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Undeniable proof for the existence of God.

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    Roshan
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    The story of pharoah demonstrates Moses showing DIRECT proof of God.

    Peace

    Exactly my point. Who else has been shown DIRECT proof of God?

    Roshan

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      Noon_waalqalami
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      Peace Noonwalqualami.

      The proof is there. All the Qoran initials fit the " code 19". You need to refute/ counter if you disagree.

      Peace good logic,

      What exactly is it you want me to refute/counter or disagree? I asked a simple question; show code? E.g. letter h? (gv=5)
      215 not multiple chapter title included
      214 not multiple chapter title excluded
      Even if multiple, what is the big deal and makes those letters appear in verse 2O1 or not reversed or some other letters?

      201

      Or are you talking not about code rather numerology which can be found in any text like what you posted?

      Peace Noonwalqualami. (19 letters!)

      The proof is there. All the Qoran initials fit the " code 19". You need to refute/ counter if you disagree. (19 words + 19!)

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        good_logic
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        Peace Noonwalqualami.

        What has_ gv- got to do with" code 19". I never once mentioned -gv_ counts.

        Have you misunderstood me? I simply said each initial is in multiples of 19 in their relevant chapters. There is a table that has the counts.

        Are you saying this is not the case? Then show me .

        Peace.

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          Noon_waalqalami
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          What has_ gv- got to do with" code 19". I never once mentioned -gv_ counts.

          Have you misunderstood me? I simply said each initial is in multiples of 19 in their relevant chapters. There is a table that has the counts.

          Are you saying this is not the case? Then show me .

          Peace good logic,

          That is not the case; why do I have to repeat myself and already showed you specifically chapter 20 simply count #of h??
          Text http//tanzil.net/download/ search for and
          251 not multiple chapter title included
          250 not multiple chapter title excluded

          Even if multiple, what is the big deal and makes those letters appear in verse 2O1 or not reversed or some other letters?

          201

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            good_logic
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            Peace Noonwalqualami.

            Either you do not understand " code 19" or I need to clarify what I mean by the divisibility. If there are repeated initials then you count them in their relevant chapters, add together then see if they are divisible by 19. This is consistent with all the initials.
            Example

            Occurence of the Quranic Initials "H.," "T.H.," "T.S. ", and "T.S.M." in Their Suras

            Sura Frequency of
            "H" "T" "S" "M"
            19 175 - - -
            20 251 28 - -
            26 - 33 94 484
            27 - 27 94 -
            28 - 19 102 460
            426 107 290 944
            426+107+290+944 = 1767 = (19x93)
            Now double check?

            Peace.

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              good_logic
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              Peace Noonwalqualami.
              Let me make the example clear

              In chapter 19 and chapter 20 There are 175 and 251 "H" Total= 426

              In chapter 20 and 26 and 27 and 28 There are 28, 33, 27 and 19 "T"respectively Total=107

              In chapter 26 and 27 and 28 There are 94 ,94 and 102 "S" respectively Total= 290

              In chapter 26 and 28 there are 484 and 460 "M" Total=944

              426+ 107+290+944 = 1767 ( 19 x 93).

              Peace

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                IAMOP
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                Peace

                Exactly my point. Who else has been shown DIRECT proof of God?

                Roshan

                What do you mean by direct proof? If you mean experiences along the vein of "Hey I am God, I created you, just letting you know" then many, many, many people including myself. But you have to seek such a proof yourself which itself requires trust, faith or simply a strong desire to believe in the inherent goodness & purpose of the reality presented before your eyes and therefore find the proof of that belief.

                God has stopped sending signs to entire nations together at once but remember the reasoning? It is purely because they rejected anyway so to send one sign to an entire party is overall futile. If you look for God, you WILL find because God has never stopped sending signs to individuals themselves. The difference between then and now is that before signs were pushed to the people, now one must actively look for them.

                Another way to look at it

                God does not exist => ALL proofs of God are deception
                God does exist => Look anywhere and everything is a proof, 'direct' proof as defined above is a subset of this

                In the latter case if you disbelieve in God your logic is faulty or your knowledge is incomplete. Vice versa in the first case. Faith is a placeholder for knowledge, blind faith in God isn't really sincere at all.

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                  Noon_waalqalami
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                  Peace good logic,

                  Let me make the example clear

                  In chapter 19 and chapter 20 There are 175 and 251 "H" Total= 426

                  In chapter 20 and 26 and 27 and 28 There are 28, 33, 27 and 19 "T"respectively Total=107

                  In chapter 26 and 27 and 28 There are 94 ,94 and 102 "S" respectively Total= 290

                  In chapter 26 and 28 there are 484 and 460 "M" Total=944

                  426+ 107+290+944 = 1767 ( 19 x 93).

                  Yes it's absolutely clear the initial only appears in ch 19 & 20 total = 426 is not multiple!

                  Therefore "fix" is to clump it together with other initials to get a multiple play on the ignorant.

                  Likewise they include chapter titles while for other counts exclude since counts do not add up!

                  Lastly these are multiples nothing else. There is no resemblance of code anything whatsoever.

                  What do you mean by direct proof?

                  http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=6&verse=8

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                    good_logic
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                    Peace Noonwalqualami.

                    Obviously you do not see it. You are stating your opinion, and Where "code 19" fits it is either coincidence or fix.

                    I could go over the table of all the initials with you, but I get the feeling you have seen it before and dismissed it.

                    Do you believe the Qoran is from your Creator? If you do ,then keep studying it ( All of it , not partially!).

                    May the Lord guide us to HIS truth.
                    Peace.

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