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Most difficult question - What means BismiAllah ???

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    mmkhan
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    Salaam all,

    Can someone please help me with their feedback on what exactly BismiAllah or mean?

    I know this very difficult question, but atleast someone may know what it means.

    May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
    mmKhan

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      unknownuser
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      I have a feeling that saying that it means 'In the name of God' is not the answer you are looking for?

      Do you mean what it means to our spirituality or?

      Edit LOL...I just tried wikipediaing it...I can see why you would say it is a difficult question.

      My God...so many things I took for granted in my language and my traditions...there are so many VERY different things going on out there.... S. They also make me feel insane about my native language.

      I always thought saying bism is again the same problem that people are having with Allah, it is a contraction of
      b
      Ism Name

      In or with or by is the b, depending on the sentence
      by-the-pen

      I could say

      belqalam -contracted
      or
      be-AL-Qalam -non contracted
      both of them have THE pen element in them, but the first one contracted the A sound.

      And Allah is Al-Ilah contracted, and I read some articles say not it is not, cause arabs use al-ilah..no on our daily basis we do not at all, it is very awkward for someone to say Al-Ilah, unless he is being really explanatory..., but then the meaning of both would be the same to me and God knows best.

      Arabic grammar is difficult, and I can't say if this is grammatically "SACRED" or not...but contractions do exist, I don't think consciously think of them when I speak, and I didn't know others claim there is no contractions in the grammatically correct Arabic language. I really doubt it we love linking letters and words, MUCH more than European languages, so I don't see where is that claim coming from?

      But I do know that the contracted option is what arab people use for the most part unless they are being very explanatory.

      As I used the example before it is like saying
      Have some chocolate?
      I don't like chocolate -contracted
      Have some chocolate?
      I said I do NOT like chocolate. -non contracted explanatory

      The idea of criticizing the kind of arabic used in the Qur'an is beyond me, it is a language, to me it is a means to an end, if you can understand what I tell you with making monkey sounds than that is that. So being anal about grammar is really bizzare to me, isn't the meaning that is understood is what counts S. (This is directed at those strange articles out there about arabs claiming they have contractions...but they do not...even though he is not an arab himself what the heck).

      The Qur'an does state it is arabic, but I sometimes think that maybe the arabic language was chosen because of the nature of the language, and how it will last, and not be twisted...but then again I am not sure why is the Qur'an in arabic...as arabic is a difficult language...and seeing those weird language arguments makes me feel, how was the Qur'an supposed to be a universal message?.

      That is a problem with for example Dr.Rashad's claim, he stressed prayers have to be spoken in arabic, I am an arab and I find that (AT THE MOMENT, i am still looking) unfair....I get to say things as I understand it while others have to say things they do not understand? And mind you some words, are so uncommonly used, that I need to look at a arabic-arabic dictionary my self, to make sure.

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        Kaiokenred
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        I have a feeling that saying that it means 'In the name of God' is not the answer you are looking for?

        Do you mean what it means to our spirituality or?

        Edit LOL...I just tried wikipediaing it...I can see why you would say it is a difficult question.

        My God...so many things I took for granted in my language and my traditions...there are so many VERY different things going on out there.... S. They also make me feel insane about my native language.

        I always thought saying bism is again the same problem that people are having with Allah, it is a contraction of
        b
        Ism Name

        In or with or by is the b, depending on the sentence
        by-the-pen

        I could say

        belqalam -contracted
        or
        be-AL-Qalam -non contracted
        both of them have THE pen element in them, but the first one contracted the A sound.

        And Allah is Al-Ilah contracted, and I read some articles say not it is not, cause arabs use al-ilah..no on our daily basis we do not at all, it is very awkward for someone to say Al-Ilah, unless he is being really explanatory..., but then the meaning of both would be the same to me and God knows best.

        Arabic grammar is difficult, and I can't say if this is grammatically "SACRED" or not...but contractions do exist, I don't think consciously think of them when I speak, and I didn't know others claim there is no contractions in the grammatically correct Arabic language. I really doubt it we love linking letters and words, MUCH more than European languages, so I don't see where is that claim coming from?

        But I do know that the contracted option is what arab people use for the most part unless they are being very explanatory.

        As I used the example before it is like saying
        Have some chocolate?
        I don't like chocolate -contracted
        Have some chocolate?
        I said I do NOT like chocolate. -non contracted explanatory

        The idea of criticizing the kind of arabic used in the Qur'an is beyond me, it is a language, to me it is a means to an end, if you can understand what I tell you with making monkey sounds than that is that. So being anal about grammar is really bizzare to me, isn't the meaning that is understood is what counts S. (This is directed at those strange articles out there about arabs claiming they have contractions...but they do not...even though he is not an arab himself what the heck).

        The Qur'an does state it is arabic, but I sometimes think that maybe the arabic language was chosen because of the nature of the language, and how it will last, and not be twisted...but then again I am not sure why is the Qur'an in arabic...as arabic is a difficult language...and seeing those weird language arguments makes me feel, how was the Qur'an supposed to be a universal message?.

        That is a problem with for example Dr.Rashad's claim, he stressed prayers have to be spoken in arabic, I am an arab and I find that (AT THE MOMENT, i am still looking) unfair....I get to say things as I understand it while others have to say things they do not understand? And mind you some words, are so uncommonly used, that I need to look at a arabic-arabic dictionary my self, to make sure.

        If you did something really great now and it was written in english Nevashiva did something really great and 1500 years later great meant terrible, would it be the same meaning?

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          unknownuser
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          If you did something really great now and it was written in english Nevashiva did something really great and 1500 years later great meant terrible, would it be the same meaning?

          Good point !! LOL

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            mmkhan
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            The Qur'an does state it is arabic, but I sometimes think that maybe the arabic language was chosen because of the nature of the language, and how it will last, and not be twisted...but then again I am not sure why is the Qur'an in arabic...as arabic is a difficult language...and seeing those weird language arguments makes me feel, how was the Qur'an supposed to be a universal message?.

            That is a problem with for example Dr.Rashad's claim, he stressed prayers have to be spoken in arabic, I am an arab and I find that (AT THE MOMENT, i am still looking) unfair....I get to say things as I understand it while others have to say things they do not understand? And mind you some words, are so uncommonly used, that I need to look at a arabic-arabic dictionary my self, to make sure.

            Salaam NevaShiva,

            Wow wow wow!!! You made me a global trip.

            I simply asked a question. Yes you are correct bro when you said I am not looking for "In the name of God". I don't know what you found in wiki, if you like please share the link what you found.

            I strongly believe that beside Arabic language AlQuraan also based on patterns, styles and designs that make others easy to understand it. This is how it is a universal message.

            Back to question, there is no mentioned of "ISM" in BismiAllah. You can see all other instances having alif when it talks about ism. For example, please check 6118,119,121, 2228,34,36,40 2436, 616. There are many more examples then why alif is missing in BismiAllah?

            My Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
            mmKhan

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