Friends with Non-muslims? -_- Please help
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Go straight to the source!
Ask for Allah's guidence through prayer and ask for forgiveness if you are wrong. It states over and over again "Allah is forgiving, just, compassionate, merciful, and so on". This doesn't seem to me like a God that will send you to hell fire for not understanding -
Continue to ask forgiveness in the things you do wrong, knowing or unknowing )Regardless, still haven't gotten an answer to this / please help people everyone '(
608-9 are still my only verses of hope that make be think that as long as they aren't physically being hostile to me over religion and kicking me out of my home it is fine, yet I am very scared that I am wrong and that some of those other verses specifically 5822 and 5814. &
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Go straight to the source!
Ask for Allah's guidence through prayer and ask for forgiveness if you are wrong. It states over and over again "Allah is forgiving, just, compassionate, merciful, and so on". This doesn't seem to me like a God that will send you to hell fire for not understanding -
Continue to ask forgiveness in the things you do wrong, knowing or unknowingOh believe me I HAVE. I have done it many times and i've come to the conclusion that I either have to keep waiting or he is rather guiding me to the answer which is why I posted here.
Thus why I need some opinions to further understand.
Oh yeah i've been reading some tafsirs on 5822 and they have been stating that the "oppose" refers to physical conflict especially since it was revealed during a war, but i'm sure.
Please help everyone and may Allah bless you all
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We should not befirend those who fight us because of our religious affiliation. Otherwise
"God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, God loves those who act justly. (60
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So I am pretty depressed at the moment after seeing a couple of verses regarding friendship and I have done searches here and there and on this form too. So here is my problem
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The words that I bolded are all forms of the word "Wali" which can mean "ally", "friend", "guardian" or "advisor".
...........Please help people cause i've been in such a sad sad daze -_-Slaam
I think the surahs you quoted refer to people not to individual friends that if you put your trust in those people who are not from your own people you end up confused & o
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We should not befirend those who fight us because of our religious affiliation. Otherwise
"God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, God loves those who act justly. (60
Well I know that and that and 609 are the two beautiful verses that make me happy as there are no one here that picks up a sword and tries to fight us cause of our believes. My question is in regards to verses like 5822 which state we should not love those who oppose God which is quite contrast to 60-9 as 609 said we should not be friends nor ally with them if they physically attack while oppose can refer to sinply a Christian missionary who is out to spread its relgion or member of any religion who tells others that their religion is coreect and ours isn't without use of force and being still very friendly and living in harmony with you regardless of accepting their words or not. So please help
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Slaam
I think the surahs you quoted refer to people not to individual friends that if you put your trust in those people who are not from your own people you end up confused & o
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Read more http//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144613/Pictures-Dubai-1960s-1970s-city-fishing-settlement.html#ixzz1uylvD9VOI understand and that is one theory I had in that these refer to nations who ally with each other as it stares stuff like "people" rather than "person" in 6013 and how a muslim country shouldn't ally with an opposing nation.
Also yeah that's pretty awesome how they moderized.
Regardless still quite confused in regards to 5822
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"You will not find any people who believe in God and the Last Day love those who oppose God and His messenger, even if they were their parents, or their children, or their siblings, or their tribe. For these, He decrees faith into their hearts, and supports them with Spirit from Him, and He admits them into paradises with rivers flowing beneath, wherein they will abide. God is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. These are the party of God. Most assuredly, the party of God are the winners." (5822)
And this last verse is what scares me and is one without the word "Wali" in it. My friends and father aren't hostile to me over my faith.
Please help people cause i've been in such a sad sad daze -_-
If they are not hostile to you over your faith it means they do not oppose God and His messenger, if they start to criticize God and His messenger in discussions with you, than I think you would not enjoy their company.
Salaam -
If they are not hostile to you over your faith it means they do not oppose God and His messenger, if they start to criticize God and His messenger in discussions with you, than I think you would not enjoy their company.
SalaamWell say they did it at some point but stopped after I said I didn't like it. Like I know Christians who tell me the Prophet was false and told me to go to Christianity. That is their belief but after I said no, they were cool it and we moved on.
Basically what i'm saying is that even if they go around telling people things like that, is it okay considering they aren't hostile to me and that if I don't accept they are fine with me as is?
Atheists go around all the time saying that God is fake, but they aren't being hostile to me on it. Like i've got some friends who may post some meme that involved "joking" about God over Facebook and such but by no means are they out to destroy Monotheism or anything even if they say things that aren't good about it.
Still not feeling too good on it. What do you think?
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It seems our freaks dont like discussing this issue D
"O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Nazarenes as "awliya", for they are allies to one another; and whoever takes them as such from amongst you is one of them. God does not guide the wicked people" (551)
If Allah did allow you to do it, could your stomach accept to take those close friends who reject ayats of Allah ?
I'd prefer HIV virus instead of christians and jews. at least it is not the worst creature (read 986)
peace
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It seems our freaks dont like discussing this issue D
"O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Nazarenes as "awliya", for they are allies to one another; and whoever takes them as such from amongst you is one of them. God does not guide the wicked people" (551)
If Allah did allow you to do it, could your stomach accept to take those close friends who reject ayats of Allah ?
I'd prefer HIV virus instead of christians and jews. at least it is not the worst creature (read 986)
peace
O_o You know it "awliya" means "allies" as in allying with them in war right? A regular Christian or Jew who lives in the west isn't gonna start a war with us. But regardless so what if they reject the Quran? Remember that Allah has split us into tribes and nations and they still are monotheists regardless of the fact and if they aren't hostile to me or starting a holy war and rather friendly and nice, what is so wrong with that?
Afterall God allows us to marry them which is MUCH closer then friendship.Also regardless 608-9 refutes such views that you got.
Now can I get a proper answer to this thread as I already know what it means in regards to Wali being ally, but 5822 is what i'm curious about.
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It seems our freaks dont like discussing this issue D
"O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Nazarenes as "awliya", for they are allies to one another; and whoever takes them as such from amongst you is one of them. God does not guide the wicked people" (551)
If Allah did allow you to do it, could your stomach accept to take those close friends who reject ayats of Allah ?
I'd prefer HIV virus instead of christians and jews. at least it is not the worst creature (read 986)
peace
Sura 60 is clear upon Who we CAN and CANNOT take as allies.
Cannot 601 The enemies of God, the disbelievers in the Quran, those who oppose us and evict us from our homes = just because our belief in God
Cannot 609 Those who fight us because of our religious creed, and oppose us to try to evict us
Cannot 557 Those who take our religion mockeryCAN Those who DON'T fight us because of our religious creed, and DON'T oppose us to try to evict us from our homes.
551 is talking about being an ALLY. It is not talking about Friendship. God Almighty has cited to us from every example in the Quran (3927), and he has not failed to cite to us an example of allies. In the Next verse of 552 we see the examples of people taking allies, and this case would apply in war/conflict-like situations. It would mean not supporting unbelievers against believers (excluding cases of Justice etc). Also, We are allowed to make peace treaties (8061, and covenants 490)
5822 is talking about showing affection/loving those who oppose God.
In 4828, we see a description of being Stern with Unbelievers and compassionate with believers, However, This does not mean justice would be skewed if the case is a believer vs an unbeliever (375-6)Friendship is not the same as being an ally and supporting unbelievers over believers.
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Sura 60 is clear upon Who we CAN and CANNOT take as allies.
Cannot 601 The enemies of God, the disbelievers in the Quran, those who oppose us and evict us from our homes = just because our belief in God
Cannot 609 Those who fight us because of our religious creed, and oppose us to try to evict us
Cannot 557 Those who take our religion mockeryCAN Those who DON'T fight us because of our religious creed, and DON'T oppose us to try to evict us from our homes.
551 is talking about being an ALLY. It is not talking about Friendship. God Almighty has cited to us from every example in the Quran (3927), and he has not failed to cite to us an example of allies. In the Next verse of 552 we see the examples of people taking allies, and this case would apply in war/conflict-like situations. It would mean not supporting unbelievers against believers (excluding cases of Justice etc). Also, We are allowed to make peace treaties (8061, and covenants 490)
5822 is talking about showing affection/loving those who oppose God.
In 4828, we see a description of being Stern with Unbelievers and compassionate with believers, However, This does not mean justice would be skewed if the case is a believer vs an unbeliever (375-6)Friendship is not the same as being an ally and supporting unbelievers over believers.
Well said Youssef on how ally=/=friendship. I remember the word mostly used in the Quran for friendship was khallan and the word for companion was ibuhu, which were pointed out in a previous topic i've seen on such a topic.
Also for the part where we can make allies. So considering Turkey has an alliance with the United States, it is considered fine as they aren't opposing their religion nor evicting them from their homes?
Regardless my other question to you is about 5822. You said it's talking about love and compassion to those who oppose God, but the question is what does oppose refer to? like naturally we are allowed to love other monotheists in regards to marriage afterall but they naturally "oppose" as in reject our beliefs and encourage others to join their own without any warfare or hostility. I've seen tafsirs say that oppose refers to hostile warfare which seems to make sense.
Thanks )
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Peace,
557 O you who acknowledge, do not take as allies those who have taken your system as fun and games from among those who have been given the book before you and the ingrates. Be aware of God if you are those who acknowledge.
Also, please read this
Edip-Layth - End Note 14 (551)
Verse 557 provides the characteristics of the people of the book, whom we are instructed not to ally ourselves with. Muslims should not ally themselves with those who insult their values or promote hatred against them. Obviously, this instruction is in the context of religious conflict; not in the context of social, personal, or financial relationship. There are righteous people among the people of the book (3113; 3199 569). Eating their food or marriage with them is permitted (55). Verses 557 and 607-9 are among the verses that provide us with basic principles in dealing with others.
Also read these verses
607 It may well be that God will bring about affection between you and those whom you now consider enemies. Certainly, God is Able to do all things, and God is Forgiving, Merciful.
608 God does not forbid you from being kind, and fully equitable to those who do not fight you on account of Religion, and do not evict you from your homelands. God loves those who lead a just, balanced life.
609 But God does forbid you regarding those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them, then such are the transgressors.
It is that simple!
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^ooh I didn't see edips commentary there on how its always about military conflict. Regardless thanks
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^ooh I didn't see edips commentary there on how its always about military conflict. Regardless thanks
His commentary is very clever and accurate, and is based on cross-reference in the Quran - you would benefit from reading them. And my post is very clear and easy to understand. Also, common sense tell us that it is OK to be friends with non-mumins.
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Also for the part where we can make allies. So considering Turkey has an alliance with the United States, it is considered fine as they aren't opposing their religion nor evicting them from their homes?
Turkey, Saudi Arabia or Gulf States are violating the Qur'an. We take them (the West) as allies while they are massacring millions of Muslims. If that is not clear violation of those verses mentioned earlier, then I don't know what is. The West is at war with Islam.
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Turkey, Saudi Arabia or Gulf States are violating the Qur'an. We take them (the West) as allies while they are massacring millions of Muslims. If that is not clear violation of those verses mentioned earlier, then I don't know what is. The West is at war with Islam.
No they are NOT in a war with Islam. America is not a christian country by their definition nor has it been found on Christianity contrary to popular belief.
America started a War on "Terror" not a War on "Islam". They go after groups such as Al Qaeda, the Taliban, or other horrible dictorial countries such as the recent assistance with the Libyans on overthrowing the horrible Gaddafi.
Thus I wouldn't say they are violating it at all as they aren't coming in as Christians or any religion but rather as a state to state approach regardless of religion. If religion was at play, none of the muslim nations would side with the US considering they would be in danger too over time.
Now the crusades we had in the past were indeed cases of Christians trying to annihilate Islam (or were they simply just trying to take Jerusalam? need clarification here P))
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Peace progressive1993
yes i do like some of the things in Edip's translation. -
Turkey, Saudi Arabia or Gulf States are violating the Qur'an. We take them (the West) as allies while they are massacring millions of Muslims. If that is not clear violation of those verses mentioned earlier, then I don't know what is. The West is at war with Islam.
Turkey??? Really?? Hmm I gotta read up on my family history then... I thought it was all good in that country now... and all I heard was positives after Ataturk's reign |.
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Turkey, Saudi Arabia or Gulf States are violating the Qur'an. We take them (the West) as allies while they are massacring millions of Muslims. If that is not clear violation of those verses mentioned earlier, then I don't know what is. The West is at war with Islam.
This is absolute BS - at least the part referring to Turkey.