Check out this poem about WOMEN
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Shalom Aleikhem,
I came across this poem, apart from 2 lines I guess, I object to almost every single line. I found it in the facebook page titled "Young Muslims".
http//www.facebook.com/pages/Young-Muslims/139774652760475
THE BEAUTY OF A WOMAN
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER SILENCE rather than her speech
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER HIJAB rather than displaying her open hair
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER SUBMISSION rather that her leadership
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER SMILE rather than her laughter
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER PATIENCE rather than her inquisitiveness
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER ABODE rather than her adventure
The beauty of a woman lies IN UPBRINGING HER OFFSPRING rather than herself
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER EXPERIENCE rather than her age
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER HEART DEPTH rather than in skin deep
The beauty of a woman lies in her PERSPIRATION rather than her perfumes
The beauty of a woman lies in PLEASING her LORD because He is the creator of such a beautiful thing called ?Woman?...!!!To share with you guys my problem, I devised a distortion. I have this idea that oppressing the women is beautiful in their eyes. I am removing the sentences I thought was ok. Then, let us replace the words "a women" with "the oppressed". Here it is
THE BEAUTY OF A WOMAN
The beauty of the oppressed lies IN HER SILENCE rather than her speech
The beauty of the oppressed lies IN HER HIJAB rather than displaying her open hair
The beauty of the oppressed lies IN HER SUBMISSION rather that her leadership
The beauty of the oppressed lies IN HER SMILE rather than her laughter
The beauty of the oppressed lies IN HER PATIENCE rather than her inquisitiveness
The beauty of the oppressed lies IN HER ABODE rather than her adventure
The beauty of the oppressed lies IN UPBRINGING HER OFFSPRING rather than herself
The beauty of the oppressed lies IN HER HEART DEPTH rather than in skin deep
The beauty of the oppressed lies in her PERSPIRATION rather than her perfumesI don't know, may be I have taken it toooooo far. But I would like to know your views (on the original one). Would you agree if I say that the poetry mostly glorifies oppression ? Would you agree that for a women the poem is mostly suggesting that there is virtue in giving up all rights including the God given ones ?
Peace
----------- Student of Allah -
Sunnis.
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I wonder What would the reaction of that hadither facebook page be if someone posted the opposite ?
THE BEAUTY OF A MAN
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS SILENCE rather than his speech
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS HIJAB rather than displaying his open hair
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS SUBMISSION rather that his leadership
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS SMILE rather than his laughter
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS PATIENCE rather than his inquisitiveness
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS ABODE rather than his adventure
The beauty of a man lies IN UPBRINGING HIS OFFSPRING rather than himself
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS EXPERIENCE rather than his age
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS HEART DEPTH rather than in skin deep
The beauty of a man lies in his PERSPIRATION rather than his perfumes
The beauty of a man lies in PLEASING his LORD because He is the creator of such a beautiful thing called ?Man?...!!! -
I prefer this. The translation is not great, but I don't have the time to translate it myself. The original Urdu version, however, for those who know Urdu, is beautiful. To my dismay, I still to this day have only ever been able to find a transliteration. It is included at the bottom as part of my post.
Woman
Kaifi Azmi
Get up, my love, you have to walk with me
Today
sparks of war waver in the air
time and life have the same spirit
delicate decanters hiss with the heat of rocks
beauty and love harmonise melodiously
You too have to be ignited by the fire that burns meGet up, my love, you have to walk with me
Life is in struggle, not in the restraint of patience
The blood of pulsating life is not in trembling tears
Fragrance lies in free-flight, not in the tresses, of hair
There is another Paradise which is not by the side of men
On its free pathways too you have yet to pirouetteGet up, my love, you have to walk with me
For you
burning pyres wait at every corner
death disguised as duty
your every delicate gesture, a curse
nothing but poison in the breeze
Change the season if you wish to flourishGet up, my love, you have to walk with me
History has not known your worth thus far
You have burning embers too, not merely tears
You're reality too, not a mere amusing anecdote
Your personality is something too, not just your youth
You've to change the title of your historyGet up, my love, you have to walk with me
Emerge out of
ancient bondage, break the idols of tradition,
the weakness of pleasure, this mirage of fragility
these self-drawn boundaries of imagined greatness
the bondage of love, for this too is a bondage
Not merely the thorns on the path but you have to trample on flowers tooGet up, my love, you have to walk with me
Shatter
these resolve breaking suspicions of sermons
these vows that have become shackles
this too, this necklace of emeralds
these standards set by the wise men
You have to turn into a tempest, bubble and boil overGet up, my love, you have to walk with me
You are Aristotle's philosophy, Venus, Pleiades
You control the sky, the earth at your feet
Yes, raise, fast, raise your forehead from the feet of fate
I too am not going to pause, nor will the time
How long would you falter, you have to be firmGet up, my love, you have to walk with me
Aurat
Kaifi Azmi
uTh merii jaan mere saath hii chalnaa hai tujhe
qalb-e-mahoul meiN larzaaN sharar-e-jang haiN aaj
hausley waqt ke aur ziist ke yakrang haiN aaj
aabgiinoN meiN tapaaN walwale-e- sang haiN aaj
husn aur ishq ham aawaaz-o-humaahang haiN aaj
jis meiN jaltaa huuN usi aag meiN jalnaa hai tujheuTh merii jaan mere saath hii chalnaa hai tujhe
zindagii jehad meiN hai sabr ke qaabuu meiN nahiiN
nabz-e-hastii kaa lahuu kaamptii aaNsuu meiN nahii
uRne khulne meiN hai nakhat kham-e-gesu meiN nahiiN
jannat aik aur hai jo mard ke pahluu meiN nahiiN
uskii aazaad ravish par bhii machalnaa hai tujheuTh merii jaan mere saath hii chalnaa hai tujhe
goshey goshey meiN sulagtii hai chitaa tere liye
farz kaa bhes badaltii hai qazaa tere liye
qahar hai terii har narm adaa tere liye
zahar hii zahar hai duniyaa kii havaa tere liye
rut badal Daal agar phuulnaa phalnaa hai tujheuTh merii jaan mere saath hii chalnaa hai tujhe
qadr ab tak terii tarriikh ne jaanii hii nahiiN
tujh meiN shole bhii haiN bas ashkfishaanii hii nahiiN
tu haqiiqat bhii hai dilchasp kahaanii hii nahiiN
terii hastii bhii hai ik chiiz javaanii hii nahiiN
apnii tarrikh kaa unvaan badalnaa hai tujheuTh merii jaan mere saath hii chalnaa hai tujhe
toRkar rasm ke but baRe qadamat se nikal
zof-e-ishrat se nikal, vaham-e-nazaakat se nikal
nafs ke khiiNche hue halq-e-azmal se nikal
yeh bhii ek qaid hii hai, qaid-e-muhabbat se nikal
raah kaa khaar hii kyaa gul bhii kuchalnaa hai tujheuTh merii jaan mere saath hii chalnaa hai tujhe
toR yeh azm-shikan dagdag-e-paNd bhii toR
terii khaatir hai jo zanjiir vah saugandh bhii toR
tauq yeh bhii zammruud kaa gulband bhii toR
toR paimana-e-mardaan-e-khirdmaNd bhii toR
banke tuufaan chhalaknaa hai ubalnaa hai tujheuTh merii jaan mere saath hii chalnaa hai tujhe
tuu falaatuno-arastuu haii tuu zohraa parviiN
tere qabze meiN hai garduuN, terii Thokar meiN zamiiN
haaN, uThaa, jald uThaa paae-muqqadar se jabiiN
maiN bhii rukne kaa nahii waqt bhii rukne kaa nahiiNlaRkhaRaayegii kahaaN tak ki sambhalnaa hai tujhe
uTh merii jaan mere saath hii chalnaa hai tujhe
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Mind bleach for the first "poem."
My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun (Sonnet 130)
by William ShakespeareMy mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun;
Coral is far more red than her lips' red;
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head.
I have seen roses damasked, red and white,
But no such roses see I in her cheeks;
And in some perfumes is there more delight
Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks.
I love to hear her speak, yet well I know
That music hath a far more pleasing sound;
I grant I never saw a goddess go;
My mistress when she walks treads on the ground.
And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare
As any she belied with false compare.The song "Habibi" by Amr Diab is easy to enjoy (link http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3Jxx6dbJo&feature=related). This is the club mix version, btw.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Salam Student of Allah,
I would suggest to replace "the beauty" with "the agony"
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER SILENCE rather than her speech
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER HIJAB rather than displaying her open hair
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER SUBMISSION rather that her leadership
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER SMILE rather than her laughter
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER PATIENCE rather than her inquisitiveness
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER ABODE rather than her adventurePeace,
Johan -
Shalom Aleikhem everyone,
Thanks for your thoughts.
I wonder What would the reaction of that hadither facebook page be if someone posted the opposite ?
THE BEAUTY OF A MAN
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS SILENCE rather than his speech
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS HIJAB rather than displaying his open hair
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS SUBMISSION rather that his leadership
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS SMILE rather than his laughter
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS PATIENCE rather than his inquisitiveness
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS ABODE rather than his adventure
The beauty of a man lies IN UPBRINGING HIS OFFSPRING rather than himself
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS EXPERIENCE rather than his age
The beauty of a man lies IN HIS HEART DEPTH rather than in skin deep
The beauty of a man lies in his PERSPIRATION rather than his perfumes
The beauty of a man lies in PLEASING his LORD because He is the creator of such a beautiful thing called ?Man?...!!!Mullah How dare you ? Shut up shaitan, you are created from the bone of a man, so you will have to be the one that shuts up and follows order of the man.
Salam Student of Allah,
I would suggest to replace "the beauty" with "the agony"
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER SILENCE rather than her speech
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER HIJAB rather than displaying her open hair
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER SUBMISSION rather that her leadership
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER SMILE rather than her laughter
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER PATIENCE rather than her inquisitiveness
The agony of the oppressed lies IN HER ABODE rather than her adventurePeace,
Johanlol, ya, you could do that. However, I did not remove "the beauty" because I wanted to show that in their head, they model oppression of women as something beautiful. They are trying to make it look virtuous when a person is oppressed.
Peace be on you all
----------------------- Student of Allah
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Salam Student of Allah
I don't know, may be I have taken it toooooo far. But I would like to know your views (on the original one). Would you agree if I say that the poetry mostly glorifies oppression ? Would you agree that for a women the poem is mostly suggesting that there is virtue in giving up all rights including the God given ones ?
Yes it is right completly. it 's glorifies oppression- i lived 8 year in this way and i lost completly my personality, i was a ghost of earth not ever a women... it's so very bad and so common -just for cry -X
keep your poem in the FB and then look what they will say! Yours is much better!
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Salam Student of AllahYes it is right completly. it 's glorifies oppression- i lived 8 year in this way and i lost completly my personality, i was a ghost of earth not ever a women... it's so very bad and so common -just for cry -X
keep your poem in the FB and then look what they will say! Yours is much better!
peaceShalom Aleikhem mirjamnur,
The thing is, I already got banned from alot of websites and pages and groups on facebook. About this "Young Muslims" page, well, I often post my new blog posts on their page, nobody opposed to that as of yet. I think people just look at the post and think "oh..an Islamic post". Thats it !! However, the day they realize that those posts aren't their average Islamic posts teaching them the 17 sunnahs of clipping your nails....something will happen and I hope I dont get banned
Peace
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I don't know, may be I have taken it toooooo far. But I would like to know your views (on the original one). Would you agree if I say that the poetry mostly glorifies oppression ? Would you agree that for a women the poem is mostly suggesting that there is virtue in giving up all rights including the God given ones ?
Peace
----------- Student of AllahSalam Alaykum http//www.stormfront.org/forum/images/smilies/beerchug.gif
Eh, I don't know. A woman can voluntarily adopt all those qualities. I personally like them silent rotfl
But in all seriousness, it depends on whether or not they're advocating forcibly making women submissive.
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Salam Alaykum http//www.stormfront.org/forum/images/smilies/beerchug.gif
Eh, I don't know. A woman can voluntarily adopt all those qualities. I personally like them silent rotfl
But in all seriousness, it depends on whether or not they're advocating forcibly making women submissive.
Shalom Aleikhem,
Well that wasnt my point.
You can voluntarily isolate yourself in a room and cut all access to all information. You can stop reading journals/books/papers/etc. I do not have any problem with that. However, I was asking about people that goes around and promotes such behaviors by trying to make it look "virtuous". I mean, if my kid wants to keep quiet, I can't force my kid to not keep quiet. However, I can not teach my kid that it is righteous to shut up when the other person is bullsh*tting and you can definitely refute them with reason in a good manner!!
Thank you for taking the time to share your view.
Peace
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Eh it depends what it means by these things, sometimes these sort of "poetic" posts are metaphorical mumbo jumbo which don't even have well established meanings.
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Eh it depends what it means by these things, sometimes these sort of "poetic" posts are metaphorical mumbo jumbo which don't even have well established meanings.
I don't know, but someone's got to defend the Hadithers, right?
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I'm sorry but WTF?!?!?!
It's things like this that drive me crazy, like today I was just trying to get some information about fasting and then I came across the line that says what one should avoid while fasting for Ramadan and it said "avoid advocating of unislamic practices such as democracy and socialism".
Complete and utter garbage. SMH, when I constantly read and come across things like this it is really hard on my faith honestly because it would just feel like it would be easier to go back and pretend I never even found Quran and God in the first place.
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I'm sorry but WTF?!?!?!
It's things like this that drive me crazy, like today I was just trying to get some information about fasting and then I came across the line that says what one should avoid while fasting for Ramadan and it said "avoid advocating of unislamic practices such as democracy and socialism".
Complete and utter garbage. SMH, when I constantly read and come across things like this it is really hard on my faith honestly because it would just feel like it would be easier to go back and pretend I never even found Quran and God in the first place.
Socialism and democracy are unislamic. That's a revelation in itself!
At the end of the day, there are an umpteen number of Muslims on the planet as there are other folks belonging to other groups. Just because some numpty claims something absurd, that doesnt mean they speak on behalf of an entire entity and nor should it put you off. Sometimes, you just have to acknowledge idiocy and walk straight on by. It is for you to determine what you believe and what you don't believe. If you feel there might be substance in something that someone is claiming, then do your research, ask Allah for guidance, follow what seems right in your heart. If you're okay with the flow, then great. Conversely, if it turns out you're not "feeling" it, then as the verse goes "no compulsion..". All the best to you. May Allah guide us all. Salaam.
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Just saw this post, here are some thoughts
I def don?t think its glorifying oppression... See it?s all about perceptions.
Talking about rubbish is useless, idle talk is a waste of time, talking of what you don?t know can lead to alot of crap so sometimes silence is better than speech.
Hijab is an interpretation of modesty, each to their own. Having open hair or not however wont make you immodest.
We?re all submitters to God?
You ever hear people excessively laugh? Smiling is more charming (in my bias opinion)
I don?t get how they got inquisitiveness as a form of negative. There is a famous hadith i really like ?knowledge is a treasure and questions are its key? how can one expand if they do not ask and enquire, inquisition is good
It?s hard to be selfless sometimes
that poem could equally be applied to men actually i could add a whole lot more to it haha
peace