Surah : 109 - Al-Kafirun
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But dear sorry I could not find any improvement except little difference of phrasing it.
Another basic factor is missing. In all languages the verbs are either transitive or intrasitive. The verbs here are transitive. There is an act, a doer and an object to whom the act is passing on. This is missing in the translation.
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But dear sorry I could not find any improvement except little difference of phrasing it.
Another basic factor is missing. In all languages the verbs are either transitive or intrasitive. The verbs here are transitive. There is an act, a doer and an object to whom the act is passing on. This is missing in the translation.
No Dear Brother it is just not that. You probably did not bother to even look up the reference page in lexicon. It does now translate as verb and not as a noun, like you pointed out before.
Imperfect is mistranslated and misunderstood in English or some other languages by most as just a present or past tense. It actually, implies an unfinished act that is just commencing or in progress. It in, itself has no reference to the temporal relations of speaker (thinker or writer) and of other actions which are brought into juxtaposition with it.
Additionally, imperfect in Quranic Arabic resembles closely with nouns. Hence, it is named as . Therefore, issue of transitive and non transitive pertains more to perfect and not imperfect. Furthermore, if this message is from Rabb, who shall he be worshiping?
Now if we would please pay attention with this background about imperfect and meaning of verb root with ?duhma? on second letter. Hopefully, you will see it. However, I am afraid that conceptual barrier suggested in other post regarding understanding Quran may still become a hindrance. Thanks for your comments.
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Additionally, imperfect in Quranic Arabic resembles closely with nouns. Hence, it is named as . Therefore, issue of transitive and non transitive pertains more to perfect and not imperfect.
It seems a new language is evolving since the above neither pertains to English nor to Arabic known to living humanity.
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It seems a new language is evolving since the above neither pertains to English nor to Arabic known to living humanity.
No Brother, it is not a new language evolving, rather it is rediscovering the lost language from Archives and with its help meanings of AlQuran. Actually, I should say it is a rediscovery for us Muslims; as west had already discovered and adopted principles of Quran minus ritualistic worship of manmade Islam.
Reference of above statements that you have labelled as new language, please refer to "A Grammar of the Arabic Language" By W Wright reprint 1975 vol. 1 Pages 51 & 61 REM a. In case you care about it.
Thanks to Brother Waqas here is the link to book above.
http//www.ghazali.org/arabic/WrightArabicGrammarVol1.pdf
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Another basic factor is missing. In all languages the verbs are either transitive or intrasitive. The verbs here are transitive. There is an act, a doer and an object to whom the act is passing on. This is missing in the translation.
Furthermore, brother your assertion about this verb being transitive is incorrect linguistically as well. The verbs that have "damma" on second radical are invariably intransitive. (Wright vol 1 page 30). This is the case here. Hence, not only logically your assertion is incorrect (based upon logic of this being from our Rabb and who shall he be praying?) linguistically it is incorrect.
Thanks again for letting me reconfirm it, based upon your objection as a transitive verb. Furthermore, I have relearned again that these verbs with "damma" at second radical letter indicate a permanent state or a naturally inherent quality. This would add to meaning of said verse and it should actually read as follows.
Surah 109 2
I have not become, never was and shall never become an object of worship, why have you become worshipers?
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Furthermore, brother your assertion about this verb being transitive is incorrect linguistically as well. The verbs that have "damma" on second radical are invariably intransitive. (Wright vol 1 page 30). This is the case here. Hence, not only logically your assertion is incorrect (based upon logic of this being from our Rabb and who shall he be praying?) linguistically it is incorrect.
Thanks again for letting me reconfirm it, based upon your objection as a transitive verb. Furthermore, I have relearned again that these verbs with "damma" at second radical letter indicate a permanent state or a naturally inherent quality. This would add to meaning of said verse and it should actually read as follows.
Surah 109 2
I have not become, never was and shall never become an object of worship, why have you become worshipers?
Sometime back I had pointed to you to read Wright without first having formed your own opinion in mind because in that case you think Wright is saying that which you earlier believed.
Now again visit his page and see what he is saying. He has quoted few verbs which are transitive, and place the third person perfect verb which is with fateha on second radical and understand whether it is transitive or not. The Verb in Ayah is first person imperfect with indicative mood and is transsitive. You may consult few lexicons also only to find it transitive.
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Sometime back I had pointed to you to read Wright without first having formed your own opinion in mind because in that case you think Wright is saying that which you earlier believed.
Now again visit his page and see what he is saying. He has quoted few verbs which are transitive, and place the third person perfect verb which is with fateha on second radical and understand whether it is transitive or not. The Verb in Ayah is first person imperfect with indicative mood and is transsitive. You may consult few lexicons also only to find it transitive.
Brother it is okay to let ones ego go once in a while and accept the facts and truth. This is also a principle from Quran that our Rabb wants us to adopt. I have pointed out from beginning that verb in this verse has "damma" on second letter not "fatha". Wright explicitly says on page 30 vol 1. where he has described transitive and intransitive verbs. The ones with "damma" at second radical letter are invariably intransitive.
Furthermore, already pointed out above, from Lane its meaning as different from verb with "fetha" on second radical letter. This is my last post on the topic. As I already pointed out my purpose is not to get involved in vain discussion. It is just to find out truth based upon language, reason and logic and share as such with references. Whether, someone agrees or not it is upon a given individual.
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Brother it is okay to let ones ego go once in a while and accept the facts and truth. This is also a principle from Quran that our Rabb wants us to adopt. I have pointed out from beginning that verb in this verse has "damma" on second letter not "fatha". Wright explicitly says on page 30 vol 1. where he has described transitive and intransitive verbs. The ones with "damma" at second radical letter are invariably intransitive.
Furthermore, already pointed out above, from Lane its meaning as different from verb with "fetha" on second radical letter. This is my last post on the topic. As I already pointed out my purpose is not to get involved in vain discussion. It is just to find out truth based upon language, reason and logic and share as such with references. Whether, someone agrees or not it is upon a given individual.
Please do not attribute stupid things to Wright. He does not say such non sense which has somehow entered in your mind. He is talking about Third Person Singular Perfect Verb with second radical having vowel Fataha and not imperfect verbs. The third person perfect Verb of is . Unless you shed away what you said "Brother it is okay to let ones ego go once in a while and accept the facts and truth", you might get nothing from Wright.
I advise you that instead of wandering proceed in proper sequence. First study the initial six chapters about Verb. The verb under discussion is on pattern of chapter -.
The invariably intransitive verbs are in Chapter/Scale 5 -. For thos reason they do not have Active Participles.
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Please do not attribute stupid things to Wright. He does not say such non sense which has somehow entered in your mind. He is talking about Third Person Singular Perfect Verb with second radical having vowel Fataha and not imperfect verbs. The third person perfect Verb of is . Unless you shed away what you said "Brother it is okay to let ones ego go once in a while and accept the facts and truth", you might get nothing from Wright.
I advise you that instead of wandering proceed in proper sequence. First study the initial six chapters about Verb. The verb under discussion is on pattern of chapter -.
The invariably intransitive verbs are in Chapter/Scale 5 -. For thos reason they do not have Active Participles.
The highlighting with red colour with big font has indicated to me that unfortunately you are still not aware of the fact that the Present Tense Verb is derived from the Past Tense Verb, the most fundamental aspect of Arabic grammar.
Dear brother although I said it was my last post on the subject. But I would like to make sure we both understand each others point of view clearly.
You are trying to tell me that is a verb from , only. Whereas, I am trying to tell you, and all, that this verb according to Lane also comes from hence . In this case there should be no change in vowel of second radical letter in imperfect.
Furthermore, although it makes me sick to say this, as well it will spook lot of people. But since my objective is search of truth only and not verification of held beliefs. It appears to me that current Quranic text is tampered with. As the example clearly given from Quran in Lane's lexicon, supporting this fact is not present in current quranic text that I have in my possession.
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Brother Mazhar, I sincerely want to thank you. As your comments are provoking and making me learn and understand more and more the language of Quran. I just wish one day we could start seeing the same based upon facts and not just for sake of agreement. As well put our efforts together to bring the truth to lime light.
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I dedicate this improved understanding of Sura Al-Kafirun to Dear Brother Mazhar.
Surah 109 1
Think and express, O you lethargic in unwise actions; ones who are hiding sufficient and fulfilling knowledge, due to denial of facts and ingratitude to all benevolence.
Surah 109 2
I have not become was never and shall never be a deity for worship, why have you become worshipers?
Surah 109 3
Since you were not to be worshippers, why would I become an object of worship?
Surah 109 4
Since I am not a worshiper, why do you all became worshiper?
Surah 109 5
I have not become was never and shall never be a deity for worship, why have you become worshipers?
Surah 109 6
For you all are your habits and customs, and for me are my habits and customs.
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Dear brother although I said it was my last post on the subject. But I would like to make sure we both understand each others point of view clearly.
You are trying to tell me that is a verb from , only. Whereas, I am trying to tell you, and all, that this verb according to Lane also comes from hence . In this case there should be no change in vowel of second radical letter in imperfect.
Furthermore, although it makes me sick to say this, as well it will spook lot of people. But since my objective is search of truth only and not verification of held beliefs. It appears to me that current Quranic text is tampered with. As the example clearly given from Quran in Lane's lexicon, supporting this fact is not present in current quranic text that I have in my possession.
Now you have left Wright and have now started attributing personally thought stupidities to Lane. Here is Lane on this Root words. Tell me by highlighting that part which you say he said like. However, your comment has exposed that as you do not know the manners of consulting Wright, likewise you also do not know how to read Lane Lexicon.
1 , aor. , inf. n. (IKtt, L, Msb, &c.) and and (IKtt) and and , (L,) He served, worshipped, or adored, God; rendered to Him religious service, worship, or adoration (L or he obeyed God (IKtt or he obeyed God with humility or submissiveness; rendered to Him humble, or submissive, obedience (IAth, L, Msb the verb is used in these senses only when the object is God, or a false god, or the Devil. (TA.) -A2- I was excited against him to annoy, molest, harm, or hurt, him. (O, K.) -b2- And What has withheld thee from me? (IAar, L.) -A3- , aor. , inf. n. and , accord. to Lh and IKtt, but A'Obeyd held that there is no verb to these two ns., He was, or became, a slave, or in a state of slavery or he was, or became, in a state of slavery, his fathers having been so before him; as also . (L.) -b2- Lth read ; explaining the meaning to be, Et-T?ghoot having become an object of worship; and saying that , here, is a verb similar to and but Az says that in this he has committed a mistake. (L.) -A4- , aor. , inf. n. (and , or this is a simple subst., L), He was, or became, angry; (Fr, S, O, * L, Msb, K like and and (Fr and he was long angry. (L.) You say, He was angry with him. (Fr.) And ElFarezdak makes it trans. without a prep., saying . (L.) -b2- He disdained, or scorned. (AZ, S, O, L.) El-Farezdak says, ?
? . (S, O, L.) -b3- He denied, disacknowledged, or disallowed. (O, K.) -b4- He repented, and blamed himself, (O, K, TA,) for having been remiss, or having fallen short of doing what he ought to have done. (TA.) -b5- He mourned, grieved, or was sorrowful. (L.) -b6- He was covetous; or inordinately, or culpably, desirous. (O, K.) And He clave, or kept, to it, or him, inseparably. (L.) -b7- And, (O, L, K,) said of a camel, (L,) He was, or became, affected with mange, or scab (L or with incurable mange or scab (O, L or with severe mange or scab. (K.) 2 , (S, * A, O, ast; Msb, K, *) inf. n. ; (S, O, K and , (S, A, O, K,) inf. n. ; (S and , and , (S, O, K,) and ; (S, * O, * Msb, K; *) He made him, or took him as, a slave; he enslaved him (S, A, O, Msb, K or and (TA) and and (A) he made him to be as a slave to him. (A, TA.) See also 1, former half. You say Covetousness made him a slave. (A.) And He made me to posses such a one as a slave (A, O, Msb, K so accord. to Lth but Az says that the meaning of as commonly known to the lexicologists is he adds, however, that he does not deny the meaning assigned by Lth if it can be verified. (L.) , occurring in a trad., or as some relate it, , means He took an emancipated man as a slave i. e. he emancipated a slave, and then concealed the act from him, or confined him, and made him to serve him by force; or he took a freeman, and pretended that he was a slave, and took possession of him by force. (L.) -b2- also signifies He brought him under, (namely, a man,) subdued him, or rendered him submissive, so that he did the work of slaves. (AZ, TA.) , inf. n. as above, is syn. with . (S, O.) -A2- , inf. n. as above, He departed, taking fright, and running away, or going away at random (O, K or he hastened, or went quickly. (TA.) And He hastened time after time, running. (TA.) -b2- , (inf. n. as above, S,) He delayed not, or was not slow, to do, or in doing, that. (S, O, K. *) 4 as trans. see 2, former half, in four places. -A2- They collected themselves together; assembled together. (K.) -b2- The people, or party, beat the man (O, K or collected themselves together and beat him. (TA.) -A3- His riding-camel became fatigued (S, O, K or perished; or flagged, or became powerless; or stopped with him (S, O or died, or became ill, or went away, so that he was obliged to stop (L i. q. , (S, O, L, K,) from which it is formed by transposition. (TA.) 5 He became, or made himself, a servant of God; devoted himself to religious services or exercises; applied himself to acts of devotion. (S, A, O, L, Msb, K.) And He became, or made himself, a servant of God by El-Isl?m; syn. . (Msb in art. .) -A2- Also, He (a camel) became refractory, and difficult to manage, (K,) like a wild animal. (L.) -b2- See also , first sentence. -A3- see 2, first sentence, in two places. -b2- Also He called him, or invited him, to obedience. (Msb.) -A4- He drove away the camel until he became fatigued (O, K, TA) and was obliged to stop. (TA.) 8 see 2, former half, in three places. 10 see 2, in two places. R. Q. 2 They (a people) went away in parties in every direction. (TA.) , originally an epithet, but used as a subst., (Sb, TA,) A male slave; (S, A, O, L, Msb, K i. q. ; (L, K contr. of ; (S, A, O, L, Msb as also , (L, K,) in which the is augmentative (L and a servant, or worshipper, of God, and of a false god, or of the Devil (Lth, L, &c. and a man, or human being; (M, A, L, K as being a bondman (ٌ to his Creator; (L applied to a male and to a female; (Ibn-Hazm, TA whether free or a slave (K pl. (S, O, Msb, K) and and , (IKtt, TA,) of which the first is the most commonly known, (Msb,) and and , (S, O, Msb, K,) which two and the first are the most commonly known of all the many pls. of , (Msb,) being like as pl. of , a rare form of pl.; (S, O or, accord. to some, it is a quasipl. n.; accord. to Ibn-M?lik, occurs as a pl. measure, but sometimes they use it in the manner of a pl. and make it fem., as in the instance of , and sometimes they use it in the manner of quasi-pl. ns. and make it masc., as in the instances of and ; (MF and further it should be remarked that the common people agree in making a difference between and , by the former meaning slaves , saying, these are slaves, and @ (Az, L other pls. of are , (S, O, K,) like pl. of , (S, O,) and , (S, O, K,) like pl. of , (S, O,) and , (S, O, K,) like pl. of , (S, O,) or this is pl. of , like pl. of , (Zj,) and is also a pl. of , (L,) and some read , (Akh, S, O,) and (MF) and and and and , (IKtt, TA,) the last three of which are also pls. of (L one says of the worshippers of a plurality of gods, ; but the Muslims one calls , meaning the servants, or worshippers, of God (Lth, L and , (O, K,) a pl. of the sound class, adopted because is originally an epithet (TA and , (O, K,) accord. to some, who read , making the former a prefixed noun, as meaning the servants (م of Et-T?ghoot; but it is a n. of the measure , like and , not a pl.; the meaning being the servant (م of Et- T?ghoot; (Akh, S, O and it is also used by poetic license for ; (Fr, T, S, O and and and ; (S, O, K or, accord. to some, the last of these signifies slaves born in a state of slavery; and the female is termed ; and Lth says that signifies a number of slaves born in a state of slavery, generation after generation; but Az says that this is a mistake, that signifies the same as , that it is thus used in a trad., and that is applied in another trad. to poor men of the class called ; (L and and and (IKtt, TA) and , like , (T, O, K,) and (Yaakoob, S, O, K) and , (IKtt, TA,) and , (O, K,) said to be pl. of ; (TA and pl. pl. , (K,) pl. of ; (TA and , (Es-Suyootee, MF,) app. pl. of . (MF.) , in the Kur lxxxix. 29, means Then enter thou among my righteous servants (Ksh, Bd, Jel or it means . (S, O.) -b2- Also (tropical Ignoble, or base-born; like as is used to signify ? generous, ? ? noble, ? or ? well-born. ? (Mgh in art. .) -A2- Also A certain plant, of sweet odour, (O, K, TA,) of which the camels are fond because it makes the milk to become plentiful, and fattens; it is sharp, or hot, ( O, or TA,) in temperament; and when they depasture it they become thirsty, and seek the water (O, TA so says IAar. (O.) -A3- And A short and broad . (AA, O, * K.) see . see the paragraph commencing with , latter half. and (but the latter is rarely used, Ibn-'Arafeh) Angry. (L.) And (both words) Disdaining, or disdainful; scorning, or scornful. (L.) Accord. to AA, in the words of the Kur , , means The disdainers, or scorners, and the angry (S, * L but Ibn-'Arafeh rejects this assertion (TA these words are variously explained; as meaning There is not to the Compassionate a son; and I am the first of the angry disdainers or scorners of the assertion that there is or, and I am the first of the deniers of this assertion or, and I am the first of the worshippers of God according to the unitarian doctrine, or, of the worshippers of God of this people or if there were to the Compassionate a son, I would be the first of his worshippers or if there be to the Compassionate a son, I am the first of worshippers; but I am not the first worshipper of God or, accord. to Az, the best interpretation is one ascribed to Muj?hid; i. e. if there be to the Compassionate a son in your opinion, I am the first of those who have worshipped God alone, and who have thus charged you with uttering a falsehood in this your assertion. (L.) see , latter half. Disdain, or scorn; (S, O, L, K disdain occasioned by a saying at which one is ashamed, and from which one abstains through scorn and pride (L or intense disdain or scorn. (A.) -b3- Strength so in the saying . (S, O.) -b4- Strength and fatness (S, O, K thus in the phrase . (S, O.) And one says meaning A strong she-camel. (L, Msb.) -b5- And Lastingness, or continuance; syn. ; (O, L, K, TA in some lexicons ; (TA and strength. (L.) One says, meaning There is not to thy garment any lastingness, or continuance, and strength. (Lh, L.) -A2- Also A stone with which perfume is bruised, or pounded. (O, L, K.) . Certain Dirhems, which were superior to those of late times, and of greater weight. (O, K, TA.) , as a subst. see -b2- and . see , last quarter. see , latter half, in two places. see , latter half. see , latter half. see , near the beginning. and a sort of melon, said to be thus called in relation to 'AbdAllah Ibn-T?hir, a governor of Egypt on the part of El-Ma-moon. ('Abd-El-Lateef see pp. 52 and 54 of the Ar. text, and pp. 34 and 35, and 125-7, of De Sacy's Transl. and Notes and see also Forsk?l's Flora ?gypt. Arab. pp. lxxvi. and 168.) see , first and last quarters. The son of the desert, or of the waterless desert thus expl. by El-Kan?nee to Fr. (O.) -b3- And The desert, or waterless desert, (Fr, O, K,) that is vacant, or desolate (K or the land that is vacant, or desolate (El-Kan?- nee, Fr, O or the land that the rain has missed. (O, K.) And sometimes it is used as meaning (assumed tropical Great calamity (TA it is said in a prov., , meaning (assumed tropical into a great calamity. (Meyd, TA.) (S, IKtt, A, IAth, L, K) and and (IKtt, K) and (Fr, K) and and (L) Religious service, worship, adoration, or devotion; (L obedience (S, IKtt, A, K obedience with humility or submissiveness; humble, or submissive, obedience (IAth, L or signifies the Doing what God approves and , the approving what God does and the primary signification of is humility, and submissiveness (S, A, O is rendered only to God, or a false god, or the Devil. (TA.) see the next preceding paragraph, in two places -b2- and see . The , (O, K, TA,) also called . (TA.) The state, or condition, of a slave; slavery; servitude; (S, O, L, Msb as also (S, O, L) and (O, Msb) and . (L.) -b2- See also , in two places. see , last quarter. and , each a pl. having no sing., Parties of people (S, O, K) going in every direction (S, O and horsemen going in every direction. (K.) One says, and The people became divided into parties going in every direction. (S, O.) And and They went away in parties in every direction. (TA.) -b2- Also (both words, K, or the latter , TA,) Far-extending roads (K or diverse and far-extending roads said to be used in this sense not with respect to coming, but only with respect to dispersion, and going away. (TA.) -b3- Also (or the former , TA) Hills such as are called or . (K, TA.) -b4- And one says, He passed, or went away, riding upon the extremities of his buttocks. (O, K.) (S, O) and (O, TA) rel. ns. from (S, O) and (O, TA) thus formed because the said ns. have no sings., (Sb, S, O, TA,) Of, or relating to, parties of people going in every direction. (S, O.) A server, a worshipper, or an adorer, of God (L an obeyer of God with humility, or submissiveness (L, Msb a unitarian (L by a secondary application, used of him who takes for his god other than the True God, such as an idol, and the sun, &c. (Msb pl. and (L, Msb) and and , all of which are also pls. of (L -b2- And A servant a meaning said to be tropical. (TA.) -b3- See also , in two places. see . see -A2- and see also . A shovel, or spade, of iron; syn. (K pl. . (TA.) , and the pl. see , last quarter -A2- and for the former see also . , applied to a camel, Rendered submissive, or tractable; broken, or trained; syn. (A, L or anointed with tar, (S, O, K,) and rendered submissive, or tractable (S, O or whose whole skin is anointed with tar (Sh or mangy, or scabby, whose fur has fallen off by degrees, and which is set apart from the other camels to be anointed with tar or rendered submissive by the mange, or scab or affected with the mange, or scab; or with incurable mange or scab. (L. ) A ship, or boat, tarred (AO, S, O, L, K or smeared with fat, or oil. (AO, L.) -b2- Applied to a road, Beaten; syn. ; (S, A, O, K trodden; (Az, TA or travelled by many passengers going to and fro (TA and syn. with as applied to other things also. (K.) -b3- And A wooden pin, peg, or stake. (Az, O, K, TA. ) So in the following verse of Ibn-Mukbil ?? . (Az, O, TA.) -b4- Also Honoured, or treated with honour, (L, K,) and served; applied to a camel. (L.) Thus it has two contr. significations. (K.) -b5- And A camel left unridden. (O, L.) -b6- And, applied to a stallion , Excited by lust, or by vehement lust. (O, K.) -b7- Also, applied to a country, or tract of land, In which is no footprint, or track, nor any sign of the way, nor water (O, K you say . (O.) and see , last quarter. A place appropriated to religious services or exercises, or acts of devotion. (TA.)
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Thanks again for posting Lane's page. I couldn't do it. I have highlighted for you and all. I can see how difficult it has become to see and make out unless one spends enourmous amount of time with open mind and no biases.
Now you have left Wright and have now started attributing personally thought stupidities to Lane. Here is Lane on this Root words. Tell me by highlighting that part which you say he said like. However, your comment has exposed that as you do not know the manners of consulting Wright, likewise you also do not know how to read Lane Lexicon.
1 , aor. , inf. n. (IKtt, L, Msb, &c.) and and (IKtt) and and , (L,) He served, worshipped, or adored, God; rendered to Him religious service, worship, or adoration (L) or he obeyed God (IKtt) or he obeyed God with humility or submissiveness; rendered to Him humble, or submissive, obedience (IAth, L, Msb) the verb is used in these senses only when the object is God, or a false god, or the Devil. (TA.) -A2- I was excited against him to annoy, molest, harm, or hurt, him. (O, K.) -b2- And What has withheld thee from me? (IAar, L.) -A3- , aor. , inf. n. and , accord. to Lh and IKtt, but A'Obeyd held that there is no verb to these two ns., He was, or became, a slave, or in a state of slavery or he was, or became, in a state of slavery, his fathers having been so before him; as also . (L.) -b2- Lth read ; explaining the meaning to be, Et-T?ghoot having become an object of worship; and saying that , here, is a verb similar to and
Now you have left Wright and have now started attributing personally thought stupidities to Lane. Here is Lane on this Root words. Tell me by highlighting that part which you say he said like. However, your comment has exposed that as you do not know the manners of consulting Wright, likewise you also do not know how to read Lane Lexicon.
1 , aor. , inf. n. (IKtt, L, Msb, &c.) and and (IKtt) and and , (L,) He served, worshipped, or adored, God; rendered to Him religious service, worship, or adoration (L) or he obeyed God (IKtt)
The second high lighted part is to bring your attention to another fact. Almost all roots in lexicon are started of with three letter verbs. Here, it starts off with a noun instead. It always intrigued and bothered me. Until I found out the verb and its meaning. This is a very fine point to consider.
But would like to thank you again in continuing the discussion.
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Now you have left Wright and have now started attributing personally thought stupidities to Lane. Here is Lane on this Root words. Tell me by highlighting that part which you say he said like. However, your comment has exposed that as you do not know the manners of consulting Wright, likewise you also do not know how to read Lane Lexicon.
1 , aor. , inf. n. (IKtt, L, Msb, &c.) and and (IKtt) and and , (L,) He served, worshipped, or adored, God; rendered to Him religious service, worship, or adoration (L) or he obeyed God (IKtt)
The second high lighted part is to bring your attention to another fact. Almost all roots in lexicon are started of with three letter verbs. Here, it starts off with a noun instead. It always intrigued and bothered me. Until I found out the verb and its meaning. This is a very fine point to consider.
But would like to thank you again in continuing the discussion.I thought that by using the word "stupdities", you might start applying mind wihile reading Wright and Lane. But now it gets exposed that you more need a psyche check up than I keep telling you the stupidies one after the other.
The thoughts veiling your intellect seem also to have blurred your eye sight. He is not a fool to begin with a Noun his Lexicon. Here too he has given a complete verbal sentence. Look at the word Allah again, it has Fatha being the Object of transitive Verb . If this was not a Verb but a Noun the Allah will end in genitive state.
Please first start learning the abc of Arabic before embarking upon consulting Lexicons and Wright.
Again read the Lane Lexicon from the beginning to acquaint yourself as to how he mentions the Chapter/scale. He does not write the complete Imperfect Verb but only shows the vowel on the second radical compared to the Perfect verb mentioned first.
aor. , inf. n.
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I thought that by using the word "stupdities", you might start applying mind wihile reading Wright and Lane. But now it gets exposed that you more need a psyche check up than I keep telling you the stupidies one after the other.
The thoughts veiling your intellect seem also to have blurred your eye sight. He is not a fool to begin with a Noun his Lexicon. Here too he has given a complete verbal sentence. Look at the word Allah again, it has Fatha being the Object of transitive Verb . If this was not a Verb but a Noun the Allah will end in genitive state.
Please first start learning the abc of Arabic before embarking upon consulting Lexicons and Wright.
Again read the Lane Lexicon from the beginning to acquaint yourself as to how he mentions the Chapter/scale. He does not write the complete Imperfect Verb but only shows the vowel on the second radical compared to the Perfect verb mentioned first.
aor. , inf. n.
Fair enough, why did not he give meaning of verb with out ? Usually, this the case.
How about following you did not comment on this.
Lth read ; explaining the meaning to be, Et-T?ghoot having become an object of worship; and saying that , here, is a verb similar to and
Furthermore, how about change of the vowel of the above example verb in current Quranic text from "damma" to "fetha" in the verse cited as an example?
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Fair enough, why did not he give meaning of verb with out ? Usually, this the case.
How about following you did not comment on this.
Lth read ; explaining the meaning to be, Et-T?ghoot having become an object of worship; and saying that , here, is a verb similar to and
Furthermore, how about change of the vowel of the above example verb in current Quranic text from "damma" to "fetha" in the verse cited as an example?
Did this still not make you clear that the Verb is transitive? Even otherwise this is a two-person relational word.
The other quote is incomplete. It is clarified by him " Lth read ; explaining the meaning to be, Et-T?ghoot having become an object of worship; and saying that , here, is a verb similar to and but Az says that in this he has committed a mistake."
They were scholars, therefore, they politely turned down his otherwise baseless assertion. They dont react like me with words like stupidity since I am an ordinary student and reader.
Now please find time to see the Qur'aan which he has quoted and find that the Object of Verb is in accusative, whereas the man who erred placed nominative sign at the end, which signifies the Subject of Verb.
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Furthermore, how about change of the vowel of the above example verb in current Quranic text from "damma" to "fetha" in the verse cited as an example?
I am sure you have a justification for this as well. I guess you will say it was just a mistake not only he was mistaken in vowel of second radicle of first verb, but also in iirab of noun as well.
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I am sure you have a justification for this as well.
I attended it when I requeted you to go the Ayah in Qur'aan. What that gentleman had erroneouly presumed, place that in the Ayah and let me know how you link it with the remaining text. I am repeatedly saying that you have to link each and every word in Arabic to the preceding text to know the accuracy and understand the meanings.
Please do it and let me know.
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? , (O, K,) accord. to some, who read making the former a prefixed noun, as meaning the servants (م of Et-T?ghoot; but it is a n. of the measure , like and , not a pl.; the meaning being the servant (م of Et- T?ghoot; (Akh, S, O and it is also used by poetic license for ; (Fr, T, S, O and and and ; (S, O, K
.Dear Brother nothing personal here. Nothing to gain and nothing against any body. I am in search of truth. I was reading this whole discussion of verb again please see another iirab change again in read. How come so many people were mistaken? Who was right among them? Who decided this issue after prophet was already gone? Is Quran really temper proof like we are lead to believe?
I will work on 560, please note in Lane it is referred as 565. For all those who think verses and suras were decided by prophet on direction of Allah. Here is another example that it is not the case.