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What is the cause for current state of commotion?

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    Just to share this is what our Rabb has to say about the question.

    Dear all, couple of friends has repeatedly asked that I need to give detail linguistic explanation and referencing for translation in order to make an appeal to common people. As without this, why would anyone want to pay attention as compared with what has been accepted as authentic for generations and has been endorsed as such to date?
    Their point is valid. However, my dilemma has been that neither most common people know the language at all, nor do they have time to learn. Additionally, I am not able claim to know it all.

    Furthermore, how much to explain? That it remain comprehensible without getting too academic. Also I have limited time at my disposal although, I wish there were more than 24 hours in a day.

    I am making an attempt at a small verse of a small sura. Please give your input, if you like to. Also remember the learning of a new language is a continuous and ongoing process. If my future learning teaches me something different, I would always be willing to revisit to improve my understanding.

    Al Naas ( Historically People or Mankind or Humanity.)

    Surah 1141

    Reflect and then express in your words that, I seek protection from the state of commotion with my Rabb. (Sustainer, Foster, Maintainer and Accomplisher.)

    ( it?s root is . This root belongs to class of verbs that are called by Arab grammarians as , meaning verbs of mind plus having a as second letter of root puts it in classification of . When this class of verbs are changed into imperative, these lose the ?waw? due , third rule. Now let us put this much knowledge to understand the meaning. Root?s meaning ?he said?. Now please bear in mind it is a verb of mind. Furthermore, no words can be uttered without thinking the words first in the mind. Plus it is in an imperative form. Hence, its meaning as ?Reflect and then express?.)
    (= its root is . It is that its 1st person singular verb of present or future tense. Important thing to keep in mind is that it is a /intransitive verb. In fact it is doubly intransitive. What is or intransitive verb? These are verbs that require one or more objects to convey their meanings. Since meanings of this root implies ?he seek protection?. It should naturally follow that one would seek protection with something/someone against something/someone. This point is important to bear in mind to explain following words in the verse.)
    ( it is combination of a preposition ?? and noun ??, when written together, these form, what is called a . Now the noun ?? is from root
    ? ? meaning ?he is sustainer, maintainer, foster and accomplisher?. Preposition ?? has several meanings depending upon context, but most appropriate here would be ?with?. This would constitute as a first object to explain ?? as subject of the sentence. Now we need another object to explain the meanings completely. As ?I seek protection with sustainer, maintainer, foster and accomplisher? does not explain that what it is against which, I am seeking protection with the ??. Doesn?t it?
    (This brings into question the meanings of next word ??. The word is combination of definite article ?? simply consider it to be equivalent of ?the? in English. This is followed by word ??, it is from root ? ?. Again since it has letter ?Waw? at number 2 in the root, it belongs to . Rule number 1 of the group says that if preceding letter has ?fetha/Zuber? the letter at number 2 will change into an ?alif?, hence ??. The primary meaning of this root is ?state of commotion?. Now if we were to put this meaning, it shall provide two objects needed by subject of the sentence as required by language rules discussed in the beginning, that is ?? ?I seek protection?.

    Surah 1142

    What is for you the state of commotion?

    ( this in traditional translation is considered as one word. It is translated as ?The king or the ruler?. My purpose is not to be exhaustive, but it is incorrect to translate this word into English as ?the King or the ruler? as there is no definite article ?al? before this noun, if it were to be a noun at all. In fact it is not a noun it is even not one word. It is a combination three words. First one is ?? which or interrogative noun, followed by preposition ?? again could have several meanings depending upon context, but here ?for? and finally ?? a personal pronoun meaning ?you?. Next word is explained above).

    Surah 1143

    A deity for worship is the cause for state of commotion.

    (Again is translated as ?The God?, but there is no definite article ?al? again prefixed to it. Hence, its correct translation would be ?a god? or more meaningful ?a deity for worship?. Next word is explained above).

    Surah 1144

    A disposition for state commotion is a basis for a man to become a wrongdoer, unjust, corrupt and wicked. An unprofitable idea and imagination which occurs in mind like a disorder, the cause to recede, remain backwards and lag behind, often and repeatedly.

    ( root is same. It is often considered a preposition. However, it has other meanings as well. Due to context most appropriate here would be ?a disposition for?.
    is a noun from root , meaning ?a man became wrongdoer, unjust, corrupt and wicked?
    is from root , meaning unprofitable idea or imagination of mind like a disorder.
    is from root which means ?to recede back or remain backward or lag behind. In addition it is at the measure/ of adding meaning of repetition to root meaning.

    Surah 1145

    All those who shall fall for this unprofitable idea and imagination which occurs in mind like a disorder, shall be among those returning back to the state of commotion.

    ( is a conjunctive pronoun meaning ?who, which, that?.
    its root is meaning is given above. In addition it a future tense from which added meanings ? himself fall for?.
    from root meaning to ?to return back?
    root and meanings give before.

    Surah 1146

    A manner of acting, like those, bereft of reason, unsound in mind and intellect as well in the state of commotion.

    ( again not as preposition, but appropriate meaning would be ?a manner of acting? due to context.
    combination of definite article ?al? and an adjective from root ? meaning ?bereft of reason, unsound in mind and intellect?
    a connector of words and clauses hence ?as well?
    root and meanings give before.

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      Since I can not edit above a correction in 1st verse based upon discussion and revision of first verse.

      Al Naas ( Historically People or Mankind or Humanity.)

      Surah 1141

      Reflect and then express in your words that, I seek protection from the state of commotion about my Rabb. (Sustainer, Foster, Maintainer and Accomplisher.)

      ( it?s root is . This root belongs to class of verbs that are called by Arab grammarians as , meaning verbs of mind plus having a as second letter of root puts it in classification of . When this class of verbs are changed into imperative, these lose the ?waw? due , third rule. Now let us put this much knowledge to understand the meaning. Root?s meaning ?he said?. Now please bear in mind it is a verb of mind. Furthermore, no words can be uttered without thinking the words first in the mind. Plus it is in an imperative form. Hence, its meaning as ?Reflect and then express?.)
      (= its root is . It is that its 1st person singular verb of present or future tense. Important thing to keep in mind is that it is a /intransitive verb. In fact it is doubly intransitive. What is or intransitive verb? These are verbs that require one or more objects to convey their meanings. Since meanings of this root implies ?he seek protection?. It should naturally follow that one would seek protection with something/someone against something/someone. This point is important to bear in mind to explain following words in the verse.)
      ( it is combination of a preposition ?? and noun ??, when written together, these form, what is called a . Now the noun ?? is from root
      ? ? meaning ?he is sustainer, maintainer, foster and accomplisher?. Preposition ?? has several meanings depending upon context, but most appropriate here would be ?with?. This would constitute as a first object to explain ?? as subject of the sentence. Now we need another object to explain the meanings completely. As ?I seek protection with sustainer, maintainer, foster and accomplisher? does not explain that what it is against which, I am seeking protection with the ??. Doesn?t it?
      (This brings into question the meanings of next word ??. The word is combination of definite article ?? simply consider it to be equivalent of ?the? in English. This is followed by word ??, it is from root ? ?. Again since it has letter ?Waw? at number 2 in the root, it belongs to . Rule number 1 of the group says that if preceding letter has ?fetha/Zuber? the letter at number 2 will change into an ?alif?, hence ??. The primary meaning of this root is ?state of commotion?. Now if we were to put this meaning, it shall provide two objects needed by subject of the sentence as required by language rules discussed in the beginning, that is ?? ?I seek protection?.

      Surah 1142

      What is for you the state of commotion?

      ( this in traditional translation is considered as one word. It is translated as ?The king or the ruler?. My purpose is not to be exhaustive, but it is incorrect to translate this word into English as ?the King or the ruler? as there is no definite article ?al? before this noun, if it were to be a noun at all. In fact it is not a noun it is even not one word. It is a combination three words. First one is ?? which or interrogative noun, followed by preposition ?? again could have several meanings depending upon context, but here ?for? and finally ?? a personal pronoun meaning ?you?. Next word is explained above).

      Surah 1143

      A deity for worship is the cause for state of commotion.

      (Again is translated as ?The God?, but there is no definite article ?al? again prefixed to it. Hence, its correct translation would be ?a god? or more meaningful ?a deity for worship?. Next word is explained above).

      Surah 1144

      A disposition for state commotion is a basis for a man to become a wrongdoer, unjust, corrupt and wicked. An unprofitable idea and imagination which occurs in mind like a disorder, the cause to recede, remain backwards and lag behind, often and repeatedly.

      ( root is same. It is often considered a preposition. However, it has other meanings as well. Due to context most appropriate here would be ?a disposition for?.
      is a noun from root , meaning ?a man became wrongdoer, unjust, corrupt and wicked?
      is from root , meaning unprofitable idea or imagination of mind like a disorder.
      is from root which means ?to recede back or remain backward or lag behind. In addition it is at the measure/ of adding meaning of repetition to root meaning.

      Surah 1145

      All those who shall fall for this unprofitable idea and imagination which occurs in mind like a disorder, shall be among those returning back to the state of commotion.

      ( is a conjunctive pronoun meaning ?who, which, that?.
      its root is meaning is given above. In addition it a future tense from which added meanings ? himself fall for?.
      from root meaning to ?to return back?
      root and meanings give before.

      Surah 1146

      A manner of acting, like those, bereft of reason, unsound in mind and intellect as well in the state of commotion.

      ( again not as preposition, but appropriate meaning would be ?a manner of acting? due to context.
      combination of definite article ?al? and an adjective from root ? meaning ?bereft of reason, unsound in mind and intellect?
      a connector of words and clauses hence ?as well?
      root and meanings give before.

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        wrote on last edited by
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        Just to share this is what our Rabb has to say about the question.

        Dear all, couple of friends have repeatedly asked that I need to give detail linguistic explanation and referencing for translation in order to make an appeal to common people. As without this, why would anyone want to pay attention as compared with what has been accepted as authentic for generations and has been endorsed as such to date?
        Their point is valid. However, my dilemma has been that neither most common people know the language at all, nor do they have time to learn. Additionally, I am not able claim to know it all.

        Furthermore, how much to explain? That it remain comprehensible without getting too academic. Also I have limited time at my disposal although, I wish there were more than 24 hours in a day.

        I am making an attempt at verses of a small Sura. Please give your input, if you like to. Also remember the learning of a new language is a continuous and ongoing process. If my future learning teaches me something different, I would always be willing to revisit to improve my understanding.

        As I said above, it is time to revisit this Sura with some additional understanding.

        Besides, this translation has been on the net for almost 9 months with out any critique or interest.

        This changed understanding has more to do with Syntax than meanings of words. I will add new understanding as well leave older one for sake of comparison.

        Al Naas ( Historically People or Mankind or Humanity.)

        Surah 1141

        Reflect and then express in your words that, I seek protection from the state of commotion with my Rabb. (Sustainer, Foster, Maintainer and Accomplisher.)

        ( it?s root is . This root belongs to class of verbs that are called by Arab grammarians as , meaning verbs of mind plus having a as second letter of root puts it in classification of . When this class of verbs are changed into imperative, these lose the ?waw? due , third rule. Now let us put this much knowledge to understand the meaning. Root?s meaning ?he said?. Now please bear in mind it is a verb of mind. Furthermore, no words can be uttered without thinking the words first in the mind. Plus it is in an imperative form. Hence, its meaning as ?Reflect and then express?.)
        (= its root is . It is that its 1st person singular verb of present or future tense. Important thing to keep in mind is that it is a /intransitive verb. In fact it is doubly intransitive. What is or intransitive verb? These are verbs that require one or more objects to convey their meanings. Since meanings of this root implies ?he seek protection?. It should naturally follow that one would seek protection with something/someone against something/someone. This point is important to bear in mind to explain following words in the verse.)
        ( it is combination of a preposition ?? and noun ??, when written together, these form, what is called a . Now the noun ?? is from root
        ? ? meaning ?he is sustainer, maintainer, foster and accomplisher?. Preposition ?? has several meanings depending upon context, but most appropriate here would be ?with?. This would constitute as a first object to explain ?? as subject of the sentence. Now we need another object to explain the meanings completely. As ?I seek protection with sustainer, maintainer, foster and accomplisher? does not explain that what it is against which, I am seeking protection with the ??. Doesn?t it?
        (This brings into question the meanings of next word ??. The word is combination of definite article ?? simply consider it to be equivalent of ?the? in English. This is followed by word ??, it is from root ? ?. Again since it has letter ?Waw? at number 2 in the root, it belongs to . Rule number 1 of the group says that if preceding letter has ?fetha/Zuber? the letter at number 2 will change into an ?alif?, hence ??. The primary meaning of this root is ?state of commotion?. Now if we were to put this meaning, it shall provide two objects needed by subject of the sentence as required by language rules discussed in the beginning, that is ?? ?I seek protection?.

        Surah 1142

        What is for you the state of commotion?

        ( this in traditional translation is considered as one word. It is translated as ?The king or the ruler?. My purpose is not to be exhaustive, but it is incorrect to translate this word into English as ?the King or the ruler? as there is no definite article ?al? before this noun, if it were to be a noun at all. In fact it is not a noun it is even not one word. It is a combination three words. First one is ?? which or interrogative noun, followed by preposition ?? again could have several meanings depending upon context, but here ?for? and finally ?? a personal pronoun meaning ?you?. Next word is explained above).

        Surah 1142

        There are two issues with the above understanding. First the way I have translated it. It appears to be a sentence in Arabic. However, it is not. It is a compound or Murakab. Furthermore, the word Maliki can not be three words like I thought, it should be. This is due to language rule, which states if preposition ?Lee? is prefixed to second and third person pronouns, it?s ?Kesra? changes into ?Fetha?.

        Therefore, if my above understanding were to be correct then this word should have been ?Malaki? and not ?Maliki?.
        So in this case it is a word from root Miim Lam Kaf at the measure of . The root meaning is ?he posed command or authority?. Now keeping these two points in mind, let us try to translate above verse.

        The authoritative force that causes the state of commotion.

        Surah 1143

        A deity for worship is the cause for state of commotion.

        (Again is translated as ?The God?, but there is no definite article ?al? again prefixed to it. Hence, its correct translation would be ?a god? or more meaningful ?a deity for worship?. Next word is explained above).

        Surah 1143

        Similarly, this verse is also a compound and not a sentence. Hence should not be translated as a sentence. Which is what I did above, therefore, let me correct it.

        The concept of a deity for worship causes the state of commotion.

        Surah 1144

        A disposition for state commotion is a basis for a man to become a wrongdoer, unjust, corrupt and wicked. An unprofitable idea and imagination which occurs in mind like a disorder, the cause to recede, remain backwards and lag behind, often and repeatedly.

        ( root is same. It is often considered a preposition. However, it has other meanings as well. Due to context most appropriate here would be ?a disposition for?.
        is a noun from root , meaning ?a man became wrongdoer, unjust, corrupt and wicked?
        is from root , meaning unprofitable idea or imagination of mind like a disorder.
        is from root which means ?to recede back or remain backward or lag behind. In addition it is at the measure/ of adding meaning of repetition to root meaning.

        Surah 1145

        All those who shall fall for this unprofitable idea and imagination which occurs in mind like a disorder, shall be among those returning back to the state of commotion.

        ( is a conjunctive pronoun meaning ?who, which, that?.
        its root is meaning is given above. In addition it a future tense from which added meanings ? himself fall for?.
        from root meaning to ?to return back?
        root and meanings give before.

        Surah 1146

        A manner of acting, like those, bereft of reason, unsound in mind and intellect as well in the state of commotion.

        ( again not as preposition, but appropriate meaning would be ?a manner of acting? due to context.
        combination of definite article ?al? and an adjective from root ? meaning ?bereft of reason, unsound in mind and intellect?
        a connector of words and clauses hence ?as well?
        root and meanings give before.

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