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Did the Quran wran us aout GMO and Cloning?!

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    Jafar
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    Salaam
    I too see surah 4119 most applicable in this century of capitalist

    Capitalism is an ancient practice too.. yet only recently people start to name it as 'capitalism'..

    The ancient practice of cutting the livestock's ear as a mark of 'ownership' is a striking evidence to that..
    Livestock IS the capital of its 'owner'..

    May be cutting off the sheep's ears is an old practice to mark the ownership of the cattle, but this was used when first cloning ?Dolly? the sheep and after that,

    Dolly's initial DNA was NOT taken from another sheep's ear..
    Her DNA was taken from another sheep 'breast'.. the 'mammary gland' to be exact..
    That's why she was named "Dolly", from "Dolly Parton" who's very famous of her humongous sized breast...

    to alter God?s creation, plastic surgery became widely available to ordinary people all over the world, deceiving humans with fancies to look young, beautiful and be happy forever.

    Well doing 'surgery' to alter one appearance is an ancient practice too..
    Starting from Tattoo who's been around since 3000 BC
    And up to 'modification of ear'.. (you can call it 'plastical surgery' of ancient times)
    Such as below..
    http//s2.hubimg.com/u/1956653_f520.jpg

    Humans have been modifying diet since ages in order to get enhanced quality of food but now we have reached a stage where an excuse to feed the over populated world resulted in fertilizers, insecticide and GM crops which even insects would not eat as animal have natural instinct reject food which is not naturally good for them but humans get carried away with Satan?s promise. Consumption of food incapable of yielding naturally fertilizing seeds, will result in the breakdown of the natural cycle of reproduction and this is what Satan always wished, the end of human race.

    Perhaps it's time to revisit the 'ancient israelites' tradition of "Land Sabbath" and Jubilee..

    "Speak to the sons of Israel, and say to them, 'When you come into the land which I shall give you, then the land shall have a sabbath to the Lord. Six years you shall sow your field, and six years you shall prune your vineyard and gather in its crop, but during the seventh year the land shall have a sabbath rest, a sabbath to the Lord?You are also to count off seven sabbaths of years for yourself, seven times seven years, so that you have the time of the seven sabbaths of years, namely, forty-nine years. You shall then sound a ram's horn abroad on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the day of atonement you shall sound a horn all through your land. You shall thus consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim a release through the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you"
    Leviticus 251-4

    Salam / Peace

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      farida
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      Nothing is new including Satan who has been working on us all these year to reach this stage where he can proudly say; I think achieved most in this century
      Salaam

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        No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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        HOWEVER; halal only means it has Allahs name mentioned when it's killed, it doesn't mean that it was raised humane, on pasture eating grass as Allah intended or not given growth hormones or antibiotics. Which I can go on about but I will stop here unless someone wants to go further into detail.I would however, like to start a discussion on verse 4119 and anyones thoughts about what it refers to.......

        Where in the Quran does it say this? This was adpated from the Jews by the sectarian Sunnis, Shiites, etc.

        6118 So eat from that on which God's name has been mentioned, if you indeed acknowledge His signs.

        6119 Why should you not eat that on which God's name has been mentioned, when He has sufficiently detailed to you what has been made forbidden; except what you are forced to? Many misguide by their desires without knowledge; your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.

        6121 Do not eat from what God's name has not been mentioned, for it is vile. The devils inspire their supporters to argue with you; and if you obey them, then you have set up partners.

        This is upon the individual who is eating to do so. And one must mention God's name upon EVERY FOOD for it to be "halal"/lawful food, not only meat.

        Ponder upon these verses

        5338 None can carry the burdens of another.
        5339 The human being will have what he sought.

        6164 Say, "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" Every person earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you regarding your disputes.

        397 If you reject, then know that God is in no need of you, and He dislikes rejection for His servants. If you are appreciative, He is pleased for you. None shall bear the burdens of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of everything you had done. He is fully aware of what is inside the chests.

        Everyone has to mention the name of God upon his/her own food. One cannot rely on another person to do it for oneself. The whole point is that we REMEMBER GOD. How can you remember God if you buy food upon which OTHER people mentioned God's name? That defeats the whole purpose of mentioning God's name on the food.

        And remember

        6114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this book sufficiently detailed?" Those to whom We have given the book know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.

        6115 The word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

        6116 If you obey the majority of those on earth they will lead you away from God's path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.

        6117 Your Lord is fully aware of who strays from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.

        It is no coincidence that the following verse contains mentioning God's name upon our food. Many peopled are misguided and copy the mistakes that the Jews made with their intricate dietary prohibitions, and many do not want to follow God and remember Him themselves when they eat.

        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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          Hallelu Yah, Praise God!
          Someone who actually cares about nutrition!

          Changing God's creation yes, from GMO to Hydrogenated fats.

          and have you looked into Mercury exposure?
          Mercury from Amalgam tooth fillings (silver fillings)

          RSVP Toxic Mercury found in Dental Fillings
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602956.0

          Most of the mercury exposure would be from Tooth fillings. Moreover, get away with the energy saving light bulbs, they contain mercury as well. if you break these, you could contaminate the area with mercury, and it could take thousands of $$$ to properly clean the area (so much for energy savings!!!!---stick with regular bulbs or LED Bulbs.

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            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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            I recommend the movie Food Inc. to all. Also, I think the U.S. is very far behind in terms of food regulations. In the EU, for example, using antibiotics in food is forbidden, unlike in the U.S.

            Watch what you're eating.
            And in terms of GMO and cloning, the Quran mentions this

            4119 (Satan - our evil, rebellious mindset and thoughts - said) "I will misguide them and make them desire, and I will command them, so that they will mark the ears of the livestock, and I will command them so they will make change to God's creation." Whoever takes the devil as a supporter other than God, then he has indeed lost a great loss.

            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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              You are right! Over ALL food must be recited bismillah. I was however talking about "Halal" meat sold in markets. The source is not of which Allah intended. It is misleading because it reads "halal", and because it had Allahs name mentioned before the kill (hopefully), but the standards of the way it was raised are not accounted for.
              Really what I meant in this post is an eye opener! Anyone who is aware, and continues to consume these foods, are giving in to shaytans "evil plan" hahah (I will go so far as to say that). What they really are eating, and I am using a cow, but all animals, dairy products, and eggs, well let's go even further.....and nuts, seeds, grains and vegetables and fruit, for the majority are HARAM!
              Let me explain...
              The farming practices and food production, which leads us to ill health, which we in turn give our lives to the doctors, who are portrayed as "gods", and the majority of people, in my experience, give up faith and turn to medicine for the bandaid. If they only search inside themselves and submit and understand that shaytan has his hand in our food, environment and trying to get in our minds, they can find true health. (I'll stop there)
              These preperations have been adapted over the last 100 or so years. You will find it to be the work of shaytan at the top of the pyramid, while we (the sheeps), sit at the bottom.
              These practices have strayed from Allah and when I found this verse, it was an "aha" momet. I only wish to find more to open the eyes of fellow muslims and together we CAN make a difference. If we demand, it will be supplied. Or raise our own, if we are fortunate enough.
              Unless our food has been properly prepared, grown, raised, slaughtered and eaten, shaytan will continue winning, he has control over the actions of the "elite" who have control over our government, who has control over the world. OK, I'm going too far, but it's reality.

              Where in the Quran does it say this? This was adpated from the Jews by the sectarian Sunnis, Shiites, etc.

              6118 So eat from that on which God's name has been mentioned, if you indeed acknowledge His signs.

              6119 Why should you not eat that on which God's name has been mentioned, when He has sufficiently detailed to you what has been made forbidden; except what you are forced to? Many misguide by their desires without knowledge; your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.

              6121 Do not eat from what God's name has not been mentioned, for it is vile. The devils inspire their supporters to argue with you; and if you obey them, then you have set up partners.

              This is upon the individual who is eating to do so. And one must mention God's name upon EVERY FOOD for it to be "halal"/lawful food, not only meat.

              Ponder upon these verses

              5338 None can carry the burdens of another.
              5339 The human being will have what he sought.

              6164 Say, "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" Every person earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you regarding your disputes.

              397 If you reject, then know that God is in no need of you, and He dislikes rejection for His servants. If you are appreciative, He is pleased for you. None shall bear the burdens of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of everything you had done. He is fully aware of what is inside the chests.

              Everyone has to mention the name of God upon his/her own food. One cannot rely on another person to do it for oneself. The whole point is that we REMEMBER GOD. How can you remember God if you buy food upon which OTHER people mentioned God's name? That defeats the whole purpose of mentioning God's name on the food.

              And remember

              6114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this book sufficiently detailed?" Those to whom We have given the book know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.

              6115 The word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

              6116 If you obey the majority of those on earth they will lead you away from God's path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.

              6117 Your Lord is fully aware of who strays from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.

              It is no coincidence that the following verse contains mentioning God's name upon our food. Many peopled are misguided and copy the mistakes that the Jews made with their intricate dietary prohibitions, and many do not want to follow God and remember Him themselves when they eat.

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                Imanajib
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                YES! That is something amongst the other toxins such as flouride, aluminum, MSG, and many others.
                I have made it my mission to teach women about the dangers in our environment. For men (and everyone)....have you heard of Weston A. Price? westonaprice.org

                Hallelu Yah, Praise God!
                Someone who actually cares about nutrition!

                Changing God's creation yes, from GMO to Hydrogenated fats.

                and have you looked into Mercury exposure?
                Mercury from Amalgam tooth fillings (silver fillings)

                RSVP Toxic Mercury found in Dental Fillings
                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602956.0

                Most of the mercury exposure would be from Tooth fillings. Moreover, get away with the energy saving light bulbs, they contain mercury as well. if you break these, you could contaminate the area with mercury, and it could take thousands of $$$ to properly clean the area (so much for energy savings!!!!---stick with regular bulbs or LED Bulbs.

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                  Jafar
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                  Everyone has to mention the name of God upon his/her own food. One cannot rely on another person to do it for oneself. The whole point is that we REMEMBER GOD. How can you remember God if you buy food upon which OTHER people mentioned God's name? That defeats the whole purpose of mentioning God's name on the food.

                  Good Point!
                  The whole objective of 'mentioning God upon food or sustenance' is for gratitude of His blessing.. and remember Him often..

                  As for 'the end of human race' thingy...
                  I wanted share some something else on 'food poisoning' ..
                  It's a much 'bigger threat' than anything that has been mentioned on this thread..

                  Have anybody noticed on some european countries, human population started to decline?

                  As a 'case study' I share the data on the 'worst hit' country.. Ukraine..
                  Year Pop. ?%
                  1975 48,880,500 +3.7%
                  1979 49,609,333 +1.5%
                  1984 50,678,600 +2.2%
                  1989 51,452,034 +1.5%
                  1995 51,728,400 +0.5%
                  2001 48,457,100 6.3%
                  2006 46,886,356 0.8%
                  2011 45,778,500 0.4%
                  http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

                  The era of 1995-2001 marked as turning point of human population in Ukraine..
                  And I see the same pattern in other european countries as well..

                  So hmmm.. what happened between 1995-2001???
                  Well nothing in particular.. BUT..
                  Something big happened 10 years before that in 1986..
                  The Chernobyl Reactor Nuclear Disaster.

                  It releases radioactive pollutant equal to 400 X of Hiroshima bomb..
                  It spread through animals, fishes, human, rivers, cloud/rain, water..

                  http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster#International_spread_of_radioactive_substances

                  Here's an snippet..
                  "Bio-accumulation of radioactivity in fish resulted in concentrations (both in western Europe and in the former Soviet Union) that in many cases were significantly above guideline maximum levels for consumption. Guideline maximum levels for radiocaesium in fish vary from country to country but are approximately 1,000 Bq/kg in the European Union. In the Kiev Reservoir in Ukraine, concentrations in fish were several thousand Bq/kg during the years after the accident.

                  In small "closed" lakes in Belarus and the Bryansk region of Russia, concentrations in a number of fish species varied from 100 to 60,000 Bq/kg during the period 1990?92. The contamination of fish caused short-term concern in parts of the UK and Germany and in the long term (years rather than months) in the affected areas of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia as well as in parts of Scandinavia"

                  Radioactivity pollutant has hit it's toll perhaps.. in Europe..
                  And it's very hard to clean.. nearly impossible...
                  And probably it's the major cause of human population decline in Europe.

                  If I were you I'll try to avoid consuming any consumable (food or drinks) which came from Europe..

                  And merely "Saying God's name" upon eating the food will not change anything..

                  Exhibit A, real life example on "Altered God's creation" caused by radioactive pollutant..

                  http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Kiev-UkrainianNationalChernobylMuseum_15.jpg/800px-Kiev-UkrainianNationalChernobylMuseum_15.jpg

                  Salam / Peace

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                    If I were you I'll try to avoid consuming any consumable (food or drinks) which came from Europe..

                    And merely "Saying God's name" upon eating the food will not change anything..

                    Exhibit A, real life example on "Altered God's creation" caused by radioactive pollutant..

                    Another good point, It seems we can't run from anything no matter where in the world we are. We have the problem with Chem trails (I don't see much different between the harmful effects of that and Europes problem, environmentally speaking), so I am sure if you did a survey on life decreasing in the US, you might find worse results. De-population, those are the famous words of the people in support of (shaytans) New Word Order!

                    Lesson here...BUY LOCAL and Organic, and speak out aginst what is wrong! Unfortunately, not many people understand what that is or the importance. -
                    Life is a learning process and trust and beleive in Allah, this is all happening for a reason...to test humanity!

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                      Salaam
                      "Altered God's creation" caused by all sort of pollutant in this century
                      Most european countries, human population started to decline with the avalibiliy contreceptive pills from 1950's and now The fertility of a generation of men is being put at risk because a hormone found in the Pill is getting into drinking water, scientists fear.
                      Pollution due to the chemical, a powerful form of oestrogen, is causing up to half the male fish in our lowland rivers to change sex, research shows.
                      Read more http//www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-105466/Fertility-timebomb-drinking-water.html#ixzz1uyUzK63U
                      Add to that effects of radioactive materials at the Fukushima's Nuclear Power Plants .

                      Peace

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                        i think a similar thing is happening in Iraq, i think there is increasing infertility in females, and disformity/genetic disorders in babies, because of exposure from radioactive uranium etc from shells and bombs etc from the war

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                          farida
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                          i think a similar thing is happening in Iraq, i think there is increasing infertility in females, and disformity/genetic disorders in babies, because of exposure from radioactive uranium etc from shells and bombs etc from the war

                          Add to that Afghanistan and Libya and Palestine and .............

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                            i think a similar thing is happening in Iraq, i think there is increasing infertility in females, and disformity/genetic disorders in babies, because of exposure from radioactive uranium etc from shells and bombs etc from the war

                            Not sure about 'radioactive uranium' in Iraq..
                            But one thing for sure.. there's a lot of environment problem on northern Iraq due to the massive amount of Gas Canister and Chem Weapons deployed by Saddam Hussein to the kurds.. and the (rebelling) shiites..

                            http//www.habilian.ir/en/images/stories/monafeqin/kurds%20suppression.jpg

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                              Satan and God invite to total opposites. Follow satan and everything is bleak with the illusion of oblivion after death. That falsehood rouses people to try to create heaven here, like thirsty people chasing a sip of water in the desert. Desire money, you become poor, desire beauty, become ugly, desire your brand of peace, get war, desire justice, evil spreads, desire eternal life, kill everyone trying. The illusion looks alluring but the reality behind it is one of rotting, decay, and despair. What they're trying to do is squeeze more water than we have outta the pipe and faster than it even comes into existence.

                              "The farming practices and food production, which leads us to ill health, which we in turn give our lives to the doctors, who are portrayed as "gods", and the majority of people, in my experience, give up faith and turn to medicine for the bandaid. If they only search inside themselves and submit and understand that shaytan has his hand in our food, environment and trying to get in our minds, they can find true health. (I'll stop there)" - Imanajib

                              Perfectly said! Food is the source of all of these gripes, it really is where all the false desires start. These crazy highs and lows you get from processed things, the nature of unwrap, consume, throw away and the sheer disconnect between the origin of the food and what's on our plate all just evil. It throws our brain's reward systems into chaos then it spreads to the rest of our lives. Everything must happen now and it has to pack a punch. We lose all sense of subtle peace then the voice of God gets clouded. This is a silent one sided war that's ravaging humanity from the inside out, it's like everybody's already on fire. No wonder God repeats over and over again the importance of eating food dedicated to He alone.

                              We gotta prepare for Fukushima too, Chernobyl was bad but this one...

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                                One more thing, is that we are commanded to avoid the works of the devil 590, and so, IF GMO are the works of the devil as per 4119, then we should avoid it and oppose it.

                                Also Imanajib
                                you can use http//tanzil.net, transliteration choice from the drop down menu, as well as other translations. other features on there are go-to-verse, and the roots of the words of the Quran. If you're If you are trying to learn the Quran, learn the root of the words.
                                The Quran is made of almost 80,000 words, however, these 80k words are only made of about 2,000 root words....
                                Most of the roots are made of 3 letters. And Words that are made with the Same root in most cases have a similar meaning
                                Thus learn these ~2k roots, and see there use in words.
                                Another helpful website is the root dictionary of http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp

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