Surah : 106 - Quraish
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Mazhar, of all the participants on this forum probably you are most capable of understanding what I am presenting. However, I have been trying to understand the reasons why you can't? I think if you can leave your held beliefs and current understanding of Quran aside. Start to look at the text totally anew and just try to understand it based upon only rules of the language. You should be able to see, what I am seeing out of the text of Quran. Which can be a very hard task to accomplish most of the times.
However, I wish you would just try it for once. I also believe that you could be tremendous resource in helping to further the real translation and understanding of Quran, if this is your real objective. We can put our collective energies together towards this high objective. Take care.
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Mazhar, of all the participants on this forum probably you are most capable of understanding what I am presenting. However, I have been trying to understand the reasons why you can't? I think if you can leave your held beliefs and current understanding of Quran aside. Start to look at the text totally anew and just try to understand it based upon only rules of the language. You should be able to see, what I am seeing out of the text of Quran. Which can be a very hard task to accomplish most of the times.
However, I wish you would just try it for once. I also believe that you could be tremendous resource in helping to further the real translation and understanding of Quran, if this is your real objective. We can put our collective energies together towards this high objective. Take care.
I do not hold any beliefs while reading any book, Qur'aan is no exception.
I read the book purely and strictly according to academic rules. Mostly people do not recall the basic and fundamental rules of reading and interpreting a book.
I just asked you simple but important academic point; word and term, what is the difference. For a word you can go to a dictionary but for term you have to ask the book where it is used, since term is only in communication.
If you can recall the famous quote of Francis Bacon, then you will find it relevant how to study and interpret a book.
Digestion relates to semantic frame "Ingestion"
An Ingestor consumes food or drink (Ingestibles), which entails putting the Ingestibles in the mouth for delivery to the digestive system. This may include the use of an Instrument.
The process of digestion involves mechanically breaking down the ingestible into small pieces and then by chemical process converting it into liquid form.What ingestibles are permissible are described by the words stemming from Root . Its primary signification is to open, unlock, unwrap a thing, it denotes to disassemble, unfasten, untie the knot. It is used to dissolve and liquefy some frozen or solid thing. And it may be noted that the best part of the food is that which is liquefied and becomes absorbed into the blood, a liquid.
The process is no different when the "ingestible" is the Book. The book can be "digested" only when its text (like digestible) is broken into small pieces and then liquefied by untying the knots of morphology and syntax. And the last step to absorb for making it part and Sustainer of life is to further break each molecule - word into its semantic components the irreducible features of a word.
The process of communication is accomplished at Reader's level when he comprehends and perceives the thought the Author intended to convey him. The purpose of the Divine Author is to communicate knowledge which is but guidance and vitality an external source for sustaining life
Another analogy of translation and interpretation
Matter has three forms; solid, liquid and gaseous form. The text can be equated to "solid", and the thought embedded - condensed in it has the analogy with gas. Untying the knots - bonds of solid liquefies it and liquid can be turned into gaseous form by further breaking the ties.
Another analogy of translating and interpreting a foreign language text strictly according to academic rules and principles is the translation process of protein encoding genes in human genome. The genes are like sentences and its codons are like grammatical units of the sentence.
Segmenting the text into grammatical units is the first step for comprehending and understanding Grand Qur?n. It is like chewing, breaking the ingestible; like untying the knots of solid to make it in liquid form, and like identifying codons in the protein encoding gene which yields protein, a life sustaining object.
If you are interested We can study and discuss each "Frame" of Qur'aan (total 908 Frames) by following academic rules with minimum difficulty and possibilities of errors in understanding.
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no, because you do not understrand the term community, common unity has no division, in dichotomy is hierarchy which is division into ranks, these two are mutually exclusive, you cannot have hierarchy in community and likewise you cannot have community in hierarchy
You tried to say something in a philosophical style but could not express yourself. The key words in your long sentence do not collocate in this way. Community is a concept relating to common background, common history, people in area. Dichotomy and hierarchy are different concepts not sharing something.
Always try to write short sentences, it will help you retain grip on thought.
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It will continue to appear gibberish as long approached with per-concieved notions.
It may be gibberish without pre-conceived notions. I already issued you a challenge to test this, see here
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608632.msg389980#msg389980
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609973.msg412157#msg412157The fact that you think it can only appear gibberish to someone with pre-conceived notions suggests you are deluded.
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It may be gibberish without pre-conceived notions. I already issued you a challenge to test this, see here
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608632.msg389980#msg389980
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609973.msg412157#msg412157The fact that you think it can only appear gibberish to someone with pre-conceived notions suggests you are deluded.
Gibberish has no relationship with pre-conceived notions or beliefs. It simply means spoken or written language perceived as unintelligible or devoid of sense.
I tried to explain to him
Quote from bkanwar2 on May 14, 2018, 011800 PM
no, because you do not understrand the term community, common unity has no division, in dichotomy is hierarchy which is division into ranks, these two are mutually exclusive, you cannot have hierarchy in community and likewise you cannot have community in hierarchyMazhar
You tried to say something in a philosophical style but could not express yourself. The key words in your long sentence do not collocate in this way. Community is a concept relating to common background, common history, people in area. Dichotomy and hierarchy are different concepts not sharing something.Always try to write short sentence, it will help you retain grip on thought.
