with that, great people, super sweet. Their community is what i think it must be like. Peaceful! I can not find that in Islam, not with the hadith. Two days ago I thought, I must leave the Islam. I must convert to Christianity. But what stops me is the 3 unit! I can not accept that! Then convert to jew? No, because that's not my vision! I believe in Jesus! They are not believers of Jezus (the most jews).
Then I thought. It would be really absurd that i because of work by people (hadith) that contradict the Quran, I would convert to Christianity. What are I doing?
Muslims (I prefer to say believers in 1 God and the Day of Judgement) who reject hadith are very difficult to find. It seems like they're afraid to be killed and sitting under a stone, haha. The mainstream muslims i know, would say to me that i become a Kafir. That makes me so sad.
So now. I am desperate. I lost myself and feel cheated by God. May God forgive me for these words! I believe so much in God, but I can not find the truth. In my heart, Islam is the truth, but not the hadith, all so-called scholars and name it. I believe in love, sacrifice, but also in mercy!
So any help is welcome. May God bless you! sun
Greetings from a critical faithful!
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Hello Everyone,
WOW. So a quick answer! My english is not bad but basic. But thanks for the compliment! The reason I am looking for someone in my own language is because I can express my feelings better and everything goes faster. Because I am desperate for answers!!!
The past few days have been quite dramatic for me. I am now almost 10 years, converted to Islam, which 10 years with an increased dissatisfaction to the hadith. I felt like a hypocrite that when i do the shahada 5 times a day I say Mohammed Rasoellah. How can that happen?
I am with ups and downs through faith. From a niqab, to veil, to now nothing. From guilt to arrogance. And to make matters worse now I'm sitting here for months without having prayed. I read an angry, evil prophet and God in the hadith. Nothing else, not love.
To make matters 'worse' i have learn some great Christian people. Nothing wrong with that, great people, super sweet. Their community is what i think it must be like. Peaceful! I can not find that in Islam, not with the hadith. Two days ago I thought, I must leave the Islam. I must convert to Christianity. But what stops me is the 3 unit! I can not accept that! Then convert to jew? No, because that's not my vision! I believe in Jesus! They are not believers of Jezus (the most jews).
Then I thought. It would be really absurd that i because of work by people (hadith) that contradict the Quran, I would convert to Christianity. What are I doing?
Muslims (I prefer to say believers in 1 God and the Day of Judgement) who reject hadith are very difficult to find. It seems like they're afraid to be killed and sitting under a stone, haha. The mainstream muslims i know, would say to me that i become a Kafir. That makes me so sad.
So now. I am desperate. I lost myself and feel cheated by God. May God forgive me for these words! I believe so much in God, but I can not find the truth. In my heart, Islam is the truth, but not the hadith, all so-called scholars and name it. I believe in love, sacrifice, but also in mercy!
So any help is welcome. May God bless you! sun
Greetings from a critical faithful!
Salaam,
We all have our moments when we doubt God not because we look at the Quran but mainly because we look at the hadiths. I assume that you are a sister, first of all you have to know that the Sahih Hadith are not Sahih(right guided) Because these hadiths came not in the time of the Prophet, no not at all they came years after the prophet. (by years i mean centuries 200/300 years)
These so called Authentic hadiths are not from God neither are they the real sayings of Mohammed. 3/4 of these hadiths go against the teachings of Mohammad and especialy against the Quran.
By completly following blindly that these hadiths are true your actaully going against Islam, 2 bad not all the Muslims view it like this.
The real history of hadiths is that they are made by men(Crazy Warlords) to fit their living at that time and so they can control the community, they never knew that these practices would live on for 1200 years. Most of the hadiths go against every teaching we know of the Quran. And these so called "Muslims" that call you a kaffir are commiting a big sin, who judges you? Them or GOD? We have no right to call someone a Kaffir aslong as they say God is one and Mohammad is the Messenger.
And you say the Christian community is really peacefull I agree with you on that, but dont believe everything they tell you, research their scriptures and see how God is displayed there (allowing rape, incest, free killing, terrorism and genocides) The Hadiths are the same Man Made by warlords.
Look at the Quran, the word of GOD the word that shows how peacefull Islam actaully is. God says in the Quran I have completed your relegion, Meaning any uneccessary rule is just a pile of BS which go against the Quran and the most importantly against GOD.
You said niqab, i just want to tell you this is just a cultural practice its not mentioned to wear a niqab in the Quran, a Human is telling you this Not God.
And dont worry about the words you say God will forgive you, Remember Allah is the MOST Merciful the Most Gracious. God loves a critical mind he tells us this in the quran to challange the Quran, meaning feel free to think critical.
Dont worry you are not alone, these warlords hadiths have messed with our minds for centuries and the quran challanges us to think critical that is the right path.
I allways tell people if you really want evidence outside the Quran for who Mohammad really was look at a document which is writen when he was alive and not one which came centuries later.
"Constitution of Medina" for example( Rule number 1 freedom of Relegion)
This constitution goes against nearlly every Hadith we know lol why dont we take this as a example instead of the hadiths?
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_MedinaFeel free to ask any qeustions, (Ik geef je desnoods een antwoord in Nederlands als het moet) "Ill give you the answers in dutch if that is necessary.
Salaam
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Salaam,
We all have our moments when we doubt God not because we look at the Quran but mainly because we look at the hadiths. I assume that you are a sister, first of all you have to know that the Sahih Hadith are not Sahih(right guided) Because these hadiths came not in the time of the Prophet, no not at all they came years after the prophet. (by years i mean centuries 200/300 years)
These so called Authentic hadiths are not from God neither are they the real sayings of Mohammed. 3/4 of these hadiths go against the teachings of Mohammad and especialy against the Quran.
By completly following blindly that these hadiths are true your actaully going against Islam, 2 bad not all the Muslims view it like this.
The real history of hadiths is that they are made by men(Crazy Warlords) to fit their living at that time and so they can control the community, they never knew that these practices would live on for 1200 years. Most of the hadiths go against every teaching we know of the Quran. And these so called "Muslims" that call you a kaffir are commiting a big sin, who judges you? Them or GOD? We have no right to call someone a Kaffir aslong as they say God is one and Mohammad is the Messenger.
And you say the Christian community is really peacefull I agree with you on that, but dont believe everything they tell you, research their scriptures and see how God is displayed there (allowing rape, incest, free killing, terrorism and genocides) The Hadiths are the same Man Made by warlords.
Look at the Quran, the word of GOD the word that shows how peacefull Islam actaully is. God says in the Quran I have completed your relegion, Meaning any uneccessary rule is just a pile of BS which go against the Quran and the most importantly against GOD.
You said niqab, i just want to tell you this is just a cultural practice its not mentioned to wear a niqab in the Quran, a Human is telling you this Not God.
And dont worry about the words you say God will forgive you, Remember Allah is the MOST Merciful the Most Gracious. God loves a critical mind he tells us this in the quran to challange the Quran, meaning feel free to think critical.
Dont worry you are not alone, these warlords hadiths have messed with our minds for centuries and the quran challanges us to think critical that is the right path.
I allways tell people if you really want evidence outside the Quran for who Mohammad really was look at a document which is writen when he was alive and not one which came centuries later.
"Constitution of Medina" for example( Rule number 1 freedom of Relegion)
This constitution goes against nearlly every Hadith we know lol why dont we take this as a example instead of the hadiths?
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_MedinaFeel free to ask any qeustions, (Ik geef je desnoods een antwoord in Nederlands als het moet) "Ill give you the answers in dutch if that is necessary.
Salaam
Sallaam Aleykum Greatest- Truth,
Ik geef je wel een antwoord in het Nederlands. Im so sorry for the rest of the people over here. I will try to talk the next time English!
Het domme is nog, alles wat je verteld weet ik. Het is fijn het nu te horen van een ander. Ik kan met moslims hier niet over praten. Waar ik woon is het niet geaccepteerd (waar eigenlijk wel). Daarnaast ben ik niet echt bevriend met moslims omdat ik slechte ervaringen heb. Oordelen, oordelen, roddelen, die is beter dan die, dat is haram, dat is halal, afgerekend worden erop. Ze bemoeien zich ongevraagd met elk aspect van je leven. Ik heb sinds twee jaar de deur dus eigenlijk gesloten voor veel moslims. Ik heb er gewoonweg niks mee. Dit terwijl ik juist bij hun het gevoel met hebben als 'thuiskomen'.
Ik doe al jaren onderzoek naar de bijbelse en Koran geschiedenis. Het probleem is angst, en een; wat als ik toch verkeerd zit. Angst voor het onbekende. Al 10 jaar wordt je van alles geleerd wat niet het juiste was. Je voelt het ergens wel dat er iets niet klopt, maar toch.
Toen ik er onderzoek naar ging doen werd het allemaal duidelijk. De afgelopen paar dagen ben ik met een andere blik ernaar gaan kijken, een blik van het is nu of nooit. Ik kan zo niet meer verder. Ik bid niet meer, wat doe ik eigenlijk nog wel? Ja wij eten geen varken, maar dat is niet zo moeilijk want dat heb ik nooit gelust en halal geslacht eten koop ik omdat mijn man en kind er ook van eten. Ik ben het contact compleet kwijt geraakt. Ik ben een vrouw idd, 24 jaar, Nederlands. Opgevoed ongelovig en in de vroege puberteit bekeerd tot Islam.
Hoe zijn jullie hier gekomen? Staan er in een bepaald topic jullie/ jou verhaal? Gelukkig heb ik een man die met mij mee denkt, die kritisch is. Hij volgt een wetenschappelijke studie dus hij heeft zoiezo al een andere kijk op zaken. Stukken kritischer en de puzzel moet precies kloppen. Ik heb dus geen partner problemen hiermee. Echter ben ik degene die het voortouw heb genomen. Het blijft de waarheid dat mijn man is geboren moslim en neemt het toch wel wat over van wat hem geleerd is. Hij zit dus nog veel langer in dit vastgeroeste denkkader van de hadith dan ik.
Zijn er wel hadiths die uit de tijd van de profeet Mohammed komen? Ik weet niet beter dan dat de eerste hadith plus minus 250 jaar naar overlijden van de Profeet Mohammed zijn opgesteld. En veel zelfs 800 jaar later!
Zijn er verenigingen of moskeeen in Nederland waar 'wij' welkom zijn? En mijn meest belangrijke vraag, moet ik opnieuw een shahada afleggen? Is dat een pro of een het mag als je dat zelf prettiger vindt? Elke andere nuttige tip? Graag!
Erg bedankt voor iedereen zijn antwoord en bijdrage aan dit forum!
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Ja mijn verhaal is te vinden in de introduce yourself forum )
Maar uiteindlijk moeten we het heel simpel bekijken, ik bedoel als ik jou iets vertel and jij vertelt het door aan je zoon en jou zoon vertelt het aan zijn vriend en die vertelt het aan zijn zoon en dan iemand plaatst nog bepaalde dingen in de verhaal en dan iemand komt uit het niets en zegt weet je wat dit is wat Greatest-truth heeft gezegd paar honderd jaar later is beetje moelijk te geloven....
Maar laat ik het simpel zeggen wat boeit het wat anderen denken over jou? Ik bedoel geloof is in principe tussen jou en God en niet tussen jou en paar anderen die hetzelfde geloven. Alles is al simpel uitgelegd in de Koran voor ons, elke regel dat je kan vinden in Hadiths dat zegt dit is Haram(verboden) is compleet tegen God, als God een regel wou toepassen dan had Hij dit in de koran aan ons vermeld niet aan paar mensen die niet eens Profeten zijn.
Jij hebt tenminste je man die nog kritisch kijkt naar de Hadiths, het is heel belangerijk om bepaalde hadiths te vergelijken met de Koran. The Quran has all the answers you just have to figure out the questions. Ik zelf had zoveel twijfel over Islam in de begin omdat ik het niet compleet begreep and Christendom trok me heel erg aan, ik zelf ben ook in jou position geweest. Maar na lang onderzoek in christianity kwam ik achter dat de Bijbel ook een vorm van hadith is, dus ik stoote mezelf weer terug naar Islam.
Elke keer als ik hadiths zag werd Islam duister voor mij, maar waneer ik kijk naar de Koran de licht word weer clear voor mij. Het is heel simpel, Gods word is de waarheid de rest is gewoon toepassing zodat deze warlords hun gemeenschap kunnen leiden net als blinde schapen.
Het is heel moelijk om te bepalen welke hadiths echt, ik zelf geloof dat 94% gewoon vals zijn, de 6% zijn gewoon kwa bidden en simple dingen wat de profeet heeft gedaan, niet regels of iets dat tegen de koran gaat, de leven van de profeet is gebaseerd op de koran niet hadiths.
Als je bvb 1 hadith hebt en je wilt weten of dit echt is moet je goed bestuderen van waar dit komt wie heeft het overgebracht, hoe vaak kan ik dit vinden, is deze hadith geacepteerd in andere sectes van Islam?(Shia & Sunni). En de meest belangerijkste is mag het wel volgens de Koran? Als het niet mag volgens de Koran dan kan je gewoon zeker van zijn dat dit vals is.
En of er veel mensen net als ons zijn in NL weet ik niet zo zeker, of er bijeenkomsten zijn weet ik ook niet. Ik woon al 4 jaar in London dus ik ben niet zo zeker, er is een forum section called Events. Mischien dat je daar iets kan vinden.
Sorry for the Dutch, i sincerly appolagize.
Salaam
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en btw i denk nie echt dat je opnieuw een Shadah moet afleggen, the Shadah is meer een connection tussen jou en God, zolang jij bleef geloven dat Islam echt is hoeft het niet echt. God weet alles wat in ons hart is, wees niet bang twijfel is heel normaal, God verwacht van ons dat we twijfels hebben maar daarom hebben we the Quran. Als jij vind dat jij opnieuw de Shadah moet afleggen dan is het helemaal geen probleem God houd van mensen die hem herinneren, en altijd connected met God willen zijn. Als jij het prettiger vind dan moet je het gewoon doen, Ik denk niet dat God het fout zou vinden.
salaam
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Shalom aleikhem,
Welcome to Free-minds welcome
Dont get emotional over it, your relationship with God should not be so weak that people's fabrications makes you feel the way you are saying you do. You should be atleast proud of what you know, you love God, you asked for His help, He help you escape the mental slavery of man made systems. Even in the hadith following crowd, there are sincere people that are looking for the straight path of God, it is our duty to share our findings wisely and politely. Let us stay united.
Peace
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Sallaam Aleykum,
Thanks greatest truth for your answer! And also thanks to student of Allah for youre understanding words!
I have send Bender en Abdillah some PM, but i can not see them in mijn SENT message. I dont know if the PM gets to you guys!? Lets hope so!
Thanks everybody!
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Sallaam Aleykum,
Thanks greatest truth for your answer! And also thanks to student of Allah for youre understanding words!
I have send Bender en Abdillah some PM, but i can not see them in mijn SENT message. I dont know if the PM gets to you guys!? Lets hope so!
Thanks everybody! )
Shalom aleikhem,
When you send a PM, you will notice at the botom there is a field "save a copy of this message". If you check that, a copy will be saved in your outbox.
I hope that helps.
PEACE
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Muslims (I prefer to say believers in 1 God and the Day of Judgement) who reject hadith are very difficult to find. It seems like they're afraid to be killed and sitting under a stone, haha. The mainstream muslims i know, would say to me that i become a Kafir. That makes me so sad.
So now. I am desperate. I lost myself and feel cheated by God. May God forgive me for these words! I believe so much in God, but I can not find the truth. In my heart, Islam is the truth, but not the hadith, all so-called scholars and name it. I believe in love, sacrifice, but also in mercy!Salaam sister
I am not dutch but Swedish, so atleast we got tall people in common.....Reading your post makes me both sad and happy. Happy because one more have "woken up" and realized that God is all about love, fairness, mercy and balance. It is very difficult to see how one would need hadith in order to follow those simple messages. Sad because you are not right now content with God, which unfortunately will be the case for the rest of your life if you choose to walk the path by following the Quran. It is a paradox because the message is simple but very complicated to understand, but like they say, sometimes the simple solution is the one most difficult to find.....I think none will ever fully understand all of the guidance, it is a struggle that will continue until we depart from this earth. I have many times myself almost given up because once I think I know the answer it turns out I was completely wrong......It is funny you mention christianity as an option because I have on few occassions thought that their path seems so much simpler and they have alot more "freedom" than the muslim, I have gotten jealous confused
Anyways, the reason why I am writing is to give you a hint about this kafir situation you got with the mainstream muslims. To understand why they are so fast at calling you a kafir you must first look at how you come across, and the fact is that as a follower of Quran Alone you remind them of kafirs. By that I mean they cannot see the difference between you and a born-muslim-but-not-such-a-strong-believer-in-God person. As a QA you look like one, act like one, smell like one Little do they know how much you believe in God, this they cannot see.
Think about it, I don't want you to be sad being called a kafir.I only know of one other dutch person here, his name is Sunnah-Hero........but I wouldnt recommend talking to him, not yet atleast, maybe in a few years.....inshallah
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Salaam,
You are welcome to the forum.
Don't you feel that you are alone, we all are here with you group and don't forget, Allah is with you all the time and wherever you go, so you are not at all alone
May Allah bless you and guide us to His true path pr
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No problem Ammehoela
Feel free to ask anything I will answer it as soon as possible )
Dont forget you are not aloneSalaam
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Salaam sister
I am not dutch but Swedish, so atleast we got tall people in common.....Reading your post makes me both sad and happy. Happy because one more have "woken up" and realized that God is all about love, fairness, mercy and balance. It is very difficult to see how one would need hadith in order to follow those simple messages. Sad because you are not right now content with God, which unfortunately will be the case for the rest of your life if you choose to walk the path by following the Quran. It is a paradox because the message is simple but very complicated to understand, but like they say, sometimes the simple solution is the one most difficult to find.....I think none will ever fully understand all of the guidance, it is a struggle that will continue until we depart from this earth. I have many times myself almost given up because once I think I know the answer it turns out I was completely wrong......It is funny you mention christianity as an option because I have on few occassions thought that their path seems so much simpler and they have alot more "freedom" than the muslim, I have gotten jealous confused
Anyways, the reason why I am writing is to give you a hint about this kafir situation you got with the mainstream muslims. To understand why they are so fast at calling you a kafir you must first look at how you come across, and the fact is that as a follower of Quran Alone you remind them of kafirs. By that I mean they cannot see the difference between you and a born-muslim-but-not-such-a-strong-believer-in-God person. As a QA you look like one, act like one, smell like one o Little do they know how much you believe in God, this they cannot see.
Think about it, I don't want you to be sad being called a kafir.I only know of one other dutch person here, his name is Sunnah-Hero........but I wouldnt recommend talking to him, not yet atleast, maybe in a few years.....inshallah
Aleykum sallaam Emil,
Thanks for your nice words! I was a few days offline from here because i was verry busy. I feel good to hear that there are a lot other people like me with the same idea's about religion.
May God reward you for youre really nice words!
Lots of greetings Ammehoela )